Romans 11 and the real Replacement Theology

[Gabriel _Arch]

I was in agreement until you say the righteousness of God through faith was ever promised to ethnic Israel. The promise of righteousness of God through faith is only for those of ethnic Israel of faith. That's why Paul writes the hardness to them is only in part, because those of faith are not in hardness and unbelief as are those are. Paul NEVER says the partial hardening in part of ethnic Israel shall be lifted when the fullness of Gentiles is complete. Paul says only that Israel of faith shall be complete by the fullness of Gentiles grafted into the good olive tree (Christ), and that is how "all Israel" of faith shall be saved. It is in this manner, or this is how the spiritual Kingdom of God shall be completed,, through the Gentiles of faith being grafted into the Kingdom of God with Jews of faith for they are the "Israel of God."


God has never promised eternal life to anyone who is not of faith! The only part of ethnic Israel promised God's mercy are those of faith! God has not promised to restore the ethnic nation called Israel. Paul does not say they would be restored in this age or the one to come.



Nowhere does Paul say that ethnic Israel now and past in unbelief shall one day be saved by believing in their Messiah! If mankind is not saved by grace through faith before the sounding of the seventh trumpet, whosoever is still in unbelief then, will be utterly destroyed by the fire of God that shall come down from heaven. They will not be another opportunity for Israel in unbelief or anyone else still in unbelief to be saved when time given this earth is finished, and Christ returns for His people.



Where in this verse does Paul say the partial hardening of ethnic Israel shall be removed? He does not say this! Paul writes only that "all Israel" that shall be saved is when the fullness of Gentiles has come in with them. IOW when the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven that is now being built as the Gospel is proclaimed unto all the nations of the world in the power of the Holy Spirit is complete, then "all Israel shall be saved", NOT an ethnic people but ALL people of faith.

Romans 11:25-26 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Paul has already said it was his desire that SOME of his ethnic seed might be saved. It was through the diminishing of Israel in unbelief that brought riches (salvation) to the Gentiles that might bring fullness to his countrymen of faith. How? By preaching salvation through Christ to Gentiles and some of them too being saved, Paul's biological seeds would be provoked to emulate the Gentiles of faith as they too now proclaim Christ unto Jews in unbelief. Through the Gospel proclaimed by Gentiles of faith to unbelieving Jews, which is where the proclamation of the Gospel began, through Gentiles of faith, SOME, not ALL of ethnic Israel in unbelief might turn from unbelief to believing in Christ for eternal life.

Romans 11:12-14 (KJV) Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.



The prophecy of Daniel was fulfilled when Christ came. There is no mention of a seven year agreement with Israel and some Antichrist, nor is there a last seven years to begin.



When the fullness of the Gentiles is complete, the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven shall be complete and the seventh and final trumpet shall sound and time given this earth shall be no longer. Today is the time for be saved. If mankind from any nation is not saved before time given this earth expires, there is no more hope for them. Now, since the advent of Christ coming to earth a man, is the time for salvation.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Everything in that article I linked in full is Biblical and of God.
The heart of the antisemite racist is hardened and shall never comprehend the truth of God in Christ because they have never actually read God's word.

Those that have read God's word know the truth.

"Ethnic Israel"? Everytime you and your kind here write those words as you deny God's word you all make a fool of yourselves. While proving to us again and again your words are not of God.

 

[rwb]

Everything in that article I linked in full is Biblical and of God.
The heart of the antisemite racist is hardened and shall never comprehend the truth of God in Christ because they have never actually read God's word.

Those that have read God's word know the truth.

"Ethnic Israel"? Everytime you and your kind here write those words as you deny God's word you all make a fool of yourselves. While proving to us again and again your words are not of God.

Excuse me, but since we are pointing our finger against another Christian, let me remind you that three fingers are pointing back at you! I don't appreciate being referred to as antisemitic! My Saviour came to earth, being born of the Jewish tribe of Judah! I hold no animosity toward Jews in unbelief. What I do hold animosity toward is Zionism, because Zionists, like yourself are NOT friends of Israel in unbelief! You are among their most vehement enemies, because you tell them they can remain in their state of unbelief NOW, but it's okay, because Christ will save them anyway! Why do you feel vindicated in telling unbelievers they may remain in unbelief when Scripture clearly tells us that ALL without exception who remain in unbelief shall be damned, not saved? So let me return you kind words upon you...."you and your kind here write those words as you deny God's Word you all make a fool of yourselves"!

 

[covenantee]

"Ethnic Israel"? Everytime you and your kind here write those words as you deny God's word you all make a fool of yourselves. While proving to us again and again your words are not of God.

