Is it possible not to sin anymore?

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Ritajanice

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That’s not what the scripture says… Why dont you try actually reading.

1 John 3:9
πᾶς ὁ γεγεννημένος ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ ἁμαρτίαν οὐ ποιεῖ, ὅτι σπέρμα αὐτοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ μένει· καὶ οὐ δύναται ἁμαρτάνειν, ὅτι ἐκ τοῦ Θεοῦ γεγέννηται.

You’re not even smart enough to know when you’re sinning!

Isaiah 55:8
James Bible
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD

Ignorance is bliss! And your corruption of the word of God is appalling. You are a prime example of someone who has not studied the word, and take one scripture and make a doctrine out of it.

Simply put you do not know what you’re talking about, and that is why you will not address this word ποιεῖ
Sorry, that is what God’s word says...plenty of Gods word above in my posts.

Are you able to give me an answer yet to the question I asked you?

What does being Born Again of imperishable seed mean?

If you don’t understand the question....I believe that is why I’m having difficulty discussing with you....that a Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of Gods seed?

Gods word is Alive and Active my friend...

His word never returns void to him, it will always accomplish what is pleasing to him.
 

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Sorry, that is what God’s word says...plenty of Gods word above in my posts.

Are you able to give me an answer yet to the question I asked you?
You didn’t even know this scripture existed.

Ecclesiastes 7:20
For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not

No man on earth, that includes you!!!

Let me guess… You no more than Solomon also.

So once again… address this word ποιεῖ
 

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Sorry, that is what God’s word says...plenty of Gods word above in my posts.

Are you able to give me an answer yet to the question I asked you?

What does being Born Again of imperishable seed mean?

If you don’t understand the question....I believe that is why I’m having difficulty discussing with you....that a Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of Gods seed?

Gods word is Alive and Active my friend...

His word never returns void to him, it will always accomplish what is pleasing to him.
You are a stumbling block to Christianity. You’re going to tell some young new Christian that once there saved and born again they won’t sin anymore…. Then that young Christians is going to make a mistake as we all do and sin. Now this young Christian won’t understand why they sinned if they are saved… all because of your nonsense and lack of comprehension.
 

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You didn’t even know this scripture existed.

Ecclesiastes 7:20
For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not

No man on earth, that includes you!!!

Let me guess… You no more than Solomon also.

So once again… address this word ποιεῖ
Listen, you aren’t understanding what I’m saying, therefore there can be no further discussion with you.

If you understand what=being Born Again of imperishable seed.do get back to me...
 

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You are a stumbling block to Christianity. You’re going to tell some young new Christian that once there saved and born again they won’t sin anymore…. Then that young Christians is going to make a mistake as we all do and sin. Now this young Christian won’t understand why they sinned if they are saved… all because of your nonsense and lack of comprehension.
I’m quoting the word of God.

A “Born Again” who are then saved from eternal damnation..you must be “ Born Again “ to see the Kingdom of God.

A Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born of Gods seed.

That is the word of God to his Born Again Children...and will continue to preach this..if it’s the will of God.

Get back to me when you understand being Born Again of imperishable seed....?
 

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Listen, you aren’t understanding what I’m saying, therefore there can be no further discussion with you.

If you understand what=being Born Again of imperishable seed.do get back to me...
Once again, you do not know how to study the word! Do you see the word “imperishable” anywhere in the text.

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ho
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4160 [e]ποιεῖ,
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he is ableV-PIM/P-3S
264 [e]ἁμαρτάνειν,
hamartanein
to continue sinning,V-PNA
3754 [e]ὅτι
hoti
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1537 [e]ἐκ
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3588 [e]τοῦ
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2316 [e]Θεοῦ
Theou
GodN-GMS
1080 [e]γεγέννηται.
gegennētai
he has been born.
 

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Once again, you do not know how to study the word! Do you see the word “imperishable” anywhere in the text.

