The Last Generation IS the Generation of the Parable of A Fig Tree

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The problem is that the chosen generation is not limited to any single generation of what you reckon as 40 years. I believe most people get caught up in trying to determine whether or not we are near to the Lord returning. Most readily accept that Christ came with His Kingdom, and that His Kingdom is not physical but spiritual, and can only be known and entered by those who have been born again of His Spirit (Jo 3)

We know the chosen generation was those being addressed. It is through the parable of the fig tree beginning to show life again after it had been cursed never to have life again, that we understand the first century Jewish believers were "a chosen generation" a remnant. If they are the beginning of a chosen generation, would not every new Christian become part of the chosen generation as the Kingdom of God continues to grow? In that way the chosen generation that began with a remnant from the fig tree would be "this generation" that shall never pass until all things be fulfilled.
Well in hindsight,

People go and do the work of God, and you cant just right offly dismiss the people addressed.

Therefore the generation which Jesus came back was the bride, the chosen generation and the other generation was destined for destruction brought on by the promises of God for their backslidding.

It's all the same within the generation proclaimed by Christ.

People still become part of the Kingdom, so I dont see a problem, they still do the will of God, by virtue of letting him work through them.
 
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Well in hindsight,

People go and do the work of God, and you cant just right offly dismiss the people addressed.

Therefore the generation which Jesus came back was the bride, the chosen generation and the other generation was destined for destruction brought on by the promises of God for their backslidding.

People still become part of the Kingdom, so I dont see a problem, they still do the will of God, by virtue of letting him work through them.
Indeed there is a true KINGDOM OF GOD .
And i john saw no temple therein for GOD and the LAMB are the temple thereof .......
ABOUT HIGH TIME folks start preaching the aboslute DIRE NEED for them false religoins to repent and to BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST
And since lambs know GOD is not , HIS CHRIST is not the ministir of sin
well they wont heed a rainbow jesus either .
 
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This generation" means that generation to whom He was speaking.
"That generation" refers to a generation many centuries distant.
“This generation” “that generation” …this or that generation will not pass until all theses things be fulfilled could be the passing from the generation of “slaves” under guardians and managers “until the date set by his father”
Galatians 4:1-7 I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave, though he is the owner of everything, [2] but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. [3] In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world. [4] But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, [5] to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. [6] And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" [7] So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

To me there is:
Under guardians and managers until the time set by his father. Who is “his father”? Jesus told the Pharisees they didn’t know who their father was. “Slaves” an heir no different than a slave, enslaved to the elementary principles of the world

But when the time comes : But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, [5] to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. , God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" [7] So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

To me that clarified two obvious generations…either a slave under that or this generation of “enslaved” to the elementary principles of this world.
Or at the time appointed of the Father “no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.” Paul spoke of that weak brother in the temple too afraid to eat …Paul referred to that weak brother as a child, as one yet without that knowledge and weak and fearful of “guardians and managers” …a weak brother “enslaved to the elemental principles of this world” where if he (Paul destroyed his weaker brother) yet still “enslaved” “for whom Christ died” then he destroyed Christ. Then the passage of “come let us take and destroy the heir” is a warning to Paul/Saul to not destroy but to save. In those who are strong ought to support “bear up” those who are weak which definition is “feeble minded” unto those weak and beggarly things.

Are we slaves (enslaved) to the elemental principles of “this world”? “This “age” “the principles of “this life” or
Passed from that generation, this generation of elementary principles where you are in need managers and guardians…unto “no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then a heir through God”? There are whole threads of “generation” of darkness, of death, of sin unto death in “come let us take and kill the heir” as Paul warned against to “kill an heir for whom Christ died” or still “weak” under managers and guardians…or passed from darkness unto Light, having passed from death unto Life…either sin unto death…or obedience unto Christ. There is a shout of “Come let us take and kill the heir for whom Christ died” does anyone model what Paul taught concerning his weak brother still enslaved to the elementary principles of “this life”? It seems nonexistent….if there is a real example of Christ speaking in someone …Christ spoke loud and clear through Paul: “don’t harm the child” still nursing on milk, grow the child “unto able to bear the meat”! God’s Love perfected in you…for “My love is made perfect in weakness” that which is less honorable is necessary in the body, that those claiming to be strong bear those up who are weak, like a parent carry a bundled suckling infant on their back or cradled close to their chest, until their legs grow strong enough to stand.
 
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"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." (Matt 24:34 KJV)
"Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways." (Heb 3:10 KJV)

"This generation" means that generation to whom He was speaking.
"That generation" refers to a generation many centuries distant.