Would you rather he used "children of the flesh, who are not the children of God"? Romans 9:8

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Excuse me, but since we are pointing our finger against another Christian, let me remind you that three fingers are pointing back at you! I don't appreciate being referred to as antisemitic! My Saviour came to earth, being born of the Jewish tribe of Judah! I hold no animosity toward Jews in unbelief. What I do hold animosity toward is Zionism, because Zionists, like yourself are NOT friends of Israel in unbelief! You are among their most vehement enemies, because you tell them they can remain in their state of unbelief NOW, but it's okay, because Christ will save them anyway! Why do you feel vindicated in telling unbelievers they may remain in unbelief when Scripture clearly tells us that ALL without exception who remain in unbelief shall be damned, not saved? So let me return you kind words upon you...."you and your kind here write those words as you deny God's Word you all make a fool of yourselves"!

When you and your kind point your finger at "the Jews", and belittle "ethnic Israel", and all the other garbage false corrupt racist provision that reworks God's words that follows, because the full truth counters that racist Satanic argument, the finger of God is pointing at those serpents,whose father is the Devil.

And their taking afront at being identified by we indwelt eternally redeemed in Christ Christians who recognize the JEWISH Messiah,are not concerned with the sulphurous breath that belches outrage when the racist antisemitic are exposed and say they're upset about that.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Would you rather he used "children of the flesh, who are not the children of God"? Romans 9:8

Racist antisemitic Satanists corrupt God's word,and omit scripture that proves they are lying about "the Jews" and "ethnic Israel".That proof is in black and white in the Bible.

Damned,is what they are.

Christians ignoring that as those devils continue their Satanic racist antisemitic anti-Jesus screed insures they are not encouraged to continue proving they are also ignoring scripture that promises there is a place in Hell awaiting them.

Goodbye.

 

[PinSeeker]

Might as well accuse Paul of anti-semitism...

"For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God"​

Romans 2:28-29​

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"For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring... it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring... because of him who calls... even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles..."​

Romans 9​

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"...a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved..."​

Romans 11:25-26​

...but I would strongly advise against it, because this is not just what Paul ~ a Jew who took great pride in his Jewish heritage ~ says to the Romans (and us) but God Himself, since this is His Word.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Peterlag]

The throne of David is Christ's throne and Christ is God, and the Son of David (Christ) sits on God's throne.

The reason why you're so confused is because you've confused yourself by convincing yourself that Jesus is not God.

Adam is called a “type” of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:14). The word translated as “type” in many English versions is the translation of the Greek word tupos (τύπος) which can be defined as “a type, pattern, model, or example of something else.” Although the KJV translates tupos as “figure” most of the more modern versions say “pattern” (NIV), “prototype” (HCSB), or “type” (ESV, NAB, NASB). Adam was a type, prototype, or pattern of Christ because he was fully human and began without a sin nature—and Jesus was the same: fully human and made without a sin nature. The reason no other human male after Adam could be a “type” of Christ is that we are all born with a sin nature. Adam could not be a “type” of Christ if Jesus was 100% man and 100% God because Adam did not have a “God-nature.”

 

[covenantee]

Racist antisemitic Satanists corrupt God's word,and omit scripture that proves they are lying about "the Jews" and "ethnic Israel".That proof is in black and white in the Bible.

Damned,is what they are.

Christians ignoring that as those devils continue their Satanic racist antisemitic anti-Jesus screed insures they are not encouraged to continue proving they are also ignoring scripture that promises there is a place in Hell awaiting them.

Goodbye.

Did Paul know that he was a racist antisemitic satanist?

 

[PinSeeker]

Adam is called a “type” of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:14). The word translated as “type” in many English versions is the translation of the Greek word tupos (τύπος) which can be defined as “a type, pattern, model, or example of something else.” Although the KJV translates tupos as “figure” most of the more modern versions say “pattern” (NIV), “prototype” (HCSB), or “type” (ESV, NAB, NASB). Adam was a type, prototype, or pattern of Christ because he was fully human and began without a sin nature—and Jesus was the same: fully human and made without a sin nature. The reason no other human male after Adam could be a “type” of Christ is that we are all born with a sin nature. Adam could not be a “type” of Christ if Jesus was 100% man and 100% God because Adam did not have a “God-nature.”

Jesus was not "made." As John says, "(a)ll things were made through Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made" (John 1:3).

With regard to Adam, his failure is what made necessary Jesus's coming. Jesus... succeeded, to put it mildly. :) And this was because in addition to being fully man ("in the form of man," as Paul puts it in Philippians 2), He was ~ and is ~ fully God ("in the form of God," as Paul puts it in Philippians 2). The Koine Greek word is 'morphe', which means "the thing itself." And as Paul says to the Colossians, "He is the image of the invisible God" (Colossians 1:15), where as we are only made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27).

