Were angels ever people?

[Karl Peters]

I hear you. I just don't agree with you. Scripture says that the Holy Spirit descended on him. Your argument is with scripture, not me. Whether this event changed Jesus or not, I suppose could be up for debate because we know little or nothing of what kind of man he was or what he might have done with his life prior to the event. If not 'changed' in the moment, he was certainly different- afterwards. Different than others around him-- and who could be indwelled with the Spirit of God and not be changed? I'll leave that to sort through for yourself.

As for the rest of your post, it's all based on a single premise that I don't hold to. Jesus was a man. He was born a babe and raised as a boy who grew to be a man. It's what makes him like us and us like him. The Holy Spirit of God within him, that descended upon him --is what made him holy. Different. Set apart.

No - if I have an argument with you, it is because your understanding not the Scriptures!! The problem with your understanding, as with many/most people, is our physical view point!!!

This turns out to be a major reason we don't nor can't get our understanding correct unless you actually spend time listening to the Lord!!

We see this in a couple of different verses - one being:

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

And also with:

Is 55: 8,9 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

You can't take your earthly/fleshy view point and get anywhere close to understanding the Lord!!

And have you not read:

Ps 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable;
I will utter dark sayings of old,

The Lord is our Teacher - so He speaks in ways to help us understand though we can't really fully understand. And the thing is that when you spend time actually talking back and forth with the Lord, and even the ministering angels who know Him much better that you or any person, which He send, your understanding improves. And the strange thing is that when your understanding improves you find out more and more how and why your thoughts are not His thoughts and your ways are not His ways. He is just way way way way too smart for you and He also has a far far far better place to see thing from!!!

Part of that is due to the fact that God (even the Holy Spirit) is everywhere at all times!!

Ps 139:7, 8 Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
If I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.

You can see in the above Psalms that it is not that He is coming on you, but rather you can't get away from Him at anytime!! So if you combine the verses, or better yet, if you spend time seeking Him and talking to Him, you will find that He is always there with you at all times!! So maybe it seem like the Spirit comes to you, but that is not the actual case. It is more like the Spirit of God, who is always with you will suddenly start talking to you or start making His presence felt, so you think that the Holy Spirit comes upon you. It seems that way, but that is not actually the case. Rather it is that He comes on you to do something, like whisper in your ear or give you a spiritual pat on the back.

I used to go to a church which had a song that went "Come Holy Spirit, Come", which was a great songs and the Holy Spirit often just started showing up when we sang that request, but He was always there. The real meaning of the song was a request for Him to start doing things and making His presence felt.

The reason we need to correct this false understanding is that if we start thinking and believing that the Lord and His Spirit is not always with us, then we won't actually seek Him with a faith which causes us to think that He might either be dead at that time or in a far off place called heaven - and that is not the Word of God which we are preaching!! So don't preach that!!

Rom 10: 6-8 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”
But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

WE are not preaching that God is somewhere not near us, like heaven, that He has to come down from!! Don't preach that!!

 

[Mr E]

No - if I have an argument with you, it is because your understanding not the Scriptures!! The problem with your understanding, as with many/most people, is our physical view point!!!

This turns out to be a major reason we don't nor can't get our understanding correct unless you actually spend time listening to the Lord!!

We see this in a couple of different verses - one being:

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

And also with:

Is 55: 8,9 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

You can't take your earthly/fleshy view point and get anywhere close to understanding the Lord!!

And have you not read:

Ps 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable;
I will utter dark sayings of old,

The Lord is our Teacher - so He speaks in ways to help us understand though we can't really fully understand. And the thing is that when you spend time actually talking back and forth with the Lord, and even the ministering angels who know Him much better that you or any person, which He send, your understanding improves. And the strange thing is that when your understanding improves you find out more and more how and why your thoughts are not His thoughts and your ways are not His ways. He is just way way way way too smart for you and He also has a far far far better place to see thing from!!!

Part of that is due to the fact that God (even the Holy Spirit) is everywhere at all times!!

Ps 139:7, 8 Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
If I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.

You can see in the above Psalms that it is not that He is coming on you, but rather you can't get away from Him at anytime!! So if you combine the verses, or better yet, if you spend time seeking Him and talking to Him, you will find that He is always there with you at all times!! So maybe it seem like the Spirit comes to you, but that is not the actual case. It is more like the Spirit of God, who is always with you will suddenly start talking to you or start making His presence felt, so you think that the Holy Spirit comes upon you. It seems that way, but that is not actually the case. Rather it is that He comes on you to do something, like whisper in your ear or give you a spiritual pat on the back.

I used to go to a church which had a song that went "Come Holy Spirit, Come", which was a great songs and the Holy Spirit often just started showing up when we sang that request, but He was always there. The real meaning of the song was a request for Him to start doing things and making His presence felt.

