CALVINISM: The height of Spiritual depravity

[Big Boy Johnson]

You haven’t answered my other questions?

I'm not accepting interrogations from calvinists at this time.

Calvinism is false doctrine so hopefully you get delivered from this darkness someday before it's too late!

 

[Ritajanice]

I'm not accepting interrogations from calvinists at this time.

Calvinism is false doctrine so hopefully you get delivered from this darkness someday before it's too late!

There you go, therefore all over this forum you bear false witness of what a Born Again is.

You have yet to explain and we’ve been waiting for months and months?

A Christian is not a Born Again...big difference.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

There you go, therefore all over this forum you bear false witness of what a Born Again is.

The false witness is coming from the calvinists.

Calvinism has been debunked and made defunct

 

[Ritajanice]

The false witness is coming from the calvinists.

Calvinism has been debunked and made defunct
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Unfortunately you are the false witness who bears false witness of what it truly means to be Born Again of imperishable seed.

Faith is a manifestation of the Spirit?

Still waiting for the answer...manifests where?

A Christian is not a Born Again...

 

[JBO]

Water does not wash sins away....only the washing of regeneration/ Born of the Spirit can take away our sins.

Saul became Born Again as per scripture I posted..you can believe what you like.

The truth is that Paul was still dead in his trespasses and sins three days after his encounter with Jesus. Obviously, he had not been born again until his sins were washed away, whether or not you want to believe that in baptism sins are washed away.

 

[JBO]

The initial born again experience is when we believe in our heart and confess Jesus as Lord. (Romans 10:9)

There is no "initial" born again experience. It is not something that God does over a period of time. It begins and ends in an instance. It is that instant in time when one goes from being a lost sinner to becoming a saved saint.

 

[Ritajanice]

The truth is that Paul was still dead in his trespasses and sins three days after his encounter with Jesus. Obviously, he had not been born again until his sins were washed away, whether or not you want to believe that in baptism sins are washed away.

That is your opinion.

Only being Born Again of imperishable seed can take away our sins, that is Gods word?

And where does your spiritual understanding come from?

 

[Red Baker]

I am jumping in here primarily so I will easily be able to follow.

The following from RitaJanice certainly states it correctly.

Greetings Rella~I forewarn you nothing is easy to follow coming from the prophetess from GB ~ and I might add, obviously self appointed, for to say that she's confused would be a mild understatement. Her sincerity I would never judge, but her understanding of truth we must judge and expose for what it is~She one confuse lady.

What are examples of being confused? Difficulty carrying out tasks, no ability to make themselves clear, no gift in exposing errors, constantly repeating themselves convincing themselves that they are making progress and difficulty in following a conversation that could help them to see their errors. Sometimes confusion can be temporary and will pass with help, if willing to just stop and listen to hear folks out. Sometimes confusion is long term and is due to a permanent condition....spiritual blindness. No help on this condition from mortal man, only God can deliver folks from this serious sickness.

The following from RitaJanice certainly states it correctly.

We were Born Again of imperishable / incorruptible seed, that is the Living word of God....many don’t understand that Gods word is “ His Living word, which comes to us via his Spirit ( Holy Spirit)”

She is dead wrong on her understanding of 1st Peter 1:23-25~verse 25 makes it very clear as to what sense Peter is using the "word" in this section of the word of God~words have different meaning base on the context in which they are used, I think most readers understand this simple rule, not sure she does.

As I said above, I fully acknowledged that the new birth is by the Spirit of God alone, yet that is not what is being taught in 1st Peter 1:23-25, not even close.

As to John 3, I only at that time gave it as a reference, but will go there shortly.

 

[Ritajanice]

There is no "initial" born again experience. It is not something that God does over a period of time. It begins and ends in an instance. It is that instant in time when one goes from being a lost sinner to becoming a saved saint.

There is a process that leads up to us becoming Born Again of imperishable seed...which is what?

Being regenerated can happen at any time, like the wind you never know when God in his mercy will make us Born Again..