"Truly I tell you: the present generation will live to see it all." (Matt 24:34 REB)
"I tell you in solemn truth that the present generation will certainly not pass away without all these things having first taken place." (Matt 24:34 Weymouth)

"So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." (Matt 24:33 KJV)

When you keep in mind, that Jesus was speaking to Jews who would be familiar with the apocalyptic language often used in prophecy as found in the Jewish Bible, the OT; keeping that in mind, indeed they saw "all these things" which had been given in the preceding.
In addition to what you wrote, we should also pay close attention to all second person personal pronouns ("you") Jesus used in the preceding verses. If he was talking about a generation other than his own, then why wouldn't he have used third person pronouns? I count about 13 second person pronouns, excluding the "your" in v.20. Therefore, everything above v.35 has been fulfilled. In fact, "this generation" was the last half of Daniel's 70th Week in which the destruction of Jerusalem and temple was to occur.
 

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People also have to incorpate who is being spoken to of those letters.

“Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the choice sojourners of the dispersion of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, according to a foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, to obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied!”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭YLT98‬‬

You cant have one verse without incorperating the other, @rwb
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Romans 9:20-27 reads

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

To God Be The Glory
 

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Romans 9:20-27 reads

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

To God Be The Glory
What about it? Many people today are part of being in the Kingdom of God by adoption, part of Spiritual Israel, Heavenly Jerusalem, which is by faith,in the Son of God. Jesus was promised to come, and he did so to gather he bride and bring forth, The wrath of God which was carried out upon those who were going to suffer on the wrath of God, it was forewarned in the Old Testament, that would be the material nation of Israel which was destroyed in 70Ad, establishing the new covenant forever more through Christ which people enter into once again because of God translated them from the power of Darkness to Kingdom of his Son.

Indeed God has done so much he deserves the glory no matter what circumstance a person may be enduring in their life.
 

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Be watching and be ready for ye know not the hour your LORD does come .
Even now we have many antichrists even leading alot of christendom .
whereby we know it be the last time . If ye will not watch i shall come upon thee as thief ..............
It's that line Jesus said that if we don't 'watch', then His coming will be unto us 'as a thief'. His coming is not supposed be to us "as a thief".

Study the Book of Isaiah, because that is one of the Books of the prophets that Lord Jesus was pulling from about that "as a thief" idea. His coming is supposed to be a surprise upon the wicked and deceived who don't know to 'watch', nor what to be watching. It's not supposed to catch us, His Church, by surprise, even though we still cannot know the day of His coming.

But we can... know the 'season' of His future coming. That's why He gave us the SIGNS of the end leading up to His future return. And He 'commanded' us to 'watch' those SIGNS. This also is why Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5 told the brethren there that he had no need to tell them about the "times and the seasons", because they already knew that the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night." Paul told them that 'day' was not to take them by surprise.

Therefore... when some preach that we can't know the day or hour of Christ's coming, so just 'be ready', that's not good enough, because Jesus commanded for us to be 'watching', lest His coming take us by surprise "as a thief". And He was talking about 'watching' those SIGNS He gave in His Olivet discourse...

Mark 13:35-37
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
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And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
KJV
 

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It's that line Jesus said that if we don't 'watch', then His coming will be unto us 'as a thief'. His coming is not supposed be to us "as a thief".

Study the Book of Isaiah, because that is one of the Books of the prophets that Lord Jesus was pulling from about that "as a thief" idea. His coming is supposed to be a surprise upon the wicked and deceived who don't know to 'watch', nor what to be watching. It's not supposed to catch us, His Church, by surprise, even though we still cannot know the day of His coming.

But we can... know the 'season' of His future coming. That's why He gave us the SIGNS of the end leading up to His future return. And He 'commanded' us to 'watch' those SIGNS. This also is why Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5 told the brethren there that he had no need to tell them about the "times and the seasons", because they already knew that the "day of the Lord" will come "as a thief in the night." Paul told them that 'day' was not to take them by surprise.

Therefore... when some preach that we can't know the day or hour of Christ's coming, so just 'be ready', that's not good enough, because Jesus commanded for us to be 'watching', lest His coming take us by surprise "as a thief". And He was talking about 'watching' those SIGNS He gave in His Olivet discourse...

Mark 13:35-37
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
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And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
KJV
Thus be watching lest His coming IS UNTO us as a theif . the message is BE WATCHING .
could you not watch one hour , pray that ye enter not into temptation .
PS , we cannot know the day or the hour davy . no man does . no not even the angels .
IF A DATE setter appears , THEY FALSE . too bad some didnt heed that warning . WE GOT two groups
that came out of date setters and both them groups were and still are bad news .
 