The reason we need to correct this false understanding is that if we start thinking and believing that the Lord and His Spirit is not always with us, then we won't actually seek Him with a faith which causes us to think that He might either be dead at that time or in a far off place called heaven - and that is not the Word of God which we are preaching!! So don't preach that!!

Rom 10: 6-8 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).”
But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

WE are not preaching that God is somewhere not near us, like heaven, that He has to come down from!! Don't preach that!!

Has anyone ever told you that you use too many exclamation points? You do! (huzzah)

(it doesn't improve your case)

And the kingdom of heaven is within (inside) you. Do you not know that in this way, some people have entertained (hosted) angels unaware?

You, Karl are a house. A tent, a temple, a body, a temporary residence, an earthly dwelling place for the spirit. Immanuel. God with us.

Have a nice day.

 

[Hobie]

Were angels ever people? If so, what happened to make them angels?

Never, its a misconception that crept into the church... Angels Are Not People Who Died—Man Has a Far Greater Purpose and Future

 

[Karl Peters]

Has anyone ever told you that you use too many exclamation points? You do! (huzzah)

(it doesn't improve your case)

And the kingdom of heaven is within (inside) you. Do you not know that in this way, some people have entertained (hosted) angels unaware?

You, Karl are a house. A tent, a temple, a body, a temporary residence, an earthly dwelling place for the spirit. Immanuel. God with us.

Have a nice day.

Yes!!! This is so important to know and understand; that the Word of God is found near us, in our mouths and in our hearts, and that the Kingdom of God is in our midst. Therefore is we are born again and we hear the sound of the wind, we don't actually know where it comes from other than we find it near us - in our midst. And that is the Word of God we are preaching.

And this had to be explain more than once in the Bible!!!!!!!!!

(Oh yeah, I do use a lot of explanation marks in hopes of focusing people clearly at the issue. In this case the issue is how easily we can miss the fact that the Kingdom of God is in our midst and that the Word of God we preach (which is brought to us by the Holy Spirit) is near us.

Therefore, when looking for Jesus Christ and what He has to say to us via the Holy Spirit, the Spirit does not descend from some place, though we might get a vision in us and words from God might be found in us which seem to indicate the Word of God came to us saying something. Still, Jesus Christ never left us and His Kingdom was/is always found in out midst - right?

So on the topic of angels being in the flesh - well that is not the case!!! And to make that the case is to mislead people from looking where they need to be looking!!!! And in fact a thread asking "Were angels ever people" can have the tendency to mislead people!

So I loved the above post!!! And I loved is for several reasons!

First of all it said what is right about God!!! (again exclamation points)

Over and over when listening to the Lord I have heard the Holy Spirit talk to me about saying "what is right about God!" Often concerning a preacher, I will be told by the Lord, "I like them because they say what is right about Me." Saying what is right and not saying what is right, and especially about the Lord, is an extremely important issue with the Lord! And that is found out clearly from spending time listening to Him!

Is 30:10 Who say to the seers, “You must not see visions”;
And to the prophets, “You must not prophesy to us what is right,
Speak to us pleasant words, Prophesy illusions.

In the above post we find what is right, that the Word of God is near us and the Kingdom of God is in our midst!

When I hear from my Lord Jesus Christ, I hear Him in my heart. And often I figure out that He is talking to me because of the words coming out my mouth!

So what about angels and me entertaining them so I hear them minister to me. Well they are spirits and so again I pick them up in my spirit/heart. We see visions and hear them with our spiritual ears, of course. And that too is presented correctly in the post above, but not in many posts on this thread!

So are some Christians saying "You must not see visions" and also "Speak to us pleasant words". They don't really want to hear what is right about God - that He is and has always been with you to hear from, and He is there with His Kingdom - The Kingdom of God!

So I loved the post, even the comment about "too many exclamation points"!!!!!

Let me help you with understanding that also. You have probably read how God using the foolish things of this world, right? And there is a Proverb about how a fool speaks too much. Well, that is me!!! That is not the Lord. He uses few words and chooses them all carefully. Yet when I hear from Him I get excited and have a zeal for Him, so I speak loudly without thinking so much. My desire becomes simply that people would just listen to Him and seek His Kingdom!!

So the exclamation points may not improve my case but it seems to me I need to focus people on the case for the King of Kings and His Kingdom of God!!!! Are they not still missing the fact that the Kingdom of God, including the King, is in our midst??? If not then why the question in the OP, and why the thinking that the Holy Spirit has to come down from somewhere?

We Christians are missing something!! Something like the fact that the Kingdom of God is in our midst and that the Word of God we preach in found near us!!!! And if I put an exclamation point in this post for every time I have heard this missed when listening to Christians I would have to only use exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the wonderful post :)

 

[Mr E]

Yes!!! This is so important to know and understand; that the Word of God is found near us, in our mouths and in our hearts, and that the Kingdom of God is in our midst. Therefore is we are born again and we hear the sound of the wind, we don't actually know where it comes from other than we find it near us - in our midst. And that is the Word of God we are preaching.