 

[Ritajanice]

Greetings Rella~I forewarn you nothing is easy to follow coming from the prophetess from GB ~ and I might add, obviously self appointed, for to say that she's confused would be a mild understatement. Her sincerity I would never judge, but her understanding of truth we must judge and expose for what it is~She one confuse lady.

What are examples of being confused? Difficulty carrying out tasks, no ability to make themselves clear, no gift in exposing errors, constantly repeating themselves convincing themselves that they are making progress and difficulty in following a conversation that could help them so see their errors. Sometimes confusion can be temporary and will pass with help, if willing to just stop and listen to hear folks out. Sometimes confusion is long term and is due to a permanent condition....spiritual blindness. No help on this condition from mortal man, only God can deliver folks from this serious sickness.



She is dead wrong on her understanding of 1st Peter 1:23-25~verse 25 makes it very clear as what the word means as used by Peter.

As I said above, I fully acknowledged that the new birth is by the Spirit of God alone, yet that is not what is being taught in 1st Peter 1:23-25, not even close.

As to John 3, I only at that time gave it as a reference, but will go there shortly.

The Spirit of God is dead right.,.its your opinion that is dead wrong...and still you don’t answer my questions...therefore your words have no authority over what is right or wrong.

You have very limited understanding of spiritual matters.and the word of God that I post, proves it...only Gods seed can be planted into the heart of his Born Again children...Faith is a manifestation of the Spirit...and still I wait for you to answer what means...?

Imperishable seed is the “ Living “ word of God?
Which unfortunately you haven’t been able to explain away?

Born Again is of the Spirit?

How would you know this?

And how would we know that Gods word abideth and liveth forever?..explain that one please?

1 Peter 1:23-25​

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23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.24 For,
“All people are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25 but the word of the Lord endures forever.”[a]
And this is the word that was preached to you.

 

[JBO]

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

A proof that the gift referred to must include and is faith.
A person would know that God's grace is a gift from Him, not something a person earns. Grace is coming from God, not from man's works.
Salvation also is a work of God not something that you earned by your works.
Jonah 2:9
But I will sacrifice to You With the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay what I have vowed. Salvation is of the Lord.”

But a person might be tempted to think their faith is something they gained and grew inside themselves on their own without God granting that to them.

God has granted to you to believe in Christ.

Philippians 1
27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel, 28 and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but [f]to you of salvation, and that from God.

29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, 30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.

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The gift of Ephesians 2 is salvation - salvation by grace through faith -- PERIOD.

 

[Ritajanice]

A faith not of ourselves.

Amen!!..Faith is a precious gift from God, a manifestation of the Spirit.

Without God given Faith.....it’s the blind leading the blind I’m afraid..

There is no Spiritual understanding without God given Faith, as Gods word says, without the Spirit we are none of His...

We must be Born Again of imperishable seed..

 

[Red Baker]

The initial born again experience is when we believe in our heart and confess Jesus as Lord. (Romans 10:9)

So wrong, as usual, and just what we expect coming from a man who believes a sinner has part in his salvation from sin and condemnation.

Our faith is the initial start of one;'s conversion to the truth~the new birth takes place in our subconscious part where the Spirit of the Living God creates within us a new man sometimes between conception and the death of one's body~two prime examples would be John the Baptist in his mother's womb and the thief on the cross.

A sinner is totally unaware of God's Spirit creating a new man within him, the Spirit comes and goes much like the wind does, which we shall consider very soon, the Lord willing.

The sinner could be doing just about anything under the sun when this birth takes place. He could be asleep, working, making love to his spouse, after all all things are naked and open unto the eyes of God, he doesn't need to get us into a certain state of mind, since all sinners are dead in trespaases and sin, and God alone is the only active person working in this new birth of a dead sinner who is at enmity against. him.

 

[Red Baker]

Yeah, the calvinists are the tares! View attachment 40266

The tares are non-elect children of the wicked one, who himself hates the doctrine of unconditional election of grace being not one of them!

 

[Ritajanice]

Our faith is the initial start of one;'s conversion to the truth

Correction...our God given faith , a manifestation of the Spirit..?.only then can we begin our journey ....as we have then been Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed.

