What is the difference between a Jew and a Christian?

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Matthias

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“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.”

(Romans 2:28-29, NASB)
 

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“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter;

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"By the spirit, and not by the letter".

So the literal text of the Bible is thrown overboard, to be replaced whatever the Christians think is right.

Thanks but no thanks, I go by the letter of the word of God.

Here is something about the difference between the circumcision of the flesh and the circumcision of the heart:

 

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What is the difference between a Jew and a Christian?

It is very simple: A Jew can count to two, and a Christian cannot.

A Jew knows that 1 + 1 = 2, and a Christian thinks that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1.

A Jew knows that a God the Father and a god the son is two (2!) gods. A Christian thinks that a God the Father and a god the son and a god the holy ghost is only one God.

When you can count to two you cannot be a polytheist and therefore not a Christian.
People grapple to understand and explain things that cannot be perceived by the carnal mind of the natural man.....they must be spiritually discerned, IF the Lord grants the understanding. I have trouble understanding this concept of the three being one. Sometimes our wording and understanding is off in an effort to conceptualize these things and we miss the mark. As the bible says, who can fathom the Lord?

Actually Jews believe in the Ruach HaKodesh too (Holy Spirit).....so maybe we could say Jewish folks believe 1 + 1 = 2.....? lol. They are missing the Son though....as OT scripture says in Proverbs...."tell me the name of His son, if you know". And one like a son of man standing in the furnace with the three young Hebrew captives in Babylon....not being burned up but saving them. So the son of man had to be also divine, true?

NT scripture teaches that Yeshua was God come in the flesh. Ponder that for a bit my friend. It makes sense because God is saviour and Yeshua came to save, and His name means God with us. He lived in a body (as OT scripture says "a body though hast prepared for me".......and He had a Spirit like we all have a spirit....except His Spirit was God's spirit since He was God in the flesh. I have wondered if this is why His Spirit could not be poured out (latter rain) upon those early Jewish believers until He returned to heaven, because He needed His/God's spirit in His body in order to be alive in body while on earth. Just some of my bits and pieces, might not be quite right....these things are above my comprehension still.

May the Lord bless and keep you and give you His light.
 

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"By the spirit, and not by the letter".

So the literal text of the Bible is thrown overboard, to be replaced whatever the Christians think is right.

No. The spirit of the law isn’t “do whatever you think is right.”

Thanks but no thanks, I go by the letter of the word of God.

Here is something about the difference between the circumcision of the flesh and the circumcision of the heart:

 

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People grapple to understand and explain things that cannot be perceived by the carnal mind of the natural man.....they must be spiritually discerned, IF the Lord grants the understanding. I have trouble understanding this concept of the three being one. Sometimes our wording and understanding is off in an effort to conceptualize these things and we miss the mark. As the bible says, who can fathom the Lord?

Actually Jews believe in the Ruach HaKodesh too (Holy Spirit).....so maybe we could say Jewish folks believe 1 + 1 = 2.....? lol. They are missing the Son though....as OT scripture says in Proverbs...."tell me the name of His son, if you know". And one like a son of man standing in the furnace with the three young Hebrew captives in Babylon....not being burned up but saving them. So the son of man had to be also divine, true?

NT scripture teaches that Yeshua was God come in the flesh. Ponder that for a bit my friend. It makes sense because God is saviour and Yeshua came to save, and His name means God with us. He lived in a body (as OT scripture says "a body though hast prepared for me".......and He had a Spirit like we all have a spirit....except His Spirit was God's spirit since He was God in the flesh. I have wondered if this is why His Spirit could not be poured out (latter rain) upon those early Jewish believers until He returned to heaven, because He needed His/God's spirit in His body in order to be alive in body while on earth. Just some of my bits and pieces, might not be quite right....these things are above my comprehension still.

May the Lord bless and keep you and give you His light.

Love YHWH and your neighbor.

Please tell me what you think is the spirit of the law.

Bs"d

I don't know what the spirit of the Law is. That is also not important for me, because I do the letter of the law. Well, at least I try, for as much as possible.
 

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I don't know what the spirit of the Law is. That is also not important for me, because I do the letter of the law. Well, at least I try, for as much as possible.

We’re condemned by the letter of the law.
 

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We’re condemned by the letter of the law.
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That's what your book says, and that's why Christians throw the whole law overboard.

This is what our book says and what we go by: "1 Y-H-W-H said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am Y-H-W-H your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am Y-H-W-H your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am Y-H-W-H."
Leviticus 18
 

Matthias

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That's what your book says, and that's why Christians throw the whole law overboard.

This is what our book says and what we go by: "1 Y-H-W-H said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am Y-H-W-H your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am Y-H-W-H your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am Y-H-W-H."
Leviticus 18

That is the old covenant. I’m under the new covenant.

You’ve broken the letter of the law. You stand condemned by the letter of the law.
 

Matthias

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And the Muslims are under the Newer Covenant, the Quran and Muhammed.

My business is with the Hebrew Bible (which speaks about the new covenant) and the New Testament, not with the Quran and Muhammed.

We can always repent and turn back to God and His laws.

You still won’t keep them and you will still be condemned by it. YHWH has offered a new covenant, a better covenant.
 

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My business is with the Hebrew Bible (which speaks about the new covenant) and the New Testament, not with the Quran and Muhammed.



You still won’t keep them and you will still be condemned by it. YHWH has offered a new covenant, a better covenant.
Bs"d

Wrong, JC offered a new covenant, not Y-H-W-H
 

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I have heard it said "In Judaism you do the thing, to get the thing; in Christianity you get the thing, so you do the thing" (B. Shapiro youtube)
 

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Abraham wasn’t under the old covenant law. How was he righteous @Eliyahu613?

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God explains that Himself:

"4 I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven, and will give to your descendants all these lands; and by your descendants all the nations of the earth shall bless themselves: 5 because Abraham obeyed my voice and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.”
Gen 26