And this had to be explain more than once in the Bible!!!!!!!!!

(Oh yeah, I do use a lot of explanation marks in hopes of focusing people clearly at the issue. In this case the issue is how easily we can miss the fact that the Kingdom of God is in our midst and that the Word of God we preach (which is brought to us by the Holy Spirit) is near us.

Therefore, when looking for Jesus Christ and what He has to say to us via the Holy Spirit, the Spirit does not descend from some place, though we might get a vision in us and words from God might be found in us which seem to indicate the Word of God came to us saying something. Still, Jesus Christ never left us and His Kingdom was/is always found in out midst - right?

So on the topic of angels being in the flesh - well that is not the case!!! And to make that the case is to mislead people from looking where they need to be looking!!!! And in fact a thread asking "Were angels ever people" can have the tendency to mislead people!

So I loved the above post!!! And I loved is for several reasons!

First of all it said what is right about God!!! (again exclamation points)

Over and over when listening to the Lord I have heard the Holy Spirit talk to me about saying "what is right about God!" Often concerning a preacher, I will be told by the Lord, "I like them because they say what is right about Me." Saying what is right and not saying what is right, and especially about the Lord, is an extremely important issue with the Lord! And that is found out clearly from spending time listening to Him!

Is 30:10 Who say to the seers, “You must not see visions”;
And to the prophets, “You must not prophesy to us what is right,
Speak to us pleasant words, Prophesy illusions.

In the above post we find what is right, that the Word of God is near us and the Kingdom of God is in our midst!

When I hear from my Lord Jesus Christ, I hear Him in my heart. And often I figure out that He is talking to me because of the words coming out my mouth!

So what about angels and me entertaining them so I hear them minister to me. Well they are spirits and so again I pick them up in my spirit/heart. We see visions and hear them with our spiritual ears, of course. And that too is presented correctly in the post above, but not in many posts on this thread!

So are some Christians saying "You must not see visions" and also "Speak to us pleasant words". They don't really want to hear what is right about God - that He is and has always been with you to hear from, and He is there with His Kingdom - The Kingdom of God!

So I loved the post, even the comment about "too many exclamation points"!!!!!

Let me help you with understanding that also. You have probably read how God using the foolish things of this world, right? And there is a Proverb about how a fool speaks too much. Well, that is me!!! That is not the Lord. He uses few words and chooses them all carefully. Yet when I hear from Him I get excited and have a zeal for Him, so I speak loudly without thinking so much. My desire becomes simply that people would just listen to Him and seek His Kingdom!!

So the exclamation points may not improve my case but it seems to me I need to focus people on the case for the King of Kings and His Kingdom of God!!!! Are they not still missing the fact that the Kingdom of God, including the King, is in our midst??? If not then why the question in the OP, and why the thinking that the Holy Spirit has to come down from somewhere?

We Christians are missing something!! Something like the fact that the Kingdom of God is in our midst and that the Word of God we preach in found near us!!!! And if I put an exclamation point in this post for every time I have heard this missed when listening to Christians I would have to only use exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the wonderful post :)

lol.... I appreciate this. I love to find sisters and brothers slow to take offense and willing to have a discussion.

And I agree with you that when we hear his voice, it comes from inside, --not from "above" in the directional sense, but it is nonetheless a 'higher' place in that it is in spirit that we commune with God, for He is spirit and it is His spirit that dwells 'in us.' We call this spirit, the son of God-- the Christ- the son sent to man, that messenger with the word of God, our Father. Christ in us. Christ-ins.

 

[Karl Peters]

lol.... I appreciate this. I love to find sisters and brothers slow to take offense and willing to have a discussion.

And I agree with you that when we hear his voice, it comes from inside, --not from "above" in the directional sense, but it is nonetheless a 'higher' place in that it is in spirit that we commune with God, for He is spirit and it is His spirit that dwells 'in us.' We call this spirit, the son of God-- the Christ- the son sent to man, that messenger with the word of God, our Father. Christ in us. Christ-ins.

Absolutely!!

Of course, then the spiritual higher place has more to do with the higher authority and power of God than a being higher in a physical sense, like up towards the clouds. And that is what we find out when we talk to the Lord and His Kingdom. His Kingdom is not of this world, so it can't be pointed to with directions that apply to this world. It is better pointed to by pointing to the King, like you would point a person to a person for advice, or perhaps like pointing people to a group that does not have physical location but consists of those who work out of their home (heaven).

And yes - that (what we find when we find the King and His Kingdom) deserves a discussion!! We all know in part so that fact should make for interesting discussions.

