Jesus was not a Jew?

[Matthias]

Mary, his mother was Jewish, but God was His true Father. His earthly father was Joseph, and he was Jewish. I am not sure how anyone can argue about this if they believe the Bible.

That’s why I started this thread - so we can learn how (and why) those who assert belief in the Bible - which @GEN2REV and some other members of the Board sincerely do - make the argument. (There may also be some non-Christian members of the Board who believe that Jesus wasn’t a Jew. They are welcome to contribute too.)

Are you willing to listen to their argument? Are you open to the possibility of changing your mind?

 

[Instant]

That’s why I started this thread - so we can learn how (and why) those who assert belief in the Bible - which @GEN2REV and some other members of the Board sincerely do - make the argument. (Their may also be some non-Christian members of the Board who also believe that Jesus wasn’t a Jew.)

Are you willing to listen to their argument? Are you open to the possibility of changing your mind?

It depends. I am a believer that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. If your arguments are from the Bible, I will consider what you have to say, but if it goes contrary to scripture, there is no possibility I will change my mind. If you are going to make extra-Biblical arguments to defend that position, I will not bother arguing with you because it will not get either of us anywhere.

 

[Matthias]

It depends. I am a believer that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. If your arguments are from the Bible, I will consider what you have to say, but if it goes contrary to scripture, there is no possibility I will change my mind. If you are going to make extra-Biblical arguments to defend that position, I will not bother arguing with you because it will not get either of us anywhere.

It’s my understanding from speaking with @GEN2REV that his arguments will be from the Bible. I don’t get the impression from him that he will be using many, if any, extra-biblical sources to make his case.

I don’t have any insight on what others who share his point of view will do to present the case for our consideration. I don’t even know if others sharing his view will participate in this thread. It is my hope that they will.

 

[Instant]

It’s my understanding from speaking with @GEN2REV that his arguments will be from the Bible. I don’t get the impression from him that he will be using many, if any, extra-biblical sources to make his case.

I don’t have any insight on what others who share his point of view will do to present the case for our consideration. I don’t even know if others sharing his view will participate in this thread. It is my hope that they will.

If his arguments are from the Bible, I will consider them.

 

[ButterflyJones]

John 4:22You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.

 

[RLT63]

That’s why I started this thread - so we can learn how (and why) those who assert belief in the Bible - which @GEN2REV and some other members of the Board sincerely do - make the argument. (There may also be some non-Christian members of the Board who believe that Jesus wasn’t a Jew. They are welcome to contribute too.)

Are you willing to listen to their argument? Are you open to the possibility of changing your mind?

I would be really surprised if there was evidence that made me change my mind

 

[Matthias]

I would be really surprised if there was evidence that made me change my mind

Same. Would you be really surprised if he and those who share his understanding change their minds after the dust settles?

 

[MatthewG]

You dont get into heaven just cause of knowing where Jesus Christ lived, or based on his jewish hertiage.

You get into heaven by faith in that God sent him, raised him from the dead, and loving your neighbor as yourself, @Matthias.

 

[MatthewG]

there is a word for it ontological understanding, or epistlemology understanding?

I cant remember.

 

[RLT63]

Same. Would you be really surprised if he and those who share his understanding change their minds after the dust settles?

Very

 

[Matthias]

You dont get into heaven just cause of knowing where Jesus Christ lived, or based on his jewish hertiage.

You get into heaven by faith in that God sent him, raised him from the dead, and loving your neighbor as yourself, @Matthias.

“The meek shall inherit the earth.” - Jesus the Jew

What Jewish heritage? This thread is for the purpose of allowing those who don’t believe Jesus was a Jew to present their case for the consideration of those who believe Jesus was a Jew.

 

[Matthias]

Very

Put me down for mildly.

 

[MatthewG]

Oh, sorry shouldn't comment then in this thread. Segergation?

It just the same thing as "Do you need to actually call out the name Jesus to be saved", people will come by and share as they like.

It's wonderful to share the differences of others, and enjoy a meal with them no doubt. Unless you seceretly hate them, then that is an evil plot twist, that is murderous.

You have one guy who shared already that is wonderful.

 

[RLT63]

Thank you. I’ll watch it.

Do you have any background information on the speaker? I’m not familiar with him.

P.S.

Never mind. I was able to locate some background information on him.

I watched the video. I’m not at all persuaded by his presentation. Maybe others will be. I’ll be interested to see what others think about it before saying anything further concerning his argument.

I posted a video taking the opposite point of view several months ago. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the topic which by Board policy cannot be discussed. It was allowed to stay up for a long time. Unfortunately, some members couldn’t resist talking about that which cannot be discussed in the thread, thus violating Board policy. At the demand of a trinitarian member of the Board, the entire thread was deleted by a moderator.

The video you posted doesn’t discuss that which is forbidden to be discussed. I hope the thread is allowed to remain. I have my doubts that it will.

I’m not persuaded by the video. (It’s actually audio)

 

[GEN2REV]

Jhn 1:11 - He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Yes, many were deceived by the counterfeit babylonian teachings of the pharisees, sadducees and scribes; the jews of Jesus' day.

Watch the video in post #4 and you will learn a lot.

 

[MatthewG]

He listend to the audio and didnt agree with it @GEN2REV; i didnt listen to it at all.

 

[MatthewG]

so if jesus wasnt a jew what does that mean to a world that has been duped in your case that he was a jew? @GEN2REV

 

[GEN2REV]

Surely you know about the Essene sect and the Dead Sea Scrolls.



The average Jew in the first century wasn’t a Sadducee, a Pharisee or a scribe. The Bible speaks about the Jews in the Diaspora - the Hellenized Jews. The Bible speaks about the sect headed by John the Baptist. He wasn’t a Sadducee, a Pharisee or a scribe. I’m sure you’ve heard of the sect of the Zealots.

I'm not sure you're understanding that jew is a modern term.

The people you're referring to here were not what we understand today as jews.

Jews of today practice the religion of judaism, judaism comes from pharisaism. The religion that the pharisees, sadducees and scribes adhered to in Jesus' day was pharisaism. It was referred to many times in the gospels as the 'traditions of the elders', the traditions of men. It did not follow the Laws set forth by God Almighty, it followed man made laws that were founded in babylon, it was babylonian talmudism.

That is what the jews of today practice. It is referred to as judaism.

Again, the people you are referring to in Jesus' day, that you believe to be jews as you believe Jesus was, had nothing to do with that pagan counterfeit religion that twisted and altered the OT religion.

Watch the video.

 

[GEN2REV]

so if jesus wasnt a jew what does that mean to a world that has been duped in your case that he was a jew? @GEN2REV

Watch (or listen to) the video and find out.

 

[MatthewG]

Do you agree or disagree with anything that Mattias had stated @GEN2REV?

People in Jesus days had geneogy back then, unless you throw that out the window and they could tell who was part of the twelve tribes or not. Those twelve tribes were all promised to come about, and they were the natuon of isreal until they had a split, the tweleve tribes i believe are also referrenced in revelation.

Do you have anything to say about that?