 

[Red Baker]

Too many warnings in God's Word telling us eternal security is not true. Scriptures telling us that some will depart from the faith such as 1 Timothy 4:1,2 and 2 Timothy 4:3,4 and Jude 1:17-21

No, satan cannot take salvation away from us... but if WE turn away from the Lord then salvation is lost because WE walked away from the Lord.

Jesus tells us in Mark 4:13-20 that the Word can actually be choked out of one's life causing them to not bare fruit... because WE can allow things in the choke the Word. The problem is not with the Word, it's with people continuing their walk with the Lord which as always been the problem ever since Adam and Eve's debacle.

Jesus tell us in John 15 that those that do not abide in Him baring fruit, the Father takes them away and they are cut off.

So salvation is not God forcing people to stay with Him... WE have to endure until the end in order to be saved and of course the Lord empowers us to do that if WE submit ourselves to the Lord..

I'll come back and prove just how wrong your doctrine of devils is. You sound like those of SBN~whom I would love to debate openly if they would, but, of course they hide behind the TV cameras and preach their lies.

 

[Ritajanice]

Psalm 1:1-3 We can take five insights from this short passage: This tree, representing an individual among God's people, is planted. It does not spring from a seed dropped by a bird or blown by the wind. Its planting implies purpose. Who would do that? God, of course. John 6:44teaches that we do not come to God of our own accord; in fact, “no one can come to [Christ] unless the Father . . . draws him” (emphasis ours). He calls each person and directs his or her life, planting each where He desires. He plants each tree by rivers of water, which nourishes and sustains it. Water, of course, is a common symbol of God's Holy Spirit throughout Scripture. So, if God in His wisdom plants us in the right spot and gives us plenty of water, we can guess what will likely happen next. Unlike the fig tree in Jesus' parable that failed to produce fruit and is cut down and thrown in the fire (see Luke 13:6-9; John 15:6), this divinely planted and nourished tree bears fruit in its season. It produces the good works God planted it to produce (see John 15:8; Ephesians 2:10). Like the Tree of Life in Revelation 22:2, the leaves on this tree do not wither. The process God puts His “trees” through produces, not withering and death, which is the “natural” course of things, but growth, productivity, and life. The psalmist proclaims that this person who is like a tree will prosper in whatever he does. The gist of the psalm does not imply material prosperity—land, houses, cars, jewelry, cash—but spiritual, long-term success. Ultimately, he means righteousness, rulership, and eternal life in the Kingdom of God (Revelation 19:7-8; 20:6)!

 

[JBO]

There is a process that leads up to us becoming Born Again of imperishable seed.

That is true enough. One must believe in God. For some that is easy, particularly for those who are born and raised in a God fearing Christian home. But for others, it may take time to come to a belief in God; for some it takes years.

Being regenerated can happen at any time, like the wind you never know when God in his mercy will make us Born Again..

John 3:8 isn't saying that you don't know when it happens. Just the opposite. The Spirit like the wind, can't be seen, but its effects can be sensed.

You cannot see the air itself, but you can know that it exists by the effects that it produces.

Finally since being born again is one aspect of being saved, we can know without question when that happens. God would not leave anyone in the dark about such an event. He has told us how and when that can happen. Salvation is a promise of God. He does not keep that promise hidden.

 

[Red Baker]

Correction...our God given faith , a manifestation of the Spirit..?.only then can we begin our journey ....as we have then been Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed.

You are so wrong~ faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God.... Romans 10:17~ God must first create a new man within us, and from that point forward, one has the power, ability, strength to hear, believe and understand, but not until then.

 

[Ritajanice]

You are so wrong~ faith come by hearing and hearing by the word of God.... Romans 10:17~ God must first create a new man within us, and from that point forward, one has the power, ability, strength to hear, believe and understand, but not until then.

Gods word is not wrong.

Faith is a gift from God a manifestation of the Spirit...now please prove Gods word wrong?

No...we are Born Of the Spirit, that is when we receive that new heart and Spirit within....nowhere does God say he creates a new man in us...he says we must be “ Born Again “