Is it okay to eat pork?

[BarneyFife]

I didn't think they made that anymore. Or maybe I'm thinking of another product. The one I'm thinking of was like a loaf. Cut off both ends and push it out and slice and fry. I loved it.

Just a little gesture of nostalgia, Sis.

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[1stCenturyLady]

Just a little gesture of nostalgia, Sis.

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I looked up Nuteena and see it is what I was thinking of. Look it up and print off the recipe to make it. I have a recipe also for Choplets!

 

[BarneyFife]

I looked up Nuteena and see it is what I was thinking of. Look it up and print off the recipe to make it. I have a recipe also for Choplets!

You gave it to me once, remember? I never got around to trying to make it. I'm so lazy!

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[1stCenturyLady]

You gave it to me once, remember? I never got around to trying to make it. I'm so lazy!

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I don't remember giving it to you. In fact, I hope I still have it.

 

[BarneyFife]

I don't remember giving it to you. In fact, I hope I still have it.

Have you ever tried making it?

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[GracePeace]

Yes, Mark 7:

Not that I disagree with the point (we're not under Law), but that statement ("Thus purifying all foods.") has been recognized as an interpolation.

Paul confirmed that in Romans 14:

Paul knows we're not under Law, but he also says "to the one who thinks a meat is unclean, FOR HIM IT IS UNCLEAN", so THAT PERSON CANNOT eat pork--though he himself says, "I know and am fully persuaded in the Lord that no food is unclean in and of itself", so, in addition to the rest of his teachings on the topic, we know Paul did not see any food as "unclean".

True!

 

[GracePeace]

Hey Tony, I'm about to drop a 50 megaton truth nuke on you, bro...ready?

All scholars agree that Paul's greatest challenge was the "Judaizers" - Jewish converts to Christianity who insisted Christians must keep all the Mosaic Law as well as Jesus' commandments to be saved. He fought them all through Scripture.

Romans 14 isn't there to allow eating whatever might crawl across your plate - it's there to make clear that the JEWISH FEAST DAYS are optional, not mandatory. Whatever we eat must be first sanctified by the word of God..and where does the Word of God "sanctify" or "set apart" as acceptable fare? Leviticus 11, which medical science absolutely confirms with the highest scientific affirmations possible...almost like God knew what He was doing when He said, "that is healthy but that will make you sick and kill you, so don't eat it"...right or wrong?

Proof?

Jesus tells you unequivocally in Isaiah 66 that when He returns in fiery glory, those who eat "swine's flesh" will be "consumed together" with idolatrous nature worshipers...understand? It's an undeniable Messianic prophecy of the Second Coming where those who continue eating pigs after learning the truth will be set ablaze, and we all know how hot and smelly burnt pig fat is.

Please bring up Acts 10 and also "forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats".

Concerning the vision Peter was given about the blanket of unclean animals in Acts 10, per the next Chapter of Acts 11, Peter explained that vision of unclean animals was meant as a symbol for the Gentiles only.

It did NOT... mean all 'unclean' animals on God's don't-eat list are now miraculously made clean.

But boy how a lot of country preachers love to wrongly claim everything is now made 'clean' by Peter's vision of the blanket of unclean animals.

The Jewish believers came and confronted Peter about eating with Gentiles (re: Cornelius).

There are laws detailing how ovens and pots and pans and what not become defiled by the corpses of certain animals, and there are laws for purifying some of these things, and the law stipulates they are to "BE CAREFUL" in observing all of these laws, but Peter went and ate with Gentiles on account of the vision. The vision must have meant that God had accepted the Gentiles THE WAY THEY ARE (as Paul argues over and over and over), including their foods.

Regarding this, Paul says he becomes as one under the Law, becomes as a Jew to Jews, and he becomes as one without the Law, becomes a Gentile to Gentiles (though not without God's Law--as if he would also commit immorality--but under Christ's Law).

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, Mark 7:

Hi my friend.

I’m sure you know this about what can happen if one undercooks pork.

I watched a documentary once on this subject and saw the consequences ,where a guy had undercooked pork.....I have never cooked pork since, completely put me off.

Eating raw or undercooked pork is not a good idea. The meat can harbor parasites, like roundworms or tapeworms.These can cause foodborne illnesses like trichinosis or taeniasis. While rare, trichinosis can lead to serious complications that are sometimes fatal

 

[GracePeace]

You are free to have sexual relations with someone other than your wife/husband because you are "free from the law"?
You are free now to worship a log of wood in the forest because that was an OT law which now doesn't exist for Christians?

Does that apply to all the Ten Commandments, and all the health laws, and all the laws concerning incest, and slavery, and restoring what you damage of your neighbours property and/or belongings... All now irrelevant because you've been forgiven of doing those things in the past? How does that make any sense? The Father sent His only begotten Son to die and suffer in your place because of your sin, and now says it's okay to continue doing those things which before Jesus had to die for?

Galatians 4
21Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.

27For it is written,
“REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR;
BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR;
FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE
THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.”

28And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.

30But what does the Scripture say?
“CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”

31So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

Galatians 5
1It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
2Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

7You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth? 8This persuasion did not come from Him who calls you. 9A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough. 10I have confidence in you in the Lord that you will adopt no other view; but the one who is disturbing you will bear his judgment, whoever he is. 11But I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished. 12I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.

