Forgiveness vs Atonement

[Ritajanice]

Actually an even greater honour is to walk where Jesus walked in His eternal light WHERE He is. Few share God's love of Zion where divinity and humanity come into ONE.

I’m already walking in the Spirit, I started doing that as soon as I was birthed in the Spirit......I have come a long way in the Spirit.....I’ve been through the good the bad and the down right ugly.....the Holy Spirit keeps me enduring, I could never in a million years get through what’s been thrown at me over the years...without the Holy Spirit......Praise God...we are forever learning and growing in his Son.....

ZION has got NOTHING to do with being Born Again...in Jesus Name,Amen!!

 

[amigo de christo]

You've just said a mouthful!!

Much love!

What most seem to forget what the fact being BORN again actually means BORN OF THE SPIRIT and TRUTH .
the last time i checked the SPIRIT WOULD have testified OF JESUS CHRIST , not omitted the fact one must believe
nor omitting his teachings either . OF SPIRIT . the SPIRIT is TRUTH . JESUS IS TRUTH .
THus if any spirit , any man cometh and tries to lead the folks astray by saying and by claiming they are OF the SPIRIT
and yet seem To preach rather about how the FLESH of man can save himself and there is no need TO BELIEVE ON JESUS
IT cometh not of the SPIRIT . WHO Do we think the SPIRIT IS . a hint . I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU COMFORTLESS .
The SPIRIT will guide you into all TRUTH . Not into lies of men under the guise of a false unifying love .
RATHER the SPIRIT willl do this , TESTIFY OF JESUS CHRIST . These words can be found all over that bible .
Too many are preaching ideals of lies and false love , IT aint gonna save a one of them either .
FOR NO DELUSION saves any , ONLY THE TRUTH can free one . Now a word . I AM THE TRUTH THE WAY AND THE LIFE
and no man cometh unto the FATHER but by me . Just a super duper dire necessary reminder .
This lamb is at war with a lie that will not save a soul . And though many join as one under it
PERDITION is its end .

 

[Ritajanice]

What most seem to forget what the fact being BORN again actually means BORN OF THE SPIRIT and TRUTH .
the last time i checked the SPIRIT WOULD have testified OF JESUS CHRIST , not omitted the fact one must believe

Only the Spirit can testify of Jesus, that’s his role is to GLORIFY LORD JESUS!

 

[amigo de christo]

This has got nothing to do with God supernaturally birthing us in the Spirit...once we are birthed it’s a one time event.....a mind blowing event, done by God through the Spirit....it’s an Honour and Privilege to be birthed in the Spirit by God.....biggest Honour of anyone’s life..

A Born Again belongs to God...they are his...they can NEVER be un- birthed either...

They sure as heck DONT DENY JESUS as CHRIST either . If any follows another religoin or path
and has denied JESUS is the CHRIST , well i will let john s own words tell us what they are .
WHO is a liar but he that denies that JESUS is the CHRIST , he is anti christ , He has neither the SON nor THE FATHER .
YOU BETT BELEIVE this lamb is a stickler to the TRUE GOSPEL . Which has always stated ONE MUST BELIEVE IN HE WHOM GOD DID send .
Something OL EPI seems to always call religoin and ego . THAT is a mega RED FLAG ALL OUT ALERT that SOMETHING
is dead wrong . No one who is OF CHRIST would ever imply that it is ego , and or religious to remind the world
and all that ONE MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST . TEST the Spirits for indeed many decievers do abound .

 

[amigo de christo]

Only the Spirit can testify of Jesus, that’s his role is to GLORIFY LORD JESUS!

CORRECT , KEY RECT , ABSOLUTELY TRUE .
Thus if any spirit points to budda , muhammed or any other false religion
and says YE dont have to beleive iN JESUS just have love . IT AINT THE SPIRIT at ALL . AND that be a FACT .

 

[marks]

I hear you, God once again has shown me to be polite....he hates my ego and pride....he ignores me when I’m in that state...

Amen! That's something I endeavor to control in myself.