Strong'sGreekEnglishMorphology
3956 [e]Πᾶς
Pas
AnyoneAdj-NMS
3588 [e]
ho
-Art-NMS
1080 [e]γεγεννημένος
gegennēmenos
having been bornV-RPM/P-NMS
1537 [e]ἐκ
ek
ofPrep
3588 [e]τοῦ
tou
-Art-GMS
2316 [e]Θεοῦ
Theou
God,N-GMS
266 [e]ἁμαρτίαν
hamartian
sinN-AFS
3756 [e]οὐ
ou
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4160 [e]ποιεῖ,
poiei
practices,V-PIA-3S
3754 [e]ὅτι
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4690 [e]σπέρμα
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seedN-NNS
846 [e]αὐτοῦ
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846 [e]αὐτῷ
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he is ableV-PIM/P-3S
264 [e]ἁμαρτάνειν,
hamartanein
to continue sinning,V-PNA
3754 [e]ὅτι
hoti
becauseConj
1537 [e]ἐκ
ek
ofPrep
3588 [e]τοῦ
tou
-Art-GMS
2316 [e]Θεοῦ
Theou
GodN-GMS
1080 [e]γεγέννηται.
gegennētai
he has been born.
I have quoted the word of God....a Born Again has been Born Again of imperishable seed.

That is the word of God...the scripture you post, has nothing to do with being Born Again, we have been set free from sin...and a Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of Gods seed.

1 Pet 1:3-5 (NDLT, bold highlights word in question)

By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power for the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

Anyway I am now going to exit this thread as we’re going round in circles....God is Love my friend.

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I have quoted the word of God....a Born Again has been Born Again of imperishable seed.

That is the word of God...the scripture you post, has nothing to do with being Born Again, we have been set free from sin...and a Born Again doesn’t continue to sin because they have been Born Again of Gods seed.

Anyway I am now going to exit this thread as we’re going round in circles....God is Love my friend.

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If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”

If you truly believe that once a person is born again, they sin no more, you have missed the whole point of repentance.

I don’t know who you think you are, but disciples, apostles, men ordained by the Lord Himself told us we need to die daily, we need to repent and that we will never be sinless..

Then you come along telling people they don’t need to repent because once they are saved and born again they sin no more.

I don’t know when you were “born again” but if you expect me to believe you have not committed one sin since you were saved, you’re crazy!

And the Bible says you are a liar!!!!

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”
 
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If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”


That's to the gnostics who believe they have never ever sinned and will never sin.
The Apostles had to deal with the false doctrines of the gnostics who believed in pagan teachings.

They believe their flesh may sin, but "they" do not which is false doctrine.


Here's what God's Word says to real Christians!

All things are possible thru Christ (Philippians 4:13), so THRU JESUS we actually DO have the ability to stop sinning!

Sadly, some Christians apparently believe Philippians 4:13 was not a promise for them and so they keep believing that sin everyday in thought word and deed. clueless-doh.gif

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not

Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil

John 8:34
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.


We should not be willingly or knowingly doing sinful things... it should be a very rare occasion for a Christian to sin and IF they did it would NOT be a situation where it's something they knew it was sinful and they decided to do it anyway.

1 John 1:8 is obviously speaking of if we claim we have never sinned... or if we make a mistake such as dropping something on the floor accidentally which is an imperfection that is not unto death (does not cause us to be separated from God like sin does)

The very next verse tells us if we confess out sins the Lord cleanses us of ALL unrighteousness... so is 1 John 1:8 claiming 1 John1:9 is un-true???

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That's to the gnostics who believe they have never ever sinned and will never sin.
The Apostles had to deal with the false doctrines of the gnostics who believed in pagan teachings.

They believe their flesh may sin, but "they" do not which is false doctrine.


Here's what God's Word says to real Christians!

All things are possible thru Christ (Philippians 4:13), so THRU JESUS we actually DO have the ability to stop sinning!

Sadly, some Christians apparently believe Philippians 4:13 was not a promise for them and so they keep believing that sin everyday in thought word and deed. View attachment 39441

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not

Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil

John 8:34
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.


We should not be willingly or knowingly doing sinful things... it should be a very rare occasion for a Christian to sin and IF they did it would NOT be a situation where it's something they knew it was sinful and they decided to do it anyway.

