The 2 Corinthians 5:1 body was given to Lazarus when he came out of Abraham's bosom. This was the body of all the OT redeemed who came out of Abraham's bosom at the Cross. They all ascended in that body on Resurrection Sunday into Paradise, and were the firstfruits of 1 Corinthians 15 presented to God. The first in the order Paul gave. Christ the firstfruits did enter Paradise. All have been entering Paradise with that same body since then. The thief on the Cross entered Paradise with that physical body. That body is as physical as this one, but of incorruptible life. Our current body of corruptible death returns to the dust.
When they came out of their graves it was not the bones of their dead flesh. It was that permanent body mentioned in 2 Corinthians 5:1. That body was not waiting in heaven for those in Abraham's bosom. It was in Paradise for the thief on the Cross. That body has been, and is currently, what the NT redeemed arrive in when the soul enters Paradise. That body has not always been in Paradise. It is put on when the soul arrives though. That body was put on the souls of those walking out of their graves at the point Jesus declared it was finished.
The spirit on the other hand waits in heaven at the point of conception on earth. We are spiritually dead, so separated from our spirit. Our spirit is not dead. That would be the point one is cast into the LOF, the second death. A reprobate soul would be a demon. I don't see demons being redeemed nor the soul whose spirit has become demonic.
The point of glorification is the body putting on the spirit, and we are no longer spiritually dead, but alive. Paul states this mortal putting on immortality. Or death putting on life. That only happens once. Those glorified wait in Paradise until the NHNE, and descend in the New Jerusalem.
What is happening in 1 Thes 4:16-17?
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and
the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then
we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
What is being raised at the last day?
John 6:40 "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."
The time of Jacob's trouble is the GT.
Agreed.
The time of the Trumpets and Thunders.
Thunders take place during the GT, the trumpets extend before and after the GT
The final harvest. The firstfruits of the final harvest are the 144k. The final harvest is the sheep of Israel and the wheat of all other nations.
The final harvest takes place after the GT, during the time of God's wrath (the 7 bowls).
I agree with the firstfuits and I won't argue against the final harvest although I have never described them as such.
These are redeemed, given that 2 Corinthians 5:1 body, and live on the earth for the Millennium. They are not glorified.
Given that redeemed body, but not glorified? I don't understand this at all. Why do you conclude this?
They are the first generation of those filling the earth.
Why do you think this?
People still live on the earth as nations surrounding the New Jerusalem. I think the earth will be way larger than current earth.
People will survive Jesus' return. The New Jerusalem doesn't come down until a new earth is created. This earth will be the same size when Jesus returns. I don't know how big it will be when it is recreated.
That is the only story of redemption I see revealed in the book of Revelation. The OT was the first presentation. The entire church glorified are the Second Coming is the next presentation. The 3rd and final presentation is the entire creation presented at the end of the Day of the Lord. It will be perfect and whole.
Man is saved by grace through faith. The OT saints had faith through creation. NT saints have faith through Jesus. Jesus redeemed us to God by paying the price for our sin through his sacrifice. Our spirits are redeemed when we accept this about Jesus. Our bodies will be redeemed when Jesus returns. In the NHNE, it is a whole new creation and I don't know how redemption will work then.
The Day of the Lord is a term used to describe God's judgment. God has and will continue to judge the earth. The Day of the Lord came upon Israel when the Babylonians defeated them. Another Day of the Lord will come when God judges those who have been killing his people, Jews and Christians. There will be still another Day of the Lord when our current heaven and earth pass away or dissolve in fervent heat. The NHNE will start perfect and whole just like our creation did, but sin will enter there as well.
The 70th week is divided among two interpretations. One saying it was over in the first century. The other that it is the last 7 years before the Second Coming. Gabriel pointed out the 70th week was both. 3.5 years as Messiah. 3.5 years as the Prince to come. Jesus Christ the King is the 70th week. Jesus will be on earth for the final harvest and the time of Jacob's trouble. It will not be 3.5 years, because Jesus said that time would be shortened. It could be a year, a month, a day, or an hour.
Israel was to be punished for its sin for 70 years under the reign of Babylon. Since it did not repent, Israel's punishment was multiplied by 7 according to the law, 490 years. The final 7 years is the last years of Israel's punishment before it turns to God.
During the first 3.5 years, Israel will make a peace treaty and a new Roman Empire of 10 nations will form. Spiritually, the Prince of Rome (just as there is a prince of Greece and a prince of Magog) makes this happen in the physical realm.
During the last 3.5 years, antichrist will take over the new Roman Empire by destroying the kings of Rome, Israel, and Egypt. This is the GT.
This period of time would have continued if God did not intervene by making his 2 witnesses rise from the dead and ascend into heaven, ending or cutting short the period of GT. The 7 bowls, God's wrath, follow this event.
"And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men."
This is spiritual force behind the army of antichrist. When the army comes down from the Euphrates River to Jerusalem, the GT begins.
Remember that Jesus said the angels gather the tares and cast them into the fire. They are prepared to do this for as long as it takes. The shortest period is an hour.
These are the people who gather at Armageddon to fight against God when he comes.
When the 7th Trumpet sounds that is the end of the final harvest.
That is the end of the GT. God's wrath has not been poured out at this point.
The end of Adam's punishment of sin and death by sin.
God will restore earth by the end of his 1000-year reign on earth.
Yet something is still decided in the days (a week of days) of the 7th Trumpet.
This is the time of God's wrath, likely 75 days from Daniel 12.
A 42 month extension may be granted to Satan so those beheaded can choose between life and death during those 42 months. The gleanings and left overs of the final harvest.
Satan will still be active on earth for those extra 75 days. Christians will still die during that time, but they won't be able to go to heaven because heaven is closed while the 7 bowls are poured out. They will be part of the first resurrection, but they won't come with Jesus. That's why 2 groups are mentioned in the 1st resurrection.
Jesus and the 144k wait on heavenly mount Zion for those 42 months. The sheep and wheat wait on the sea of glass for those 42 months. After the 42 months is when they return to Armageddon in Revelation 19 to defeat those still alive on earth and the Millennial Kingdom is finally realized.
Change the 42 months to 75 days and we agree.