13For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 15But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.

 

[BarneyFife]

Galatians 4
21Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.

27For it is written,
“REJOICE, BARREN WOMAN WHO DOES NOT BEAR;
BREAK FORTH AND SHOUT, YOU WHO ARE NOT IN LABOR;
FOR MORE NUMEROUS ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE DESOLATE
THAN OF THE ONE WHO HAS A HUSBAND.”

28And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.

30But what does the Scripture say?
“CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”

31So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

Galatians 5
1It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
2Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

7You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth? 8This persuasion did not come from Him who calls you. 9A little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough. 10I have confidence in you in the Lord that you will adopt no other view; but the one who is disturbing you will bear his judgment, whoever he is. 11But I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why am I still persecuted? Then the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished. 12I wish that those who are troubling you would even mutilate themselves.

13For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 15But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.

It kinda seems like the Scripture you've quoted here just goes a long way toward answering none of @Brakelite's questions.

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[GracePeace]

It kinda seems like the Scripture you've quoted here just goes a long way toward answering none of @Brakelite's questions.

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Well, it does address one of them: we're not under the Law! LOL

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Well, it does address one of them: we're not under the Law! LOL

Apparently some folk need to be reminded that we are not under the Law of Moses anymore!

 

[BarneyFife]

Well, it does address one of them: we're not under the Law! LOL

Well, as long are we're being sufficiently amused.

But I must confess the laugh smilies and LOLs don't do very much to clear things up.

What does "under the law" mean?

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[GracePeace]

You are free to have sexual relations with someone other than your wife/husband because you are "free from the law"?
You are free now to worship a log of wood in the forest because that was an OT law which now doesn't exist for Christians?

Does that apply to all the Ten Commandments, and all the health laws, and all the laws concerning incest, and slavery, and restoring what you damage of your neighbours property and/or belongings... All now irrelevant because you've been forgiven of doing those things in the past? How does that make any sense? The Father sent His only begotten Son to die and suffer in your place because of your sin, and now says it's okay to continue doing those things which before Jesus had to die for?

God told Noah that the fear of man would fall on the creatures, and they would be for food.

For this reason, the Jews recognized that the Gentiles were not bound to keep the dietary restrictions.

Clearly, then, some of the Torah was universal (eg, condemnation of homosexuality--the Canaanites were destroyed for that sin), and some of it was specific to Jews (eg, dietary laws).

That said, we're under Grace, not under Law, and the Grace is God writing His Laws on our hearts, so that we keep "the righteous requirement of the Law" (Ro 2:14-16, 26,27, 3:31, 8:4, 13:8-10)--so that Gentiles, who were never subject to the dietary restrictions, can still be said to be "doers of the Law", observe the prohibitions against adultery, etc, without having to be subject to the dietary laws.

 

[BarneyFife]

Apparently some folk need to be reminded that we are not under the Law of Moses anymore!

Well, I thought you were tired of that.

At least you've got inane ad hominem to fall back on.

"Apparently some folk..." Yuk, yuk.

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[GracePeace]

Well, as long are we're being sufficiently amused.

But I must confess the laugh smilies and LOLs don't do very much to clear things up.

What does "under the law" mean?

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Jesus is "YHVH Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6).
A new means of righteousness that is NOT the Law.

Romans 3
21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

The Law is just a version the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
It only ends in death.
Romans 8:3 and Galatians 3:3 say that the Law relies on "the flesh".
Romans 8:3 says this is why it's "weak".
Romans 7 explains why the Law doesn't work: the flesh has nothing good in it.
The Lord, however, is full of goodness.
Knowing the Lord is the means of righteousness in the New Covenant.
However, those under Grace fulfill the righteous requirement of the Law (Ro 2:14-16, 26, 27, 3:31, 8:4, 13:8-10).

 

[BarneyFife]

Jesus is "YHVH Is Our Righteousness" (Jer 23:6).
A new means of righteousness that is NOT the Law.

The Law is just a version the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
It only ends in death.
Romans 8:3 and Galatians 3:3 say that the Law relies on "the flesh".
Romans 8:3 says this is why it's "weak".
Romans 7 explains why the Law doesn't work: the flesh has nothing good in it.
The Lord, however, is full of goodness.
Knowing the Lord is the means of righteousness in the New Covenant.

The law never made anyone righteous. So what does "under the law" mean?

I'd really like to know.

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[GracePeace]

The law never made anyone righteous. So what does "under the law" mean?

I'd really like to know.

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"Under the Law" means you read the Torah and you seek to be out of trouble/in right standing/accepted/blessed with eternal life by performing the righteous demands in it (Galatians 2:11-16, 5); "under Grace" means God's Holy Spirit is producing convictions in your heart on how to love and serve God and others for God's glory, and these may differ from one man to the the next, but these are love, and to walk in those convictions is to walk in love and so fulfill God's Law (Romans 1:17, 14:5, 23; Galatians 5).

 

[GracePeace]

Well, as long are we're being sufficiently amused.

But I must confess the laugh smilies and LOLs don't do very much to clear things up.

What does "under the law" mean?

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My apologies, I thought you were joking!

 

[BarneyFife]

My apologies, I thought you were joking!

No worries. I hope I wasn't too harsh. You strike me as having pretty thick skin, though.

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