Is it okay to eat pork?

[TonyChanYT]

Yes, Mark 7:

19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

Paul confirmed that in Romans 14:

14 I am convinced and fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. … 20a Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean.

More generally, Colossians 2:

16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day.

Eating pork or shrimp is fine but you don't have to.

See also Dietary laws from Adam to the apostles.

 

[Pearl]

Of course it is unless you're a jew still under the legalistic laws. It's great with apple sauce and roast potatoes.

 

[Davy]

Yes, Mark 7:


Paul confirmed that in Romans 14:


More generally, Colossians 2:


Eating pork or shrimp is fine but you don't have to.

See also Dietary laws from Adam to the apostles.

Paul did NOT go against God's health law written in Deuteronomy 14.

Paul did not say eating from the unhealthy list of meats was now miraculously clean. He taught that we are not to judge... based on what meat one eats, but he never said that somehow now unhealthy meats are now clean for our body. That's the difference. The proof of that is how many are sick from living on unhealthy foods.

So if you like dem' arteries good and clogged up, keep eating scavenger meats which God created to cleanse the earth, and that process poisons which stay in the meat and fat. With some, it takes longer for their arteries to get clogged, with others not as long, leading to heart bypass surgery.

In 1 Corinthians 10:25, Paul said whatever is sold in the shambles (market), that eat. The idea is to eat to live.

Will our flesh be healthy by eating pork and shellfish (shrimp, crab, lobster, oysters, squid, gator, catfish, ie. scavengers)? NO! And that's what God's healthy meat list He gave is about.

If you want your flesh body to be healthier by eating clean meats, that means meats that God "created to be received". Even as Christians we should never get away from that fact.

Furthermore, the Colossians 2:14 Scripture about Jesus having blotted out the handwriting of ordinances of God's law on His cross, those 'ordinances' DO NOT MEAN ALL OF GOD'S LAWS. Those ordinances specifically apply to the blood and ritualistic ordinances. If it meant all of God's law was nailed to Christ's cross, then it would now be legal to steal, lie, murder, rape, etc., you see what I mean? So do not listen to the 'lawless', because that is how Satan and his children operate.

(And NO, I am not Jewish).

 

[Phoneman777]

Yes, Mark 7:


Paul confirmed that in Romans 14:


More generally, Colossians 2:


Eating pork or shrimp is fine but you don't have to.

See also Dietary laws from Adam to the apostles.

Hey Tony, I'm about to drop a 50 megaton truth nuke on you, bro...ready?

All scholars agree that Paul's greatest challenge was the "Judaizers" - Jewish converts to Christianity who insisted Christians must keep all the Mosaic Law as well as Jesus' commandments to be saved. He fought them all through Scripture.

Romans 14 isn't there to allow eating whatever might crawl across your plate - it's there to make clear that the JEWISH FEAST DAYS are optional, not mandatory. Whatever we eat must be first sanctified by the word of God..and where does the Word of God "sanctify" or "set apart" as acceptable fare? Leviticus 11, which medical science absolutely confirms with the highest scientific affirmations possible...almost like God knew what He was doing when He said, "that is healthy but that will make you sick and kill you, so don't eat it"...right or wrong?

Proof?

Jesus tells you unequivocally in Isaiah 66 that when He returns in fiery glory, those who eat "swine's flesh" will be "consumed together" with idolatrous nature worshipers...understand? It's an undeniable Messianic prophecy of the Second Coming where those who continue eating pigs after learning the truth will be set ablaze, and we all know how hot and smelly burnt pig fat is.

Please bring up Acts 10 and also "forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats".

 

[Davy]

Hey Tony, I'm about to drop a 50 megaton truth nuke on you, bro...ready?

All scholars agree that Paul's greatest challenge was the "Judaizers" - Jewish converts to Christianity who insisted Christians must keep all the Mosaic Law as well as Jesus' commandments to be saved. He fought them all through Scripture.

Romans 14 isn't there to allow eating whatever might crawl across your plate - it's there to make clear that the JEWISH FEAST DAYS are optional, not mandatory. Whatever we eat must be first sanctified by the word of God..and where does the Word of God "sanctify" or "set apart" as acceptable fare? Leviticus 11, which medical science absolutely confirms with the highest scientific affirmations possible...almost like God knew what He was doing when He said, "that is healthy but that will make you sick and kill you, so don't eat it"...right or wrong?

Proof?