For example; the Lord wants me to see more with my spiritual eyes, and has often gotten on to me about it. The problem I have is that seeing with my spiritual eyes is always weird to me. I can look and see things and those things have meaning, yet it is all done by faith (a belief I can see with my spiritual eyes) and it usually looks a bit ghostly (because we are talking about spirits). Like while eating at a fast food restaurant on day He we asking me to use my spiritual eyes more. So it was that after that I was about to go into a store and as I looked I saw a tall angel next to a tall palm tree. As I looked the angel appeared to be pulling on a string attached high up on the palm tree - so I was thinking "What is he doing?" Then I heard him talk to me and he said, "Karl, if you want more light in your life look to the Kingdom of God." And as he told me that I then noticed that they had put lights for the parking lot high up on the tall palm trees in the shopping center.

The angel had look very ghostly to me, being see through. And it was hard to think that it wasn't just my imagination. Yet the reference to the light is what actually cause me to look closer at the palm trees and find that they had real physical light on them. So the spiritual made a connection with the physical to make a point to me. It couldn't have just been my imagination because of the spiritual had made the connection when I had not. And I have had many other of those types of connections made, so now when I read about the Holy Spirit coming down upon Jesus when He was in the flesh, I don't just assume the Holy Spirit was an actual dove but rather that John the Baptist was seeing with his spiritual eyes, because that is what it is like to see with your spiritual eyes.

Thank you again for your post. I liked it and hope it encourages others to share also. :)

 

[Bob Estey]

Never, its a misconception that crept into the church... Angels Are Not People Who Died—Man Has a Far Greater Purpose and Future

What is the purpose of angels?

 

[Mr E]

What is the purpose of angels?

Angels are servants of God. Not in any kind of degrading notion of what some think of when they hear the word 'servant' rather it should be viewed as willing servants, or happy employees even.... like public servants, who love their jobs. You could relate this to any number of roles-- like how the postal service delivers messages- angels are messengers. Or those in military service... angels are warriors, and so on.

We call them 'ministering spirits' and they are all volunteers. 'Who will go? Here am I, send me.' In spirit, the question is asked and answered.

 

[Karl Peters]

What is the purpose of angels?

That question is pretty much the same question as "What is the purpose of people?"

Does God really need angels or people - or for that matter does God really need matter, eg stars, planets, galaxies and so on?

The thing is that God the Father had the Son of God! His only begotten Son!

Gen 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

And the Father had a plan! If you have a son and you are love, then are you not going to want to give something to your son, right? And you are not just going to give your son a rock are you?

So the Father has a plan - and in that plan includes teaching and developing His Son. Some work would be good to develop character. And relationships, they are good to have are they not? So come children to care for, right? That means some sacrifice out of love, right? So the Father has the Son create all thing, and puts Him over all things. He has His Son give things life, which mean the ability to make their own decisions. Of course that also means the ability to rebel against God. Those challenges need to be addressed, of course. And all this needs to be on a massive scale, because we are talking about God the Son, the One who is the perfect image of the invisible God.

So the Father has a plan, and that plan includes everything! And the Father, because He loves His Son, turns all of it over the Son because it was all for the Son, right?

Jn 16:15 “All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

So we find that the Son of God, Jesus Christ, is given all things, per that plan of love the Father has for Him. He is the KING OF KINGS AND HE LORD OF LORDS - but He can't be that if there are not others to be over! Even those in the rebellion and don't respect the King, even choosing to not believe in Him, are subject to Him - God the Son.

So the real question is: How do we not know this???? Do we not know the King? Do we not know about His Kingdom? Do we not know about the rebellion and how it effects us? Do we not even turn to the King, Jesus Christ, who to us is also known as the Teacher and even our Everlasting Father, Wonderful Counselor, Prince of Peace, and Mighty God. The Lord our God is Jesus Christ - God the Son, and that per the plan of love the Father has for Him.

It is not that we shouldn't ask these question, but that these very basic questions about Christianity should be ask to our Teacher!

He loves questions, because He love reasoning with us, because He loves us. But if we search after the wisdom of men instead of the wisdom of God, then how are we going to develop the relationship with God that we need to have.

It is not by reading a book (the Bible) someone had written that you get to know a person!!!

And it is not by asking other people about a person that we get to know a person!!

If you want to get to know a person, ask them questions! Reason with them and you will get to know them!

If you get to know Jesus Christ you will get the benefits that come with knowing Him!

Is 1: 18 “Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the LORD,
“Though your sins are as scarlet,
They will be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They will be like wool.

I enjoy telling others what He has explained to me, yet I also know that we all need to get to know Him, Jesus Christ!
If you know Him you will ask Him questions, and certainly the basic type question we are finding in this thread. He went over the basics above in the first year that I knew Him. And the amazing thing was that while He was telling me things about the Bible that made perfect sense, I was finding people, even theologians, that didn't even know these basics.