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Thus be watching lest His coming IS UNTO us as a theif . the message is BE WATCHING .
could you not watch one hour , pray that ye enter not into temptation .
PS , we cannot know the day or the hour davy . no man does . no not even the angels .
IF A DATE setter appears , THEY FALSE . too bad some didnt heed that warning . WE GOT two groups
that came out of date setters and both them groups were and still are bad news .
Keeping His commandment for us to WATCH has nothing to do with knowing the day or hour of His coming. I had already said that no man can know the day our hour.

But knowing the "times and the seasons", like Paul said to the Thessalonians already knowing about, that's different (1 Thessalonians 5).

Jesus gave us 7 main SIGNS of the end leading up to His future return in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. They are... the SEALS of Rev.6.

THAT... is what we are supposed to be WATCHING, per His command. I can't make it any more simple than that.

So why not study those Bible Chapters I mentioned above, and check me out in them, instead of just pushing opinions of men?
 

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Keeping His commandment for us to WATCH has nothing to do with knowing the day or hour of His coming. I had already said that no man can know the day our hour.

But knowing the "times and the seasons", like Paul said to the Thessalonians already knowing about, that's different (1 Thessalonians 5).

Jesus gave us 7 main SIGNS of the end leading up to His future return in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. They are... the SEALS of Rev.6.

THAT... is what we are supposed to be WATCHING, per His command. I can't make it any more simple than that.

So why not study those Bible Chapters I mentioned above, and check me out in them, instead of just pushing opinions of men?
Watching can be seen in the garden . Remember JESUS had told them to pray ,
he finds them slouching at rest and not in prayer and said COULD YOU NOT WATCH ONE HOUR
SO yeah i know it entails actually being diligent in the things of the LORD .
 
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PS , dont confuse that with being diligent with the watch tower or other mens doctrines . IN THE THINGS OF THE LORD .
ps the POPE , the watchtower , the mormon camp and scores of others are in deadly danger and being decieved big time .
 
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Brethren, you do realize that when Lord Jesus commanded us to WATCH, He was speaking of those SIGNS of the end He had just given while upon the Mount of Olives in that very Mark 13 Chapter, right? Who doesn't understand this point?


Here's another example Jesus gave us in Matthew 24 about WATCHING those SIGNS of the end...

Matt 24:42-47
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this,
that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

In the above, Lord Jesus is using the idea of a thief breaking into your home at night, and you were not standing 'watch', so your house was broken up. Jesus is comparing the act of us WATCHING to prevent that thief from breaking in! It's a METAPHOR though, that's how He is using it.

In Revelation 16:15, Jesus warned that He comes "as a thief", and blessed are those who WATCH, and keep their garments (future white robes), unless they walk naked and in shame, (spiritually when He returns).

It means we are supposed to recognize in what 'WATCH' His coming is, pointing to the idea of a 'season', like Apostle Paul pointed in 1 Thess.5 with the idea of "the times and the seasons". Apostle Paul even gave us another SIGN of the end in that 1 Thess.5 chapter, with the wicked who will be saying, "Peace and safety" at the end.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Blessed is that servant that Jesus when He comes, finds doing what?? WATCHING those SIGNS of the end He gave us in those Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, and Revelation 6 Scriptures!

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV
 

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Brethren, you do realize that when Lord Jesus commanded us to WATCH, He was speaking of those SIGNS of the end He had just given while upon the Mount of Olives in that very Mark 13 Chapter, right? Who doesn't understand this point?


Here's another example Jesus gave us in Matthew 24 about WATCHING those SIGNS of the end...

Matt 24:42-47
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this,
that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

In the above, Lord Jesus is using the idea of a thief breaking into your home at night, and you were not standing 'watch', so your house was broken up. Jesus is comparing the act of us WATCHING to prevent that thief from breaking in! It's a METAPHOR though, that's how He is using it.

In Revelation 16:15, Jesus warned that He comes "as a thief", and blessed are those who WATCH, and keep their garments (future white robes), unless they walk naked and in shame, (spiritually when He returns).

It means we are supposed to recognize in what 'WATCH' His coming is, pointing to the idea of a 'season', like Apostle Paul pointed in 1 Thess.5 with the idea of "the times and the seasons". Apostle Paul even gave us another SIGN of the end in that 1 Thess.5 chapter, with the wicked who will be saying, "Peace and safety" at the end.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

Blessed is that servant that Jesus when He comes, finds doing what?? WATCHING those SIGNS of the end He gave us in those Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, and Revelation 6 Scriptures!

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV
Then allow some parting words. THISIS THE LAST GENERATION .
 