Jesus tells you unequivocally in Isaiah 66 that when He returns in fiery glory, those who eat "swine's flesh" will be "consumed together" with idolatrous nature worshipers...understand? It's an undeniable Messianic prophecy of the Second Coming where those who continue eating pigs after learning the truth will be set ablaze, and we all know how hot and smelly burnt pig fat is.

Please bring up Acts 10 and also "forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from meats".

I wouldn't go that far with Isaiah 66. That was written while they were under the old covenant, and could suffer grave penalties for breaking the law. Jesus said He is able to forgive all manner of sin, except the unpardonable sin. I don't see eating pork as the unpardonable sin.

Apostle Paul even showed that if we as Christians get invited to dinner at the house of a non-Christian, if we are served food that we know has been offered to idols, to not eat. Otherwise, we are to eat whatever they put before us, asking no questions. Why? Because we want to be able to preach The Gospel to them, not insult them.

 

[Davy]

Concerning the vision Peter was given about the blanket of unclean animals in Acts 10, per the next Chapter of Acts 11, Peter explained that vision of unclean animals was meant as a symbol for the Gentiles only.

It did NOT... mean all 'unclean' animals on God's don't-eat list are now miraculously made clean.

But boy how a lot of country preachers love to wrongly claim everything is now made 'clean' by Peter's vision of the blanket of unclean animals.

 

[Phoneman777]

Of course it is unless you're a jew still under the legalistic laws. It's great with apple sauce and roast potatoes.

Do you believe the Bible? Isaiah 66 describes the fiery Second Coming in which the Lord's glory destroys both idolatrous nature worshipers and swine eaters together. You can read it for yourself:

Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV​

[15] For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

[16] For by fire and by his sword ("out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations") will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many ("and the slain of the Lord at that day shall be from one end of the Earth even to the other end of the Earth").

[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.​

 

[Phoneman777]

I wouldn't go that far with Isaiah 66.

You wouldn't go as far as to accept the plain words in front of you that say Jesus is going to destroy pork eaters at the Second Coming?

That was written while they were under the old covenant, and could suffer grave penalties for breaking the law. Jesus said He is able to forgive all manner of sin, except the unpardonable sin. I don't see eating pork as the unpardonable sin.

Isaiah knew full well Jesus would usher in a New Covenant of grace (Isaiah 42:6 KJV) when he wrote that Jesus would destroy pork eaters at His Second Coming, so your OC/NC argument is invalid. Please try again.

BTW, the Unpardonable Sin is any sin for which we refuse to seek forgiveness and repentance -- because "ye receive not because ye ask not".

Apostle Paul even showed that if we as Christians get invited to dinner at the house of a non-Christian, if we are served food that we know has been offered to idols, to not eat. Otherwise, we are to eat whatever they put before us, asking no questions. Why? Because we want to be able to preach The Gospel to them, not insult them.

"Clean" food offered to idols was the question, not "unclean" which they knew not to eat at all.

 

[Davy]

You wouldn't go as far as to accept the plain words in front of you that say Jesus is going to destroy pork eaters at the Second Coming?

Isaiah - known as "the Gospel prophet" because he wrote so much about Jesus - knew full well Jesus would usher in a New Covenant of grace (Isaiah 42:6 KJV) when he wrote that Jesus would destroy pork eaters at His Second Coming, so your OC/NC argument is invalid. Please try again.

BTW, the Unpardonable Sin is any sin for which we refuse to seek forgiveness and repentance -- because "ye receive not because ye ask not".

"Clean" food offered to idols was the question, not "unclean" which they knew not to eat at all.

You are taking that way... too far, like an orthodox Jew would.

Can't you grasp that would apply also to the Apostles who most likely ate pork when they sat down at table with Gentiles???

1 Cor 10:25-27
25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
KJV

Col 2:13-16
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
KJV

Christ's Salvation is by FAITH, not by following the law. If you don't believe that, then you need to go back to following the Jew's religion, which cannot save.

 

[Phoneman777]

You are taking that way... too far, like an orthodox Jew would.

By simply reading and accepting Isaiah's plain words that Jesus will come and destroy pork eaters at His Second Coming? There's simply no other way to interpret his words, which is why you ignore them...as does the papacy and papal sympathizers in the non-catholic world.

Can't you grasp that would apply also to the Apostles who most likely ate pork when they sat down at table with Gentiles???

1 Cor 10:25-27
25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
27 If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.
KJV

You have a very active imagination - there's nothing in these texts about unclean food.