It's not that hard. The Father had a plan to have things made through His Son and to give His Son all things, because He really, really, really, loves His Son. But because we are talking God the Son, the plan had to be enormous, including the heavenly Kingdom of God with great multitudes, and the physical universe with great multitudes of galaxies, with great multitudes of stars, with great multitudes of rocks, and a large rock with great multitudes of people given freewill, who are rebellious and need to be saved from their rebellion, so His Son (the King over all things) has to take on flesh and become finite in a really really small way, a person, to be the sacrifice so they can be saved, and allowed into the Kingdom of God.

My question that still gets me to this day is "Why?"

Why would He who had already been made King and had been given all things - all things you can see and all things you can't see - bother taking on flesh, to become a speck on a speck, circling a speck, in a galaxy that is no more than a speck, and that in just the physical realm, so that we who are made greater than we are by calling us dust, are given the chance to be part of the great multitude in heaven.

I am told that He is just really into relationships! So He love us so much I can't comprehend it. That He would actually talk to me, which He does, just boggles my mind. That is the question I have trouble understanding, but I take advantage of it!

I ask Him questions and talk about them with Him!

 

[Bob Estey]

Angels are servants of God. Not in any kind of degrading notion of what some think of when they hear the word 'servant' rather it should be viewed as willing servants, or happy employees even.... like public servants, who love their jobs. You could relate this to any number of roles-- like how the postal service delivers messages- angels are messengers. Or those in military service... angels are warriors, and so on.

We call them 'ministering spirits' and they are all volunteers. 'Who will go? Here am I, send me.' In spirit, the question is asked and answered.

What is the origin of angels?

 

[Karl Peters]

What is the origin of angels?

God!

 

[Bob Estey]

God!

When did this come about?

 

[Mr E]

What is the origin of angels?

Angels are children of God. It would be like looking at someone's son and asking 'What is the origin' of that child?

 

[Bob Estey]

Angels are children of God. It would be like looking at someone's son and asking 'What is the origin' of that child?

Are we not also children of God? So what is the difference between angels and us?

 

[Karl Peters]

What is the origin of angels?

What might be more interesting to know is that He is still making them!

We read that the Kingdom of God grows to become the biggest tree in the garden, but if you don't talk to the Lord and listen to Him you won't connect that with Him still making angels. Maybe you might connect it the fact that He tends to provide when provision is needed. So and since they are ministering spirits sent to those who will inherit salvation, and more people are around and thus more people are finding salvation (Jesus Christ), He has use for more angels now. Thus it is that as the Kingdom grows in people, it grows with more angels, which God makes - and the other things too.

Yet maybe not too many more, considering low percent of people who actually seek the King of Kings and His Kingdom!

People - what you need to do is put your questions to the Lord and listen!!!

The fact is that we people tend massively miss the fact that the Lord wants to reason with us!! So "He" wants your questions!!!

I will testify as to how I got the above answers. Just a couple of years after coming to actually know the Lord (about 20 years ago) I was driving to work and was talking to the Lord as I drove. But I wasn't sure what I wanted to talk to Him about that morning, and the drive was going to take over 30 minutes. So I asked the Lord to tell me something that I didn't know!

He responded instantly, just like He was always with me, saying, "Ok Karl - Here is something you don't know. I am still making angels today."

'Huh' I thought. And I was wondering why there is nothing in the Bible about that?

Knowing my thoughts, He responded, "Karl, it is written that the Kingdom of God grows."

'OH YEAH', thought; surprised how we miss the little things in the Bible and can't tie them to what is happening around us.

Now He continued on talking to me, and explaining this and other things tied into it - like how He provides things as we need them.

Absolutely. That is Him. People who really know Him know that He is famously known for providing things at what seems like the last minute. Frankly, that little habit of His (providing at what seems like the last minute) tends to drive me crazy. If you indeed know Him, you understand what I mean.

If you needs angels (those spirits sent by the Lord Jesus Christ, and who serve the Lord and protect and minister to you) so that you loose the things in the Kingdom of God (ask for them) He is faithful and provides them and more. You will find, if you ask, that those sent to you have almost always been around a long time - yet if you continue to ask you will also find out that as they were sent to you others were needed to do what they were doing in the Kingdom.

The Lord tends to send you the best He has available, and that means experience. So the angels are learning also. And depending on what is needed you might get an angel who has been giving His first assignment working with people. It turns out that working with us can be quite a challenge for them, and a challenge which they learn from. Indeed, if you actually take the time to talk to them they get excited. because frankly, most people who they are sent to don't even know they have been sent to them, much less take the time to speak to them!!

The point I am making is that we tend to ask other men, when we have the King of Kings and Lord or Lord, so He and His Kingdom if available to you for the asking!! Can you believe that???

 

[Karl Peters]

Angels are children of God. It would be like looking at someone's son and asking 'What is the origin' of that child?

I love it!!

So true!!!!!

 

[Mr E]

Are we not also children of God? So what is the difference between angels and us?

