Is there a higher walk for believers in Christ?

[Eternally Grateful]

Position? Or a religious opinion about ourselves. Being born again is a TASTE of holiness...a sample of grace...a down-payment (aravon) of what the final purchased item is. But in order to partake of the heavenly gift we need to lay down our lives. If you are a follower of Christ then listen to Him. In order to get at the treasure we need to BUY the field. What is the cost? ALL. So we give our all in order to get the fulness of God...the full measure of grace.

Lol

where in the Bible does it say we must lay down our lives to be sealed with the spirit?

You teach religion. Then denounce religion.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We have to, as believers, understand "passive and proactive".
I call it "greasy grace" when believers think they don't repent, when they sin, because sin is automatically forgiven.
Once we choose to sin, it is necessary to run back to Jesus and get it straightened out.
Proactive is correct.

This is true

But we are still his child even if we do not run back. And we do not even know what every sin we could commit is.. so we can sin daily and not even know it..

Thats why i think it is most important we learn what sin is..

God does not make us robots. We are saved by Grace period.

The blood of Christ cleanses us not our works.

 

[Peterlag]

What death is this speaking about?

I can think of many verses that speak on this.

The corinthian church. Said to be babes And needing milk. Were they walking in the spirit when Paul scolded them?

There's probably a whole bunch of verses where they were not walking in Christ that a gazillion amount of people throw in my face from this site saying see we are all sinners.

 

[Episkopos]

James said if we keep the whole law yet stumble in one point we are guilty

God demanded perfection. Only one person ever met that standard and that is Christ.

And all who enter into Him share in HIS perfection. When you enter into an airplane you partake of the law of flight that overcomes gravity. Without entering INTO the plane you will fall to your death...at whatever altitude. So compare that with breaking one of the laws. In Christ we fulfill the law. In Christ we overcome sin as He did.

Jesus said there are two laws.. The one is love of God. The other is the love of fellow man.

Failure to do either of these is sin.

No one loves perfectly. For sure a babe in christ can nto love perfectly. Yet they are still in christ.

That's not the point. You can't hide behind being a new babe in Christ forever. The false gospel has made believers to stop growing after the first step...justifying themselves in their sins because Jesus is so forgiving. Unless He spits you out of His mouth....

God is not going to cast them out anymore than he will cast the mature believer.

Human logic alert. Read what I wrote above. Read the parable of the dunging of the tree. After three years of not bearing fruit...it is cut down.

It is not our work that makes us righteous and makes us worthy, it is his work that made us righteous..

False. We will be judged by our own works. Righteous is as righteous does. You are confusing what we do in our own power compared to what WE can do in His power. Claiming all the benefits of Christ (without fulfilling any of the conditions) is a ploy of the carnal "believer".

 

[Hepzibah]

No

He was saved at that moment.

Have you ever read Romans 4

Paul also says that we today who are saved are saved by that same faith.. it is the covenant.. in you shall all the nations be blessed. Through Christ.

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I do not see how Romans 4 contradicts.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There's probably a whole bunch of verses where they were not walking in Christ that a gazillion amount of people throw in my face from this site saying see we are all sinners.

again, what is the defenition of a sinner.

If you go all day walking in christ serving him and others. but take 5 minutes where you serve self and do not love.. are you not a sinner for that day?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And all who enter into Him share in HIS perfection. When you enter into an airplane you partake of the law of flight that overcomes gravity. Without entering INTO the plane you will fall to your death...at whatever altitude. So compare that with breaking one of the laws. In Christ we fulfill the law. In Christ we overcome sin as He did.

So you are perfect?

That's not the point. You can't hide behind being a new babe in Christ forever. The false gospel has made believers to stop growing after the first step...justifying themselves in their sins because Jesus is so forgiving. Unless He spits you out of His mouth....

never said we could

Just said they are just as saved as paul was..

Human logic alert. Read what I wrote above. Read the parable of the dunging of the tree. After three years of not bearing fruit...it is cut down.

lol. You always have to insert self to the equation. Let everyone know how great you are.. where is God in your life/

False. We will be judged by our own works. Righteous is as righteous does. You are confusing what we do in our own power compared to what WE can do in His power. Claiming all the benefits of Christ (without fulfilling any of the conditions) is a ploy of the carnal "believer".

Then you will enter hell

if you think you can work your way out of hell. You will be sadly proven wrong

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I do not see how Romans 4 contradicts.

Romans 4 says Abraham was saved when he believed God. That God would not impute his sin to him,

You say he was not

so who should I believe?

