OSAS being False Doctrine!
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Water baptism was very familiar throughout the gospels. John baptized as did Jesus and His disciples. In fact in John 3 right after the discussion with Nicodemus, Jesus is said to, along with his disciples, have gone into the Judean countryside baptizing. Clearly that was water baptism. Likely to those to whom Jesus was preaching and teaching, water baptism was the first and most obvious meaning of what water would mean.
I would point out one other important feature in John 3:5. In the Greek it does not say "born of water and the Spirit"; rather, it says "born of water and Spirit", suggesting no real distinction between the two.
John 3:1-21
English Standard Version
You Must Be Born Again
3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus[a] by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God.”4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[c] 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[d] must be born again.’ 8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”Why is it that the natural man Cannot understand the word of God?
NASB But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Nothing NEW since the Beginning ~
ManKIND is skeptical of what he cannot See.
ManKIND is intrigued by what he Does See.
ManKIND receives Knowledge bit by bit.
ManKIND cannot See God as He IS; “Spirit”.
ManKIND is Foretold, of Gods Promise to Do.
ManKIND is given “glimpses” bit by bit of Gods POWER.
ManKIND’s SIN Against God IS:
* UNBELIEF.
ManKIND’s SIN Against God IS:
* ONLY forgiven BY God.
ManKIND’s restoration, saving, covering, sanctification, quickening, justification, washing, cleansing, testing, making:
IS ONLY by, through, of “I AM”,
who IS He,
Who IS Spirit,
Who IS Without Beginning,
Who IS Without Ending,
Who IS Forever the Same.
who IS the Creator AND Maker,
who IS His OWN Word,
who IS His OWN Wisdom,
who IS His OWN Power,
who IS His Own Counselor,
Who IS Giver and Taker of natural Life.
Who IS Truth, IS Life, IS Just.
Who CAN NOT Lie.
Who CAN NOT “give” spiritual life and then KILL that Spirit Life!
Men ARE “liars”…killers of Gods Truth.
Men ARE “murderers”…of Gods Word
Men ARE “cheaters”…following after satan.
Men ARE “thieves”…giving others credit for Gods Works.
Men WHO LIE Against Gods Word, are murdering Gods Truth, same as their “father” Lucifer did.
Water baptism, men, trinkets, doing good deeds, eating bread, drinking wine, rituals, ceremonies, traditions, wearing long robes, wearing tall headwear, wearing jewelry, sitting in a man-made church, carrying a Bible, Reading the Bible, bowing before statues, calling on dead people, praying to people, praying to saints, accusing men, blessing men, speaking FOR other men, forgiving men their trespasses, Aiding a neighbor, Aiding an enemy (on and on);
DO NOT / DOES NOT Sanctify a man!
God DOES NOT Sanctify a man and then “unsanctify” a man.
^ THAT is utterly Corrupt and Against Gods OWN teaching.
Glory to God,
Taken
ManKIND is skeptical of what he cannot See.
ManKIND is intrigued by what he Does See.
ManKIND receives Knowledge bit by bit.
ManKIND cannot See God as He IS; “Spirit”.
ManKIND is Foretold, of Gods Promise to Do.
ManKIND is given “glimpses” bit by bit of Gods POWER.
ManKIND’s SIN Against God IS:
* UNBELIEF.
ManKIND’s SIN Against God IS:
* ONLY forgiven BY God.
ManKIND’s restoration, saving, covering, sanctification, quickening, justification, washing, cleansing, testing, making:
IS ONLY by, through, of “I AM”,
who IS He,
Who IS Spirit,
Who IS Without Beginning,
Who IS Without Ending,
Who IS Forever the Same.
who IS the Creator AND Maker,
who IS His OWN Word,
who IS His OWN Wisdom,
who IS His OWN Power,
who IS His Own Counselor,
Who IS Giver and Taker of natural Life.
Who IS Truth, IS Life, IS Just.
Who CAN NOT Lie.
Who CAN NOT “give” spiritual life and then KILL that Spirit Life!
Men ARE “liars”…killers of Gods Truth.
Men ARE “murderers”…of Gods Word
Men ARE “cheaters”…following after satan.
Men ARE “thieves”…giving others credit for Gods Works.
Men WHO LIE Against Gods Word, are murdering Gods Truth, same as their “father” Lucifer did.