I read something on a car forum, I think it was, I was researching my car, a rule against "Piling On", which was a rule against a post made solely for the purpose of restating or backing another person's post.

And being confronted with that idea, it didn't take much for my mind to extrapolate all sorts of possible posts that don't actually add to a discussion, or bring something to the table.

I found it to be a very practical sort of restatement of the Biblical admonition,

Ephesians 4:29 KJV
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

"Corrupt communication", I think, describes anything that comes from fleshiness, and if we are paying attention to ourselves, we can recognize and delete those things.

1 Peter 4:10-11 KJV
10) As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
11) If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Our speech should be as God's Own Words.

I use two words, for two purposes, one is to communicate to you what I've chosen for you, and the other to remind me that this is so, and give me opportunity to correct anything I should.

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

They sure as heck DONT DENY JESUS as CHRIST either . If any follows another religoin or path
and has denied JESUS is the CHRIST , well i will let john s own words tell us what they are .
WHO is a liar but he that denies that JESUS is the CHRIST , he is anti christ , He has neither the SON nor THE FATHER .
YOU BETT BELEIVE this lamb is a stickler to the TRUE GOSPEL . Which has always stated ONE MUST BELIEVE IN HE WHOM GOD DID send .
Something OL EPI seems to always call religoin and ego . THAT is a mega RED FLAG ALL OUT ALERT that SOMETHING
is dead wrong . No one who is OF CHRIST would ever imply that it is ego , and or religious to remind the world
and all that ONE MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST . TEST the Spirits for indeed many decievers do abound .

I agree and it’s imperative that one is Born Again...he plays this down....I just don’t how anyone can play the spiritual birth/ Born Again down....I know in my heart God has called me to preach this...that’s my belief and like you...I don’t care who it upsets...

My question is why would the words Born Again upset anyone....those words are living words, by the Spirit of God!...Amen!!

 

[amigo de christo]

WOW,,

WOW is RIGHT . We are in an all out battle in these last hours upon the earth .
The lambs stand on the glorious gospel of CHRIST upon HIS WORDS
and shall not buy the lie being sold that is fast gathering all tribes and religoins to be as one .
THE lambs shall stand as all lambs have stood through all ages . POINTING ONLY TO JESUS CHRIST
the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM and to LEARN LOVE AND EMBRACE ALL THINGS HE TAUGHT .
All pure and holy words HE INSPIRED also through the apostels . ALL pure and lovely bibilcal truth .
The lambs SELL NOT THE TRUTH . the lambs CLING TO THE TRUTH and er word of GOD is meat to their soul and as honey
to their taste .

 

[Ritajanice]

Amen! That's something I endeavor to control in myself.

It’s a good trait to have... as soon as my ego and pride take over, it’s all about me, ...and zilch about the Lord....always learning in the Spirit,Brother.

Onwards and upwards in the Lord....

 

[amigo de christo]

I agree and it’s imperative that one is Born Again...he plays this down....I just don’t how anyone can play the spiritual birth/ Born Again down....I know in my heart god has called me to preach this...that’s my belief and like you...I don’t care who it upsets...

My question is why would the words Born Again upset anyone....those words are living words, by the Spirit of God!...Amen!!

DO notice something . He might say things like born again this or that . WHAT HE WONT DO
is say YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST .
He believes any religion is born again so long as it picks up its cross and etc . NOT TRUE at all .
IF one has truly been born again , I PROMISE THEY WOULD HAVE BELEIVED IN JESUS CHRIST
and not have omitted the dire need to BELIEVE ON HIM and try and teach aspects about the truth
yet DENY the fact one must BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . I see many webs getting spun in these final hours .
The webs have one thing in common . THEY NEVER GONNA LEAD ONE TO GOD
and they all come against the fundemental TRUTH one must BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST
and rather imply the idea its not necessary , just love and do good . THAT IS A LIE . it aint love at all .
And it aint gonna save a one of them either . DENY JESUS , HE WILL DENY YOU . JESUS SAID THAT .
IF HE SAID IT , TAKE IT AS TRUTH . FOR HE IS TRUTH .
JESUS Did not come so that man could just go on following whatever path and god they thought was true
and just rather come together as one under a lie .
HE DIDNT DO THAT . HE CAME to set man FREE and no LIE can set a man free . THE TRUTH CAN .
JESUS IS THE TRUTH , HIS EVERY WORD IS TRUTH .