God is spirit. When we speak of His children, we are speaking of spiritual children. Spirit gives birth to spirit. And those spiritual children are what some call angels, or children of God, or simply spirits, or even sons of God (though not in a gendered way). Think of them as descendants of God-- or His prodigy. His offspring.

To go beyond that, you'd have to accept a simple scriptural principle that few recognize.

His Kingdom is on earth as it is in heaven. "We" are a likeness of those things above. A reflection.

 

[Karl Peters]

Are we not also children of God? So what is the difference between angels and us?

Are you never going to ask the Lord a question?

First get to know the Lord Jesus Christ, by opening up the door to Him who is standing there knocking on the door with His voice! Then take time to actually get to know Him! And as you get to know Him, and like it takes a little time to get to know a person here on earth, expect that it will take a bit of time to get to know Him who is the King over the Kingdom of God. Then He will certainly show you things, like the difference between you and the angelic host who serve Him.

Will He, the King, not at some point show you the throne of God and what goes on around it?

Is 6:1-3 In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple. Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And one called out to another and said,
“Holy, Holy, Holy, is the LORD of hosts,
The whole earth is full of His glory.”

Rev 8: 1-4 When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer; and much incense was given to him, so that he might add it to the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel’s hand.

Of course the same thing is not happening around the throne all the time, so you won't see what Isaiah saw or what John saw, but you will be shown things about the Kingdom and including the angels who serve Him. And you will find out that they are spirits, so it is all seen with your spiritual eyes.

Gen 28: 12 He had a dream, and behold, a ladder was set on the earth with its top reaching to heaven; and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.

Gen 32:1 Now as Jacob went on his way, the angels of God met him.

Now the above are all testimonies from men you knew and talked with the Lord our God, and they testify not only about the King but about the Kingdom - about angels.

So you ask, "Are we not also children of God? So what is the difference between angels and us?"

Are you counted as a child of God?

Jer 3:19 “Then I said,
‘How I would set you among My sons
And give you a pleasant land,
The most beautiful inheritance of the nations!’
And I said, ‘You shall call Me, My Father,
And not turn away from following Me.’

Do you ever hear Him tell you via that small calm voice in you, "son"?

I can't speak for you but as for me, when He came into my life, I first just got instructions from Him. As I did those instructions He gave me, and continued to listen, a day came when I told Him that my friends call me Karl. After that He started calling me Karl when He spoke to me. And He started calling me His friend. Yet a day came when I hear Him tell me, "Karl, I love you" and I could not contain the tears that came into my eyes from hearing that from Him. And He was giving me parables, sayings, and teachings.

One of those sayings was:

AS INSTRUCTIONS ARE GIVEN TO A SERVANT, AND WISDOM AND PARABLES TO A SON, AND AS JOKES ARE GIVEN TO A FRIEND, SO I LOVE YOU IS SAID TO A BRIDE.

So why do you ask, "Are we not also children of God? So what is the difference between angels and us?"

Do you not already know? They are spiritual beings not in the flesh, but you are a being in the flesh. But you asked about that, right? Should you not know it already? You even ask we are not also children of God? Have you not heard Him call you "son", even Him saying that to me moves me when I hear Him say it. I actually hear Him, via the small voice in me, tell me things like, "Son, it will be alright", or "Trust me on this son." And things like that.

So if you have to ask ""Are we not also children of God? So what is the difference between angels and us?", what does your asking tell you?

When He talks to me I don't have to ask if I am His son, because He has told me that so many times I can't count them. I don't have to ask if we are friends, because He has called me His friend so many times I can't remember them either. He even has told me a number of times that He will always call me His friends, and the angel that serve Him know that and they have told me they are aware that I am His son and friend. And when I talk to them using my spiritual ears and see them using my spiritual eyes, I know that they are smarter, wiser, more faithful to Him, and they appear tall than me also. Yet they appear, because they are spirits - meaning their appearance is based upon my interpretation of what I get in my spirit. They don't actually have a physical appearance, but in visions, and dreams they appear certain ways, like if they had some physical appearance, but they don't.

Once I had three very very small angels appear to me. And they were clothed in gold garments. That was strange, so I checked the spirits (see 1 John4:1-3) and they checked out. I found out that they just appeared small and in gold because they served the Father. They explained that because they served the Father they did not appear close to me, thus making them appear small like in a distance. And because they appeared to have special honor in their serving, they appeared in gold to me.

So now, in the Kingdom, what does Jesus Christ appear like to you, if you can see with your spiritual eyes. Does He appear like a man who took on flesh? Perhaps He appears as a bright light, or the King on the throne of God? He might, but in fact this verses have His appearance correct! He is in fact invisible - like the angels in heaven, because God is spirit!

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Tim 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Paul knew this. John would have known this, and Isaiah too. Yet as you and I walk around in the flesh we have a definite appearance from the physical light waves that come off us, right? So what is your question really? And is not the best way to get it answered is to seek the Lord our God, the King eternal, immortal, invisible, and the only God to be honored and have the glory forever?