Water baptism, men, trinkets, doing good deeds, eating bread, drinking wine, rituals, ceremonies, traditions, wearing long robes, wearing tall headwear, wearing jewelry, sitting in a man-made church, carrying a Bible, Reading the Bible, bowing before statues, calling on dead people, praying to people, praying to saints, accusing men, blessing men, speaking FOR other men, forgiving men their trespasses, Aiding a neighbor, Aiding an enemy (on and on);
DO NOT / DOES NOT Sanctify a man!
God DOES NOT Sanctify a man and then “unsanctify” a man.
^ THAT is utterly Corrupt and Against Gods OWN teaching.
Glory to God,
Taken
You are appealing to 1 Corinthians 2 for that response. But the entire chapter 2 is Paul's defense of his own divine inspiration. Those who would claim special divine implanted knowledge and insight from that passage are just wrong. It is obvious that such illumination being claimed is false since so many claiming such understanding strongly disagree. God would not do such a thing.
The "natural person" in 1 Corinthians 2 is not the unregenerated; rather he is the non-divinely inspired.
When Paul said in 1 Corinthians 2:16 "But we have the mind of Christ", he was referring to himself and the rest of the divinely inspired apostles and prophets. You are not one of them.
The natural person is what God says they are....not what you say.
Those who are natural as in me at one time, are those without the Spirit.
So NO..I don’t agree with any of your theology.....it’s natural Imo....
You must be Born of God/ Born Again....otherwise you are natural man....in darkness and sin....DEAD in other words.
You will never understand the Bible....without the Spirit/of God...
Therefore Born Again....which for some reason you’re having difficulty on what it means to be birthed in the Spirit.
You seem to believe you must be baptised in water and spirit, then one is Born Again....which is NOT biblical.
You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom of God.....very true...then we receive those precious eyes and ears...via the Holy Spirit.
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Your definition of the natural person in 1 Corinthians 2 is your own, not Paul's. As I said, your definition is easily proven to be wrong since there is so much disagreement between the knowledge of those proclaiming their knowledge comes from God. What you are espousing is commonly known as the doctrine of illumination. It is a false doctrine.
Do not believe anyone who would say, "God told me personally.....".
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define what you mean by osas.
are you saying a person who is saved, born again, a new creation in Christ can become unborn, no longer a new creation and lose eternal life ? If eternal life can be lost then all the promises of Christ are a lie and the same with the Apostles. Romans 8 becomes a lie and Paul was deceived and gave believers a false hope.
Romans 8- Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”[j]
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
if so then your salvation is based upon works and not faith. we are saved by faith apart from the works of the law by which no man will be justified.
hope this helps !!!
I am Born Again....I was once a natural person, void of the Spirit of God....therefore in darkness and sin....
God birthed me SUPERNATURALLY in the Spirit......therefore now in God’s Kingdom....Alive in the Spirit of Christ.
NASB But a natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The natural man is alienated from God...until they are birthed by his Spirit.....
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Your definition of the natural man is your own...therefore natural.
Plus this post of your doesn’t make sense...as it’s said imo....in the natural sense..
You imo are so deceived...
The natural man is he who lives his life without any reference to spiritual truth. He could have common sense, academic acumen, or business success. But without the Spirit of God he is without divine input, insight, or wisdom
That’s why we must be Born Again....for without the Spirit of God...it’s just human nature talk.....
God testifies with our spirit that we are his children all day every day?
From day one of the supernatural spiritual birth....
I believe God...not you......God’s word is Alive and Active..there is no mistaking it!!
Natural mans word is “ DEAD”...
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It is through faith that we receive salvation. We can lose that salvation if we no longer have faith.
You apparently do not understand what Paul is telling you in that passage. And you do not have divine input, insight or wisdom. If you think you do, you would be woefully mistaken.
I am Born Again...I have the Spirit of God in my spirit?
Of course I have divine understanding, I’m Born Again, in the Kingdom of God...I received those spiritual eyes and ears on my being birthed in the Spirit ?
Only a Born Again can see the Kingdom of God?
You teach manmade theology....which is void of any truth..it’s lies.
How else would I know that I’m Born Again...if God didn’t testify that with our spirit....that came from the divine one God...via the Holy Spirit.....which our spirit understands...
Why...because God’s word is Alive and Active...the Holy Spirit speaks to our spirit....you know that right?
We’re in the world, but, we’re not of the world..why is that?
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mailmandan
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John 7:38 - He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit.. (no distinction?)
- John 17:3
And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. - John 6:44
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. - Romans 8:7-10
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. - Matthew 6:31-34
'Therefore do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
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