 

[Ritajanice]

DO notice something . He might say things like born again this or that . WHAT HE WONT DO
is say YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST .
He believes any religion is born again so long as it picks up its cross and etc . NOT TRUE at all .
IF one has truly been born again , I PROMISE THEY WOULD HAVE BELEIVED IN JESUS CHRIST
and not have omitted the dire need to BELIEVE ON HIM and try and teach aspects about the truth
yet DENY the fact one must BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . I see many webs getting spun in these final hours .
The webs have one thing in common . THEY NEVER GONNA LEAD ONE TO GOD
and they all come against the fundemental TRUTH one must BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST
and rather imply the idea its not necessary , just love and do good . THAT IS A LIE . it aint love at all .
And it aint gonna save a one of them either . DENY JESUS , HE WILL DENY YOU . JESUS SAID THAT .
IF HE SAID IT , TAKE IT AS TRUTH . FOR HE IS TRUTH .
JESUS Did not come so that man could just go on following whatever path and god they thought was true
and just rather come together as one under a lie .
HE DIDNT DO THAT . HE CAME to set man FREE and no LIE can set a man free . THE TRUTH CAN .
JESUS IS THE TRUTH , HIS EVERY WORD IS TRUTH .

Excellent!....Amen!!

 

[marks]

What people nowadays can't hear is that God wants us to GO TO HIM...before we die.

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

You speak of "going to God", however, the Bible speaks of us being hid with Christ in God. This is one result of our rebirth, that we are immersed into Christ, and are where He is, again, being "hid with Christ in God".

Ephesians 2:5-6 KJV
5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

In Paul's standard fashion, in one passage, he teaches a principle applied to others, and in another passage he applies it personally to himself as well as the others.

He does the same thing in teaching about being crucified with Christ, giving general application teaching in Romans 6, and a personal application in Galatians 2.

If you mean in this way,

Hebrews 4:15-16 KJV
15) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16) Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

This is not teaching we have to enter the heavenlies to find Christ, we have boldness because we are family, our High Priest is one of us, and has made us His brothers.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Onwards and upwards in the Lord....

Farther up, and farther in . . .

Much love!

 

[Ritajanice]

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

You speak of "going to God", however, the Bible speaks of us being hid with Christ in God. This is one result of our rebirth, that we are immersed into Christ, and are where He is, again, being "hid with Christ in God".

Ephesians 2:5-6 KJV
5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

In Paul's standard fashion, in one passage, he teaches a principle applied to others, and in another passage he applies it personally to himself as well as the others.

He does the same thing in teaching about being crucified with Christ, giving general application teaching in Romans 6, and a personal application in Galatians 2.

If you mean in this way,

Hebrews 4:15-16 KJV
15) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16) Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

However this is not teaching we have to enter the heavenlies to find Christ, we have boldness because we are family, our High Priest is one of us, and has made us His brothers.

Much love!

Another excellent post!....Amen!!...Praise God!!

 

[amigo de christo]

Colossians 3:1-4 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

You speak of "going to God", however, the Bible speaks of us being hid with Christ in God. This is one result of our rebirth, that we are immersed into Christ, and are where He is, again, being "hid with Christ in God".

Ephesians 2:5-6 KJV
5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

In Paul's standard fashion, in one passage, he teaches a principle applied to others, and in another passage he applies it personally to himself as well as the others.

He does the same thing in teaching about being crucified with Christ, giving general application teaching in Romans 6, and a personal application in Galatians 2.

If you mean in this way,

Hebrews 4:15-16 KJV
15) For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16) Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

However this is not teaching we have to enter the heavenlies to find Christ, we have boldness because we are family, our High Priest is one of us, and has made us His brothers.

Much love!

