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Jack

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Well I hope they are not teaching them Satan's doctrine of Universalism!
 

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I am against the Universalism where people are saved without belief in Christ, like Unitarian Universalism, Muslim Universalism, Jewish Universalism.

What makes Christian Universalism true is that it requires faith alone in Christ. The Universalism merely speaks of the end result, which God desires, in which all are saved. God bless Jack :D

1 John 2:2 ESVHe is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
You will be held accountable for everyone who spends eternity in Hell because you led them astray.

Revelation 20:15 (ESV)
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
 

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Not sure how I'm leading people to "Hell" when I'm telling them to believe in Jesus Christ, the only way to Heaven, to be saved.
In fact, do we, as mere human beings, have the power to lead anybody to

Proverbs 16:9 KJB A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.

Even if ECT were true, I would not be capable of leading people to Hell, it would be the LORD that establishes where they step. So let's see where the LORD wishes to plan OUR course

1 Timothy 2:4 ESV Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

So this tells us that the LORD is directing all of our steps to reach this destination called "knowledge of the truth"
God isn't directing you to attack our Bible.

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
 

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And therein is where you have been mislead by brother. The Greek scriptures mistranslated a Greek word into "eternal" and that's NOT what it said. Here is the CORRECT translation for the verse you cited:

Matthew 25:41​

Young's Literal Translation​

41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
Jerome, who was fluent in 30 Languages, translated from the true Account of Matthew, which was originally in Hebrew, for the Jews only.

We have John, the Beloved's, own Disciples, Polycarp and Papias, and several Church Fathers confirm that Matthew was "originally" written in Hebrew, and then basically, was translated into Greek, [their words] as "best" they could. So, the Greek is very inaccurate.

But, we do have Jerome's Translation of the Hebrew on file.

And the Greek Word YOU claim means, an AGE, is truthfully incorrect.

Matthew, actually wrote: into ETERNAL fire.


If, YOU, have made some decisions based off of thinking the Lake of Fire is just for an AGE, that AGE, will NEVER END!

ENJOY!
 

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Something else,
If the Lake of Fire was Temporary, that means Satan, the Antichrist, False Prophet, the GRAVE, and DEATH will all Resurrect!

To believe that the Lake of Fire is Temporary, is Heresy, at its finest!
 
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Something else,
If the Lake of Fire was Temporary, that means Satan, the Antichrist, False Prophet, the GRAVE, and DEATH will all Resurrect!

To believe that the Lake of Fire is Temporary, is Heresy, at its finest!

Satan is doing exactly what God intended him to do.
 

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Satan is doing exactly what God intended him to do.
Satan, only has a purpose, once it is finished, there's no reason to have him around.
This belief, that the Lake of Fire will end. and that basically it has to release Satan by Reason, is NOWHERE found in Scripture, and is a Heresy to claim.

And if You say, I did not say Satan would be released.
I would say, if all inhabitants of the Lake of Fire are released after an Age, it MUST include Satan and the Fallen Angels/Demons.

Why would God, release them again?

He has no need for them.

What purpose would there be to release Satan from the Lake of Fire after 100,000 years?
 

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Satan, only has a purpose, once it is finished, there's no reason to have him around.
This belief, that the Lake of Fire will end. and that basically it has to release Satan by Reason, is NOWHERE found in Scripture, and is a Heresy to claim.

And if You say, I did not say Satan would be released.
I would say, if all inhabitants of the Lake of Fire are released after an Age, it MUST include Satan and the Fallen Angels/Demons.

Why would God, release them again?

He has no need for them.

What purpose would there be to release Satan from the Lake of Fire after 100,000 years?

Is it your belief that God created Satan in order to use him and then torture him forever?
 

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Satan, only has a purpose, once it is finished, there's no reason to have him around....Simply put, some people are foolish...

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Is it your belief that God created Satan in order to use him and then torture him forever?
Before God decided to create the Adversary, God knew the End from the Beginning.
That's what separates our True God from the impostor's, our God, knows the End from the Beginning, not just the Beginning to the End.
But God created the Adversary and gave him every opportunity to make his own decisions and choose his own Path.
It's called, Free Will.

And we know God was prepared, because even in the Garden, we have the Tree of Life, a symbol for a future Event towards Salvation.

And we also know, in the Garden, God, gave Adam and Eve Free Will.
They chose to disobey one Command.