 

[Episkopos]

Followers of "Pauline" (or Paul as interpreted by Luther) get things exactly backwards.

If we get Christ's benefits by only believing in it...then Romans 8:4 would say

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in Christ, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

That's how the reasoning goes. But this is not supported by Paul. Rather he says...

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Grace gives men the power to walk in the perfection of Christ...thus fulfilling the law. Who does that? WE do in His grace.

 

[Peterlag]

The problem is that many think they have 'received' Christ when they have just had an encounter with Him and do not have the fullness of the Spirit within.

Wrong. Please quote him. He was not part of the RCC as it did not exist.


Agreed.

I am not wrong. The Catholics were alive and well in the second century when Irenaeus, (Bishop of Lyon) was a Catholic.

 

[Peterlag]

These are a couple that come to mind:

Eph. 5...where it speaks about marriage and compares it to Christ and the church.

And:

Rom 7:3-4

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

These verses are not referring to Christ and his church. They are referring to a man and a woman.

 

[Hepzibah]

Romans 4 says Abraham was saved when he believed God. That God would not impute his sin to him,

You say he was not

so who should I believe?

It doesn't say he was saved. It says he was made righteous.

 

[Hepzibah]

I am not wrong. The Catholics were alive and well in the second century when Irenaeus, (Bishop of Lyon) was a Catholic.

There were Orthodox believers in Rome at that point.

 

[Peterlag]

What death is this speaking about?

I can think of many verses that speak on this.

The corinthian church. Said to be babes And needing milk. Were they walking in the spirit when Paul scolded them?

Hell no they were not walking in Christ when Paul scolded them.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I see the 2 dynamics. Because on the one hand we see written in the word ,I think it's First Corinthians, where it says some are saved as by fire .
they're saved but their works are burned up.
But then on the other hand (I think it's possibly concerning the New Jerusalem), is that it says,"from without are adulterers whoremongers liars gluttons Etc". And so I think it could be both, because we're kind of like King David.
He sinned, but God did not cast him off. Even his son Solomon did something so Grievous, and yet God told Solomon, because of your father David I will not rip the Kingdom from you.
So basically I see us either walking with him, or doing our own thing. And so ,in my mind, there is a question, of can I walk so far away from him that there's no way home. In other words, can I find my way home?
And we don't know if we stop invoking the blood and we get so carnal that we can't even stand to be around God if we will just be welcomed into heaven.
I hope so. I hope it is like that, that even those that stray away, the Good Shepherd goes and he leaves the 99 and goes after the one.
I do know one thing for a fact is that whatever he does concerning me it will be the correct thing.
He has got me this far and I can't say it's because of my great awesome holiness, all I can say is is that he made me holy and he does require me to walk in that holiness

 

[Peterlag]

again, what is the defenition of a sinner.

If you go all day walking in christ serving him and others. but take 5 minutes where you serve self and do not love.. are you not a sinner for that day?

Did I not answer this already? A sinner is one either not walking in the spirit (I think) or not having the spirit of Christ... meaning an unbeliever.

 

[Hepzibah]

I wrote a paper on sin. A few pages and you can read it here... www.carb-fat.com/walking-by-the-spirit.html

I don't have time to read it as the debate is going so fast. Can you put it in a few sentences?

 

[Hepzibah]

Romans 4 says Abraham was saved when he believed God. That God would not impute his sin to him,

You say he was not

so who should I believe?

It says he was considered righteous not the same thing. I think he was saved on Mount Moriah but don't have a text up till now.

 

[Hepzibah]

There's probably a whole bunch of verses where they were not walking in Christ that a gazillion amount of people throw in my face from this site saying see we are all sinners.

Do you do consultations by the way? Have not had time to find out what your healing advice entails apart from eating foods as given by God.

 

[Episkopos]

So you are perfect?

Talking with you is like asking someone from thousands of years ago...'Have you ever flown"? Of course they would have no idea of what you are talking about asking them something so foreign to their experience.

How could I explain to them that in a plane we can "perfectly" overcome gravity...and fly higher even than birds. "Nonsense!" they would say. But how do we know we are "perfectly" overcoming gravity? Because to see the clouds you have to look down...rather than up.

Have you ever flown? What was your experience concerning gravity?

Have you ever entered INTO Christ? Have you ever partook of His grace to overcome as He did? Have you walked as He walked...in the light as He is in the light? How would you know?

By being seated in heavenly places in Christ we are empowered over sin to walk WHERE He is.