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

Did Paul know that he was a racist antisemitic satanist?

He probably was well aware that he would be perceived as such by some. :) But that's speculation on my part, of course. :)

Grace and peace to you!

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Did Paul know that he was a racist antisemitic satanist?

After reading my post, obviously Paul does.

 

[PinSeeker]

After reading my post, obviously Paul does.

Ah. So you're including Paul among those you consider "racist anti-semitic satanists." Hm. Well...

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Peterlag]

The Jews do not believe your Septuagint version and it's not used for their Tanach. Neither do our Bible translators.

Besides that, the text you quote neither proves nor disproves your assertion. So why are you pretending that the above text supports your assertio

I already gave you the verses. The verses do not have to specify they're talking about Gentile Christians just because they are talking about Gentile Christians. Nor do they have to use the word Christians even though the verses are talking about Jewish and Gentile Christians.

@Peterlag The following verses are talking about Jewish and Gentile Christians. See if you can find the word "Christians".

22 And the Word was heard in the ears of the church in Jerusalem. And they sent out Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch;
23 who was glad when he had come and had seen the grace of God. And he exhorted all with purpose of heart to remain near to the Lord.
24 For he was a good man and full of the Holy Spirit and faith. And many people were added to the Lord.
25 And Barnabas went out to Tarsus to seek Saul.
26 And finding him, it was a whole year they were gathered to them in the church and taught a considerable crowd. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
-- Acts 11

1. Jewish Christians: Romans 9:24; Romans 11:5-32.
2. Gentile Christians: Romans 9:24; Romans 11:17-32.
3. Jewish and Gentile Christians: All of the above.

If you don't mind my saying so, I find your argument against the obvious really weird. It's like if someone gives you an article to read about Abraham Lincoln but isn't calling him "President Lincoln" and you saying, "It's not talking about Abraham Lincoln, because it's not calling him President Lincoln. If it does not say President Lincoln then it's not talking about President Lincoln."

Let's look at the first verse in the number one spot that you give which is...

Romans 9:24
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

The word Christian is not mentioned in this verse.

 

[Ziggy]

There is no such thing as a Gentile Christian. In the New Testament you are either a...

1.) Jew
2.) Gentile
3.) Christian

Nobody is two of something just as you are not a boy girl. And that's how the Scriptures are written. So you are writing a nice little story about something but it's not biblical.

Don't say that too loudly. You'll have the social justice people coming down on your head.. lol
How many genders they up to today? I lost count.

Hugs

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus was not "made." As John says, "(a)ll things were made through Him, and without Him was not any thing made that was made" (John 1:3).

With regard to Adam, his failure is what made necessary Jesus's coming. Jesus... succeeded, to put it mildly. :) And this was because in addition to being fully man ("in the form of man," as Paul puts it in Philippians 2), He was ~ and is ~ fully God ("in the form of God," as Paul puts it in Philippians 2). The Koine Greek word is 'morphe', which means "the thing itself." And as Paul says to the Colossians, "He is the image of the invisible God" (Colossians 1:15), where as we are only made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27).

Grace and peace to you.

It does not say all things were made by Jesus in John 1:3. Jesus Christ is not a lexical definition of logos. The verse does not say "In the beginning was Jesus." The "Word" is not synonymous with Jesus, or even the "Messiah."

 

[Peterlag]

Do you believe when Gentiles become Christians they are no longer identified by their country of origin? It seems silly for me to say, but when a Gentile becomes a Christian, I don't have to read "Gentile Christian" explicitly to understand they are believers in Christ. Do you believe you've proven something by asking where the particular phrase "Gentile Christian" is found in the Bible?

You refer to Gentiles identifying with their country of origin. The New Testament does not.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Ah. So you're including Paul among those you consider "racist anti-semitic satanists." Hm. Well...

Grace and peace to you.

You didn't get the contemporary reference. That's sad.

 

[Ziggy]

1Pe 4:14
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye;
for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
1Pe 4:15
But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
1Pe 4:16
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Isa 62:2
And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
Rev 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Rev 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Act 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Where did the name Christian come from anyways?
Was it a slang as some say, or is it the name given them by Christ himself. Christ...Christian.

Apparently a Christian can be any man, but not any man can be a Christian.
Am I right?

Hugs

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

Don't say that too loudly. You'll have the social justice people coming down on your head.. lol
How many genders they up to today? I lost count.

Hugs

My nephew is on FB. He's very young. According to him when he registered last year there are hundreds of genders to choose from.

 

[Ziggy]

My nephew is on FB. He's very young. According to him when he registered last year there are hundreds of genders to choose from.

Trust the science..lol