Col 2:13-16
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
KJV

Christ's Salvation is by FAITH, not by following the law. If you don't believe that, then you need to go back to following the Jew's religion, which cannot save.

Paul's referring to the Feast Days, not the prohibition against eating things that will kill us.

Dave, you know full well if Isaiah only said Jesus was coming in fiery anger to burn up nature worshipers, you'd say "amen" -- but since he included pork eaters, you have a problem and want to render the verse impotent. Right or wrong?

Are you willing to argue that we can get naked and dance around sacred trees like Wiccans? Then why argue in favor of eating swine?

 

[Davy]

By simply reading and accepting Isaiah's plain words that Jesus will come and destroy pork eaters at His Second Coming? There's simply no other way to interpret his words, which is why you ignore them...as does the papacy and papal sympathizers in the non-catholic world.

You have a very active imagination - there's nothing in these texts about unclean food.

Paul's referring to the Feast Days, not the prohibition against eating things that will kill us.

Dave, you know full well if Isaiah only said Jesus was coming in fiery anger to burn up nature worshipers, you'd say "amen" -- but since he included pork eaters, you have a problem and want to render the verse impotent. Right or wrong?

Are you willing to argue that we can get naked and dance around sacred trees like Wiccans? Then why argue in favor of eating swine?

I tell you what, you... can continue on faulty thinking that old covenant keeping of the law will save you, and I will continue in God's promise that my Faith on His Son Jesus Christ will save me, even though I admit that eating pork is unhealthy to our flesh body.

 

[Pearl]

Do you believe the Bible? Isaiah 66 describes the fiery Second Coming in which the Lord's glory destroys both idolatrous nature worshipers and swine eaters together. You can read it for yourself:

Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV​

[15] For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.​

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[16] For by fire and by his sword ("out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations") will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many ("and the slain of the Lord at that day shall be from one end of the Earth even to the other end of the Earth").​

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[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.​

ACTS 10: 9-
9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

I think this passage says it's okay to eat pork.

 

[Davy]

ACTS 10: 9-
9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

I think this passage says it's okay to eat pork.

But really it does not. See the next chapter Acts 11 where Peter explains God gave him that vision of the blanket of unclean animals to represent the Gentiles who the Jews at that time thought were excluded from Christ's Salvation. By using that blanket of unclean animal vision, God was showing Peter to not call unclean what He had cleansed, meaning believing Gentiles in Christ.

 

[TonyChanYT]

Jesus tells you unequivocally in Isaiah 66 that when He returns in fiery glory, those who eat "swine's flesh" will be "consumed together" with idolatrous nature worshipers

You overgeneralized and jumped to conclusions. See Those who sanctify themselves by eating pig’s flesh shall come to an end together and follow up there.

 

[Cassandra]

ACTS 10: 9-
9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

I think this passage says it's okay to eat pork.

If you continue to read the passage, you will see what Peter learned--that you call no MAN unclean. It was after this, he went to meet Cornelius

Acts 10:28
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

The clean unclean law was not Mosaic--even Noah knew the difference

Gen 7:2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal

Look at Acts 11.
And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.
( They are complaining because he is eating with Gentiles.)
4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven. 11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.

 

[Shittim]

Not under the OT, Jesus was clear when He taught ALL things were new in Him.
Christians have bacon-

 

[Shittim]

Not under the OT, Jesus was clear when He taught ALL things were new in Him.
Christians have bacon-View attachment 38649

 

[Phoneman777]

I tell you what, you... can continue on faulty thinking that old covenant keeping of the law will save you, and I will continue in God's promise that my Faith on His Son Jesus Christ will save me, even though I admit that eating pork is unhealthy to our flesh body.

Hold on now...who said anything about legalism? Of course, keeping the law doesn't save you. Keeping the law PROVES you've been saved.

That's why Isaiah says Jesus is going to destroy impenitent pork eaters...because after He sent them the truth about it, they showed themselves unsaved by refusing to repent like saved people always do when God shows them that they're doing things that displease Him.

"...because we keep His commandments AND DO THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE PLEASING IN HIS SIGHT".

 

[Phoneman777]

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That's why Isaiah 66 says Jesus is going to destroy bacon and bacon eaters when He returns in fiery glory.

 

[Phoneman777]

Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV:

[15] For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

[16] For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.

[17] They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the Lord.

Pork fat burns hot and with a horrible stench. What a spectacle it will be when Jesus comes and burns it - and the people who eat it - up.