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I have to believe then, that those who cannot grasp that when Lord Jesus commanded us to WATCH, He meant the very SIGNS of the end He gave in His Olivet discourse, and in His Book of Revelation, that those not understanding that, have been EXPOSED to men's false doctrine of a Pre-trib Rapture theory.

Those pushing man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory are AGAINST Christ's command to be 'watching' those SIGNS of the end He gave in His Olivet discourse. They even claim most of His Olivet discourse was not written to His Church, but only to His Apostles with him while upon the Mount of Olives, which that is a LIE by the false doctors of the Pre-trib Rapture theory!

Know what else? Those pushing that false Pre-trib Rapture theory also BYPASS what Apostle Paul taught in those first verses of 1 Thessalonians 5, especially where Paul tells the Thessalonians that he had no to tell them of the "times and the seasons", because they already knew them Paul said. Pre-trib Rapture preachers instead throw that "as a thief" idea around, and then immediately shoot to 1 Thess.5:9 where Paul said the Church is not appointed to "wrath". And they don't even know which "wrath" Paul was pointing to, simply because they BYPASSED the 1 Thess.5:1-8 verses! Paul was pointing to GOD's cup of Wrath poured on the last day of this world!
 

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Thus be watching lest His coming IS UNTO us as a theif . the message is BE WATCHING .
could you not watch one hour , pray that ye enter not into temptation .
PS , we cannot know the day or the hour davy . no man does . no not even the angels .
IF A DATE setter appears , THEY FALSE . too bad some didnt heed that warning . WE GOT two groups
that came out of date setters and both them groups were and still are bad news .
That "hour" you speak of in the garden is symbolic of the 'one hour' at the end of this world, the time of "great tribulation". That is what Jesus is pointing to.

Matt 20:10-16
10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12
Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
16
So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
KJV

Rev 17:12
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings
one hour with the beast.
KJV
 
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I have to believe then, that those who cannot grasp that when Lord Jesus commanded us to WATCH, He meant the very SIGNS of the end He gave in His Olivet discourse, and in His Book of Revelation, that those not understanding that, have been EXPOSED to men's false doctrine of a Pre-trib Rapture theory.

Those pushing man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory are AGAINST Christ's command to be 'watching' those SIGNS of the end He gave in His Olivet discourse. They even claim most of His Olivet discourse was not written to His Church, but only to His Apostles with him while upon the Mount of Olives, which that is a LIE by the false doctors of the Pre-trib Rapture theory!

Know what else? Those pushing that false Pre-trib Rapture theory also BYPASS what Apostle Paul taught in those first verses of 1 Thessalonians 5, especially where Paul tells the Thessalonians that he had no to tell them of the "times and the seasons", because they already knew them Paul said. Pre-trib Rapture preachers instead throw that "as a thief" idea around, and then immediately shoot to 1 Thess.5:9 where Paul said the Church is not appointed to "wrath". And they don't even know which "wrath" Paul was pointing to, simply because they BYPASSED the 1 Thess.5:1-8 verses! Paul was pointing to GOD's cup of Wrath poured on the last day of this world!
You barking up the wrong tree my dear dear friend , if you think even for a second that this man IS PRE TRIB .
That boat dont float . some of us actually read THE BIBLE for ourselves .
THE COMING OF JESUS CHRIST is A ONE TIME EVENT . ONE TIME . and tribulations have been agaisnt the church through all ages ,
but what is bout to STRIKE will the bloodiest hour the lambs have ever seen . GREAT tribulation cometh for the lambs
and we had better be prepared to lose all and not to love our lives even unto death .
 
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PS , dont confuse that with being diligent with the watch tower or other mens doctrines . IN THE THINGS OF THE LORD .
ps the POPE , the watchtower , the mormon camp and scores of others are in deadly danger and being decieved big time .
Don't know who you are talking to there, because I ain't no Mormon, nor JW, nor SDA, nor Catholic, nor Jew.

Stick to your Bible instead of trying to push things you don't know much about.
 

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You barking up the wrong tree my dear dear friend , if you think even for a second that this man IS PRE TRIB .
That boat dont float . some of us actually read THE BIBLE for ourselves .
THE COMING OF JESUS CHRIST is A ONE TIME EVENT . ONE TIME . and tribulations have been agaisnt the church through all ages ,
but what is bout to STRIKE will the bloodiest hour the lambs have ever seen . GREAT tribulation cometh for the lambs
and we had better be prepared to lose all and not to love our lives even unto death .
You certainly do seem to do your best in pushing Christ's command to WATCH away... from those Bible Chapters where He said it. So what else am I to think?