1 John 1:8 is obviously speaking of if we claim we have never sinned... or if we make a mistake such as dropping something on the floor accidentally which is an imperfection that is not unto death (does not cause us to be separated from God like sin does)

The very next verse tells us if we confess out sins the Lord cleanses us of ALL unrighteousness... so is 1 John 1:8 claiming 1 John1:9 is un-true???

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Actually,

that is to people like you. Who think they have no sin..

You think your better than the gnostics. or the pharisees who also declaired the kept the law (had no sin)
 

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If you truly believe that once a person is born again, they sin no more, you have missed the whole point of repentance.
Can you explain what it means to be Born Again....?

Flesh gives birth to flesh?

Spirit gives birth to spirit?.....what is Gods word saying?

John 3:6
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

New Living Translation
Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

English Standard Version
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Berean Standard Bible
Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
That having been born of the flesh is flesh, and that having been born of the Spirit is spirit.

King James Bible
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

New King James Version
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

New American Standard Bible
That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit.


The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children....what does that mean?

I can post the whole chapter if you like...then discuss?

Romans 8

King James Version

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Do you understand this scripture above?



By the way we are brought to repentance by God?.before any spiritual birth can take place, plus we believe in Jesus before the rebirth?

And faith is a gift from God.

We are+also drawn to Jesus by God?

No one can come to the Father except through the Son?

John 14:6-7 KJV​

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him
 
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that is to people like you. Who think they have no sin..


I confessed my sin and turned away from it.

1 John 1:9 says when one does this the Lord cleanses them of ALL un- righteousness.

What part of ALL did you have problems understanding?

Some folks just enjoy being cherry pickers I guess laughing.gif
 

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I confessed my sin and turned away from it.

1 John 1:9 says when one does this the Lord cleanses them of ALL un- righteousness.

What part of ALL did you have problems understanding?

Some folks just enjoy being cherry pickers I guess View attachment 39443
It says he will cleanse them from it

it does not say they will stop sinning

babes need to learn to grow. we are not born again into super mature perfect beings..
 
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Can you explain what it means to be Born Again....?

Flesh gives birth to flesh?

Spirit gives birth to spirit?.....what is Gods word saying?

John 3:6
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

New Living Translation
Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

English Standard Version
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Berean Standard Bible
Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
That having been born of the flesh is flesh, and that having been born of the Spirit is spirit.

King James Bible
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

New King James Version
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

New American Standard Bible
That which has been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which has been born of the Spirit is spirit.


The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children....what does that mean?

I can post the whole chapter if you like...then discuss?

By the way we are brought to repentance by God?.before any spiritual birth can take place, plus we believe in Jesus before the rebirth?

And faith is a gift from God.

We are+also drawn to Jesus by God?

No one can come to the Father except through the Son?

John 14:6-7 KJV​

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him
Let's look at the Scripture and follow the subject and the object. Who was Jesus speaking to? He was speaking to man that was alive, born of his mother from her womb. Her 'water broke' and he issued forth. Jesus tells this man that he must also be born from above (of the Spirit) to see the kingdom of God. ("born again" in the Greek is ‘born from above' - Strong's #509).

AGAIN: Greek word #509 anothen (an'-o-then);from 507; from above; by analogy, from the first; by implication, anew: KJV-- from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.​
The man, Nicodemus then speaks of the womb and Jesus does not correct him. Jesus acknowledges that man will not go through the womb for this second birth.

Jesus then removes all difficulty for us by telling Nicodemus in verse 6: "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Water baptism, while important, was simply not the subject in this Scripture. For water Baptism does not make one "born of the flesh," but the birth from the amniotic fluid of the womb does.

John 3:3-10
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [no mention of water Baptism here! The "water" from the above verse is the "flesh" in this verse]
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind ['The 'Spirit' in the Greek, with the article, i.e., The Holy Spirit. - Strong's # 4154 pneuma]bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit ['The 'Spirit' in the Greek, with the article, i.e., The Holy Spirit. - Strong's # 4154 pneuma] .
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? (KJV)​
In verse 10 above, Jesus acknowledges that Nicodemus is a ‘master of Israel', i.e., a teacher of the Law (Torah - Old Testament). Jesus chastised Nicodemus for not knowing the thing that Jesus was telling him. Jesus expected Nicodemus to know of the spiritual re-birth from the OLD TESTAMENT, for Nicodemus had not seen the New Testament which was not written for years after this day. In the Old Testament this new birth of the Spirit is written of, the Prophets of old foretold of this marvelous work of God that was to be done. Below are two Scriptural allusions to this spiritual birth (born again, i.e., born from above):

