People say you can not lose faith, God can't lose you, is that true?

[gpresdo]

As Lamentations says "For no one is cast off by the Lord forever."

If punishment is "eternal" then this verse is false.

Not cast off if one repents and is baptized. Is that your point?

 

[gpresdo]

On what do you base the belief that Satan is no longer ruling this world?

Satan has never ruled this world. He never will. Study scriptures.

Do you believe in God/Christ?

 

[gpresdo]

These references certainly do support my beliefs. You said, "we are not saved until Christ says we are saved after death and then judgement." Jesus said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has (present tense, right now) everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment (present tense, right now) but has passed (perfect tense; from the past to present) from death into life. (John 5:24) This takes place before death and judgment.

The apostle Paul said, "For by grace you have been (past tense, with ongoing present results) saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God." (Ephesians 2:8) This takes place before death and judgment.

The apostle Paul also said, "Therefore, having been (past tense, with ongoing present results) justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ." (Romans 5:1) This takes place before death and judgment.

We have gone over this before...so why is there a Judgement for each.... after death?
We are born again here on earth ONLY.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amigo,

Read your Bible.

more beautiful words could not have been typed . Wonderful advice my friend .

 

[gpresdo]

so you are unable to actually respond to what people say. You just make some rude comment?

Why don;t you prove those passages do not support his contention instead of just saying it.. because you you just say it, it is words.. nothing else

We don't play that game...show me scriptures that support that contention and I will show you scriptures that says it is wrong. Example some maintain that baptism is mot necessary but wont show scriptures which says...baptism isn't necessary for sin forgiveness. Even after showing scriptures which demonstrate it is required; Example;

Baptism is Required;


Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins...... Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved........

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 10;47-48...
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).



Now...again......show me scripture which days baptism is not required?

 

[mailmandan]

We have gone over this before...so why is there a Judgement for each.... after death?
We are born again here on earth ONLY.

See 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 for the purpose of judgment at the judgment seat of Christ for believers.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We don't play that game...show me scriptures that support that contention and I will show you scriptures that says it is wrong. Example some maintain that baptism is mot necessary but wont show scriptures which says...baptism isn't necessary for sin forgiveness. Even after showing scriptures which demonstrate it is required; Example;

Yet you are playing that Game

Myself and others have shown you multiple scripture which show otherwise.

You showing some that appear to support you does not prove you right

 

[MatthewG]

We have gone over this before...so why is there a Judgement for each.... after death?
We are born again here on earth ONLY.

I think it is to judge and separate darkness from light. Just like in the beginning when God created light. And just like the end of Revelation, there is outside the kingdom, and inside of the kingdom of HEaven.

 

[DJT_47]

thats like saying your saved but then again you might not be saved

Since it is the penalty of sin we are saved from. we can;t be saved then unsaved, if that could be true, then we were never saved at all.

the other fact is we can not save ourselves. if this be true, we can not unsave our self either.

its all of God..

You can be saved and then unsaved or lost. When you're baptized and saved, what are you saved from? It's your past sins not your future ones.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You can be saved and then unsaved or lost. When you're baptized and saved, what are you saved from? It's your past sins not your future ones.

Your saved from the penalty of sin

If you’re not saved from all sin, then you’re not saved period. And you have conditional life. Not eternal life

Again, good luck

 

[MatthewG]

Praise God for that @Eternally Grateful - Human beings have been cleared of sin, even though they commit sin. Their sins were taken away at the cross by the Lord Jesus Christ, and now people who come to realize that their broken disposition has caused them trouble by the choices they have made and turn to God, and become born again - they will see they are to pick up the cross, die to the old life, be buried with christ, and be raised again with Christ into newness of life by the spirit - they still struggle with the flesh but personal sanctification can happen to those who seek for it to happen now in this life though they can go back and forth as a christian between the flesh and the spirit however - they can also leave the faith completely if they choose to.

God will not force anyone to stay with him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Praise God for that @Eternally Grateful - Human beings have been cleared of sin, even though they commit sin. Their sins were taken away at the cross by the Lord Jesus Christ, and now people who come to realize that their broken disposition has caused them trouble by the choices they have made and turn to God, and become born again - they will see they are to pick up the cross, die to the old life, be buried with christ, and be raised again with Christ into newness of life by the spirit - they still struggle with the flesh but personal sanctification can happen to those who seek for it to happen now in this life though they can go back and forth as a christian between the flesh and the spirit however - they can also leave the faith completely if they choose to.

God will not force anyone to stay with him.

God does not have to

Those who really trust him are saved by him

and his work is so powerful and the HS which is in them.

No one who is truly saved would ever want to leave him.

I can only say those who think anyone would ever leave him must not know him. Otherwise. Why else would they think someone would leave such a faithful and trustworthy God?

 

[MatthewG]

God does not have to

Those who really trust him are saved by him

and his work is so powerful and the HS which is in them.

No one who is truly saved would ever want to leave him.

I can only say those who think anyone would ever leave him must not know him. Otherwise. Why else would they think someone would leave such a faithful and trustworthy God?

Cool, I know you believe in your heart and trust in God, that is wonderful.

Many people do and that is great. It's a day to day thing until we die.

 

[DJT_47]

Your saved from the penalty of sin

If you’re not saved from all sin, then you’re not saved period. And you have conditional life. Not eternal life

Again, good luck

Pretty clear you're saved from PAST sins and not those that have not yet been committed

Rom 3:23-25

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

 

[GodisSpirit]

The Apostle Paul, makes it "very clear" that the Responsibility to remain in God is our own.

Romans 11:
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

The key portion of Verse 22 sums it up pretty clear : provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.


So, if someone claims that OSAS is Biblical, it is, ONLY, IF, we REMAIN/ABIDE in Christ.

 

[gpresdo]

See 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 for the purpose of judgment at the judgment seat of Christ for believers.

I knew you wouldn't!!!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Pretty clear you're saved from PAST sins and not those that have not yet been committed

Rom 3:23-25

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Romans 3 speaks of the sins commited BEFORE the law was given

Please try to read a passage not cherry pick a verse.

If jesus did not pay for your future sin, You have no means of forgiveness for those sin period

without the shedding of blood (the cross) there is no forgiveness

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Apostle Paul, makes it "very clear" that the Responsibility to remain in God is our own.

Romans 11:
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

The key portion of Verse 22 sums it up pretty clear : provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.


So, if someone claims that OSAS is Biblical, it is, ONLY, IF, we REMAIN/ABIDE in Christ.

He was talking about the gentile believers.. As apposed to Israel

He was talking about induvidual people

Eternal life is based on the promise of God based on the cross.

Not in what we do or don't do. we can not do anything to cause 1 sin to be forgiven

 

[DJT_47]

Romans 3 speaks of the sins commited BEFORE the law was given

Please try to read a passage not cherry pick a verse.

If jesus did not pay for your future sin, You have no means of forgiveness for those sin period

without the shedding of blood (the cross) there is no forgiveness

You certainly do have a remedy for sin after imitially ssved, it's called repentance!

 

[MatthewG]

You certainly do have a remedy for sin after imitially ssved, it's called repentance!

@DJT_47,

How do you describe the repentance meaning?

Some say - repentance means you stop doing something.

The word itself means "change your mind", in the greek.