He speaks of zion , he says God , only he never implies the absolute dire necessity of having to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
AND YOU aint gonna hear it from him either . I have long watched this man .
The idea is about simply unifying all , and that by a concept THAT WONT SAVE A ONE OF THEM EITHER .
HE speaks often about the cross , aspects about it , aspects about some of the teachings of Christ
and YET has omitted THE DIRE NECESSITY of having to FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
And if one dares to say other religions are false , HE sayeth HOW DARE THEE , WHO MADE YOU A JUDGE
and yet HE omits the GOSPEL ITSELF . I have seen this spiders web my friend .
IT HAS MANY WEBS and all those webs are promised as ways to GOD
and yet IT LEADETH ONLY TO THE SPIDER , the killer of souls , the father of lies .
THERE IS but one way TO GOD . BELIEVE YE IN HIM . JESUS CHRIST and THEN learn of HIM
be in the bible , be growing in grace . POINTING ONLY TO HE as the ONLY SAVOIR OF THE WORLD
and reminding any and all YE MUST BELIEVE .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He speaks of zion , he says God , only he never implies the absolute dire necessity of having to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
AND YOU aint gonna hear it from him either . I have long watched this man .
The idea is about simply unifying all , and that by a concept THAT WONT SAVE A ONE OF THEM EITHER .
HE speaks often about the cross , aspects about it , aspects about some of the teachings of Christ
and YET has omitted THE DIRE NECESSITY of having to FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
And if one dares to say other religions are false , HE sayeth HOW DARE THEE , WHO MADE YOU A JUDGE
and yet HE omits the GOSPEL ITSELF . I have seen this spiders web my friend .
IT HAS MANY WEBS and all those webs are promised as ways to GOD
and yet IT LEADETH ONLY TO THE SPIDER , the killer of souls , the father of lies .
THERE IS but one way TO GOD . BELIEVE YE IN HIM . JESUS CHRIST and THEN learn of HIM
be in the bible , be growing in grace . POINTING ONLY TO HE as the ONLY SAVOIR OF THE WORLD
and reminding any and all YE MUST BELIEVE .

what amazes me is he claimes he has only walked once or twice? Some of his followers said they never have..

what kind of Power does God have if he can not lift us up?

 

[Azim]

Actually an even greater honour is to walk where Jesus walked in His eternal light WHERE He is. Fewer and fewer share God's love of Zion where divinity and humanity come into ONE.

Someone posted scripture yesterday from around John 3:13, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." I would say, the Holy Spirit "clicked" a thought in me, which I hadn't connected or thought of. This is going back to earlier in John 3, where Jesus tells Nicodemus, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Our flesh's natural realm is this earth. So when we walk by the flesh, we are physically walking here. However, if one is born again, they have a spirit given by God, which is from heaven. So then one can say the natural realm for the spirit, is not the earth, but the heavenly realm? So, if one is walking in the spirit, naturaly, they would be walking in the heavenly realm? As that is where the spirit is from? Just some thoughts to share, and see what others think.

 

[Ritajanice]

John 3:3-8

King James Version

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3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

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Romans 8:7-9 New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995(NASB1995)​

because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
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Romans 8:7-9 New Living Translation (NLT)​

For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.)
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[marks]

Someone posted scripture yesterday from around John 3:13, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." I would say, the Holy Spirit "clicked" a thought in me, which I hadn't connected or thought of. This is going back to earlier in John 3, where Jesus tells Nicodemus, "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Our flesh's natural realm is this earth. So when we walk by the flesh, we are physically walking here. However, if one is born again, they have a spirit given by God, which is from heaven. So then one can say the natural realm for the spirit, is not the earth, but the heavenly realm? So, if one is walking in the spirit, naturaly, they would be walking in the heavenly realm? As that is where the spirit is from? Just some thoughts to share, and see what others think.

I believe Scripture does in fact teach us that the celestial realm is the realm in which our spirit lives. Spiritual life and fleshy life are completely different sorts of things.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I believe Scripture does in fact teach us that the celestial realm is the realm in which our spirit lives. Spiritual life and fleshy life are completely different sorts of things.

Much love!

reminds me of this basic truth

Romans 8:10
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.