Ezek 11:19
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: (KJV)

Ps 51:5-13
5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee. (KJV)​
David's verse 13 above is spoken of again by James 1000 years later:

James 5:19-20
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (KJV)​
 

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Let's look at the Scripture and follow the subject and the object. Who was Jesus speaking to? He was speaking to man that was alive, born of his mother from her womb. Her 'water broke' and he issued forth. Jesus tells this man that he must also be born from above (of the Spirit) to see the kingdom of God. ("born again" in the Greek is ‘born from above' - Strong's #509).


The man, Nicodemus then speaks of the womb and Jesus does not correct him. Jesus acknowledges that man will not go through the womb for this second birth.

Jesus then removes all difficulty for us by telling Nicodemus in verse 6: "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Water baptism, while important, was simply not the subject in this Scripture. For water Baptism does not make one "born of the flesh," but the birth from the amniotic fluid of the womb does.
Why didn’t Nicodemus understand Jesus words?
Jesus told him he had to be Born Again....what does that mean?

Baptism in the Spirit?
That which is Born of the Spirit...how would you know this?

A Born Again knows they are Born Again, how would they know this?

Do you actually know that being Born Again is a Living spiritual birth?
In verse 10 above, Jesus acknowledges that Nicodemus is a ‘master of Israel', i.e., a teacher of the Law (Torah - Old Testament). Jesus chastised Nicodemus for not knowing the thing that Jesus was telling him. Jesus expected Nicodemus to know of the spiritual re-birth from the OLD TESTAMENT, for Nicodemus had not seen the New Testament which was not written for years after this day. In the Old Testament this new birth of the Spirit is written of, the Prophets of old foretold of this marvelous work of God that was to be done. Below are two Scriptural allusions to this spiritual birth (born again, i.e., born from above):


David's verse 13 above is spoken of again by James 1000 years later:
 
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That's to the gnostics who believe they have never ever sinned and will never sin.
The Apostles had to deal with the false doctrines of the gnostics who believed in pagan teachings.

They believe their flesh may sin, but "they" do not which is false doctrine.


Here's what God's Word says to real Christians!

All things are possible thru Christ (Philippians 4:13), so THRU JESUS we actually DO have the ability to stop sinning!

Sadly, some Christians apparently believe Philippians 4:13 was not a promise for them and so they keep believing that sin everyday in thought word and deed. View attachment 39441

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not

Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh

James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil

John 8:34
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.


We should not be willingly or knowingly doing sinful things... it should be a very rare occasion for a Christian to sin and IF they did it would NOT be a situation where it's something they knew it was sinful and they decided to do it anyway.

1 John 1:8 is obviously speaking of if we claim we have never sinned... or if we make a mistake such as dropping something on the floor accidentally which is an imperfection that is not unto death (does not cause us to be separated from God like sin does)

The very next verse tells us if we confess out sins the Lord cleanses us of ALL unrighteousness... so is 1 John 1:8 claiming 1 John1:9 is un-true???

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We should not be willingly or knowingly doing sinful things... it should be a very rare occasion for a Christian to sin and IF they did it would NOT be a situation where it's something they knew it was sinful and they decided to do it anyway.

Either you sin after being born again, or you don’t… Don’t give me this rare occasion nonsense.

"For until [before]the law, sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed [charged] whenthere is no law" {Rom 5:13}.

Mankind will always sin, if you do it in pure ignorance perhaps no penalty will added, but you still sinned.

You self righteous Christians are something else, You truly believe after being born again you are now equal to Christ.

Like It is written!!!


If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us!!!

That goes for you too!
 

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If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us!!!

So you believe the scripture references below are... lies then?

Either you follow God's instructions in His Word, or you rebel against them... which is it?


1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not


1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:


1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not


Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh


James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil


John 8:34
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.


1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.