So honor Him and listen to Him!!

Mal 2:1-3 “And now this commandment is for you, O priests. “If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name,” says the LORD of hosts, “then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them already, because you are not taking it to heart. “Behold, I am going to rebuke your offspring, and I will spread refuse on your faces, the refuse of your feasts; and you will be taken away with it.

Do that (listen) and then you and I can have fellowship, talking about the great things He showed us. After all, we all know in part. So we can exchange stories about what happened and was said when the Lord and the angels He sends to minister to us talked to us.

I don't mind answering questions, but I do mind trying to point those not seeking Him for information want to ask me questions they should have already asked the Lord.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

 

[Bob Estey]

Are you never going to ask the Lord a question?

First get to know the Lord Jesus Christ, by opening up the door to Him who is standing there knocking on the door with His voice! Then take time to actually get to know Him! And as you get to know Him, and like it takes a little time to get to know a person here on earth, expect that it will take a bit of time to get to know Him who is the King over the Kingdom of God. Then He will certainly show you things, like the difference between you and the angelic host who serve Him.

Will He, the King, not at some point show you the throne of God and what goes on around it?

Is 6:1-3 In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple. Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And one called out to another and said,
“Holy, Holy, Holy, is the LORD of hosts,
The whole earth is full of His glory.”

Rev 8: 1-4 When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer; and much incense was given to him, so that he might add it to the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel’s hand.

Of course the same thing is not happening around the throne all the time, so you won't see what Isaiah saw or what John saw, but you will be shown things about the Kingdom and including the angels who serve Him. And you will find out that they are spirits, so it is all seen with your spiritual eyes.

Gen 28: 12 He had a dream, and behold, a ladder was set on the earth with its top reaching to heaven; and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.

Gen 32:1 Now as Jacob went on his way, the angels of God met him.

Now the above are all testimonies from men you knew and talked with the Lord our God, and they testify not only about the King but about the Kingdom - about angels.

So you ask, "Are we not also children of God? So what is the difference between angels and us?"

Are you counted as a child of God?

Jer 3:19 “Then I said,
‘How I would set you among My sons
And give you a pleasant land,
The most beautiful inheritance of the nations!’
And I said, ‘You shall call Me, My Father,
And not turn away from following Me.’

Do you ever hear Him tell you via that small calm voice in you, "son"?

I can't speak for you but as for me, when He came into my life, I first just got instructions from Him. As I did those instructions He gave me, and continued to listen, a day came when I told Him that my friends call me Karl. After that He started calling me Karl when He spoke to me. And He started calling me His friend. Yet a day came when I hear Him tell me, "Karl, I love you" and I could not contain the tears that came into my eyes from hearing that from Him. And He was giving me parables, sayings, and teachings.

One of those sayings was:

AS INSTRUCTIONS ARE GIVEN TO A SERVANT, AND WISDOM AND PARABLES TO A SON, AND AS JOKES ARE GIVEN TO A FRIEND, SO I LOVE YOU IS SAID TO A BRIDE.

So why do you ask, "Are we not also children of God? So what is the difference between angels and us?"

Do you not already know? They are spiritual beings not in the flesh, but you are a being in the flesh. But you asked about that, right? Should you not know it already? You even ask we are not also children of God? Have you not heard Him call you "son", even Him saying that to me moves me when I hear Him say it. I actually hear Him, via the small voice in me, tell me things like, "Son, it will be alright", or "Trust me on this son." And things like that.

So if you have to ask ""Are we not also children of God? So what is the difference between angels and us?", what does your asking tell you?

When He talks to me I don't have to ask if I am His son, because He has told me that so many times I can't count them. I don't have to ask if we are friends, because He has called me His friend so many times I can't remember them either. He even has told me a number of times that He will always call me His friends, and the angel that serve Him know that and they have told me they are aware that I am His son and friend. And when I talk to them using my spiritual ears and see them using my spiritual eyes, I know that they are smarter, wiser, more faithful to Him, and they appear tall than me also. Yet they appear, because they are spirits - meaning their appearance is based upon my interpretation of what I get in my spirit. They don't actually have a physical appearance, but in visions, and dreams they appear certain ways, like if they had some physical appearance, but they don't.

Once I had three very very small angels appear to me. And they were clothed in gold garments. That was strange, so I checked the spirits (see 1 John4:1-3) and they checked out. I found out that they just appeared small and in gold because they served the Father. They explained that because they served the Father they did not appear close to me, thus making them appear small like in a distance. And because they appeared to have special honor in their serving, they appeared in gold to me.

So now, in the Kingdom, what does Jesus Christ appear like to you, if you can see with your spiritual eyes. Does He appear like a man who took on flesh? Perhaps He appears as a bright light, or the King on the throne of God? He might, but in fact this verses have His appearance correct! He is in fact invisible - like the angels in heaven, because God is spirit!

Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Tim 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Paul knew this. John would have known this, and Isaiah too. Yet as you and I walk around in the flesh we have a definite appearance from the physical light waves that come off us, right? So what is your question really? And is not the best way to get it answered is to seek the Lord our God, the King eternal, immortal, invisible, and the only God to be honored and have the glory forever?

So honor Him and listen to Him!!

Mal 2:1-3 “And now this commandment is for you, O priests. “If you do not listen, and if you do not take it to heart to give honor to My name,” says the LORD of hosts, “then I will send the curse upon you and I will curse your blessings; and indeed, I have cursed them already, because you are not taking it to heart. “Behold, I am going to rebuke your offspring, and I will spread refuse on your faces, the refuse of your feasts; and you will be taken away with it.

Do that (listen) and then you and I can have fellowship, talking about the great things He showed us. After all, we all know in part. So we can exchange stories about what happened and was said when the Lord and the angels He sends to minister to us talked to us.

I don't mind answering questions, but I do mind trying to point those not seeking Him for information want to ask me questions they should have already asked the Lord.
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

I talk to the Lord all the time. He'll answer my question when he is ready.

 

[Karl Peters]

I talk to the Lord all the time. He'll answer my question when he is ready.

How long should it take for Him to answer you?
Is He not always with you?

Ps 91:1 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High
Will abide in the shadow of the Almighty.

Ps 91: 15 “He will call upon Me, and I will answer him; ...

There might be a problem if you are not getting some type of answer from Him when you ask.

Rev 3:19-20 ‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent.
‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

Deut 4:29 “But from there you will seek the LORD your God, and you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.

Prov 8:17 “I love those who love me; And those who diligently seek me will find me.

Luke 11:9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

I tell you truly, He is ready to answer you now!! But it is going to take 2 things, the first being seeking Him and the second is believing He will answer you.

Yet there is something about men of little faith. It is not always easy to believe in Him for an answer!!!

Also, His thoughts are not your thoughts, so His answer is unlikely to be what you think it will be. That is a good thing, because then if you ask and get back something you had not thought of, then it might then be Him. It could be, if He was already telling you the answer but was unable to get through to you. Yet when you consider what comes back to you when you ask, you can almost always figure out what is going on.

Now my suggestion to those who seem to have trouble picking Him up, is to start of very easy and ask about things that are not too big to believe for.

One way to start is to ask, "Jesus Christ, how do you feel about me?", then pay close attention to what you pick up.


That usually works. I have had used this many times to get people to start hearing from Him.

Another thing we use often is to have people ask, "Jesus Christ, is there anyone I need to forgive?"

Now usually someone comes to mind, but often people just think that they knew it so it might not have been Him answering them. So, because of that and that there are usually many people we need to forgive, I have them keep asking Jesus Christ that same question over and over until they get a blank slate. Each time they ask it becomes easier and easier to understand that they are entering into a conversation with Him. And often it turns out to be quite surprising what comes to mind. At that point they start understanding that His thoughts are not their thoughts, and His ways are not their ways. And since faith comes from hearing a word from Him (Rom 10: 17), and they have started setting their mind to actually hearing Him for the answer to who they need to forgive, and getting answers by faith from Him, their faith grows stronger right then and there, even before they realize it!!

The Lord had me work in a Christian healing ministry for 5 years, and I can't begin to tell you the number of times people/Christians came in telling me that they don't hear from Jesus Christ. We prayed for them, and had them personally start seeking the Lord in one way or another (like above) and as we went they were hearing from Him just fine. In fact, I would then point that out to them and they suddenly realize that indeed they had entered into a conversation with Him and could hear from Him. It happened so smoothly and effortlessly that they didn't even realize what was happening as it was happening. They had started a very personal relationship with the Lord, without even thinking about it. There were just asking and hearing, and asking and hearing, and wow!!

You can do this by yourself. He is always with you and so you can always ask Him questions. Yet some questions are harder to believe for than others. And yes, there are some questions that He needs some time before He can get you the answer. For example, people used to come into that ministry I was in and want to know what God wanted them to do. They were expecting an answer like, He expects you to go out into the mission field, but that is not usually how He works! He like to guide us step by step, and He like to get our thoughts on things. So shorten up those type of questions to something like, "Jesus Christ, what do you want me to do next?" and listen for that answer.

Still, He is a person and very personal!! He might joke with you. He might ask you what you want. He might just suddenly tell you He loves you. He loves teaching you things. It is a relationship that I am talking about, and it is very much just that. You will find out that He also loves to ask you questions. They get you thinking and considering things. So He might ask you, "Well, how do you think that went?"

So get in the relationship. You will personally get to know Him, hear from Him, and the day will come when He send angels to also minister to you. You will also become more aware of the battle going on over you. But it all happens by getting to know Him first!