But, as to your question, Satan, is not human. He had all of Heaven and decided he wanted Earth more. Satan, knew Hell and the Lake of Fire existed. And he, Satan, CHOSE, to go that direction + lead as many Angels and then humans with him.

So by Free Will, Satan, chose his own destiny.
 

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But God created the Adversary and gave him every opportunity to make his own decisions and choose his own Path.

I don't share your opinion. I believe that Satan is doing exactly what God created him to do. Satan cannot, at this time, repent because God is not permitting him to do so because, if Satan repented now, mankind's earthly lessons would be incomplete. Let us remember that Satan will be held captive for 1,000 years and then he will be released. Why would God release him? To complete our education. Afterward, Satan will be transformed and then he too will worship God alongside us in God's kingdom. 1 Corinthians 15 says as much.
 

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I don't share your opinion. I believe that Satan is doing exactly what God created him to do. Satan cannot, at this time, repent because God is not permitting him to do so because, if Satan repented now, mankind's earthly lessons would be incomplete. Let us remember that Satan will be held captive for 1,000 years and then he will be released. Why would God release him? To complete our education. Afterward, Satan will be transformed and then he too will worship God alongside us in God's kingdom. 1 Corinthians 15 says as much.
Do you think God is using Satan to pack Hell, or to make God the better option for the sinned condemned and bounded human being?
 

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Do you think God is using Satan to pack Hell, or to make God the better option for the sinned condemned and bounded human being?
My brother, I believe that God is using Satan to test, refine, and purify us. God came to us through Jesus and offers some salvation through him. He doesn't permit everyone to believe in Jesus. Why do you believe that is? I believe it's for everybody's education and edification. I believe that God is a creator, as well as a refiner, purifier, healer, and fixer. :) Take these verses, for instance.

Malachi 3:2-3 esv
But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the Lord.

Mark 9:49
For everyone will be salted with fire.

I believe that ALL will be purified, one way or the other, but we who look to Christ will be purified the nice and easy way. Others will have to be purified in the Lake of Fire.

1 John 3:3 esv
And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

In the end, all will be pure and then all will be given to God, including Satan and his "fallen" angels.
 

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My brother, I believe that God is using Satan to test, refine, and purify us. God came to us through Jesus and offers some salvation through him. He doesn't permit everyone to believe in Jesus. Why do you believe that is? I believe it's for everybody's education and edification. I believe that God is a creator, as well as a refiner, purifier, healer, and fixer. :) Take these verses, for instance.

Malachi 3:2-3 esv
But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the Lord.

Mark 9:49
For everyone will be salted with fire.

I believe that ALL will be purified, one way or the other, but we who look to Christ will be purified the nice and easy way. Others will have to be purified in the Lake of Fire.

1 John 3:3 esv
And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.

In the end, all will be pure and then all will be given to God, including Satan and his "fallen" angels.
I do not have one issue at all with this explanation.
It does lead to one more question.
After the Great White Throne Judgment, and everything that rejected God is now into the Lake of Fire, what more can Satan offer to God if he is released at the end of an Age [as you have claimed the Lake of Fire ends]?

What would God need Satan for?

At this point, it's all over with and done. No more humans being born. We're all either in Heaven or the Lake of Fire. So, what Purpose and Use would God need from Satan to release him again?
 

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I do not have one issue at all with this explanation.
It does lead to one more question.
After the Great White Throne Judgment, and everything that rejected God is now into the Lake of Fire, what more can Satan offer to God if he is released at the end of an Age [as you have claimed the Lake of Fire ends]?

What would God need Satan for?

At this point, it's all over with and done. No more humans being born. We're all either in Heaven or the Lake of Fire. So, what Purpose and Use would God need from Satan to release him again?

At the end of the ages all who ever lived will call Jesus "Lord" and all will go to live with God in his kingdom. Nobody, not even Satan, will be in the Lake of Fire.
 

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So, God is going to forgive Satan and His Angels?

Can you show me this Verse?

1 Corinthians 15:24-26 ESV
24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
 

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Revelation says they are done away with.

Universalism says suggesting they are saved.

It makes it quite a conflict due to Gods promise…

And the outside and inside of Gods kingdom in heaven.

What do you trust? The wisdom of the world? Who do you trust? Man? Or God?