Is there a higher walk for believers in Christ?

[Eternally Grateful]

This is good except God does accept people in the weakness of their flesh....He's just not PLEASED with them. Without faith (real faith) it is impossible to PLEASE God.

Otherwise how could He justify the ungodly? He gives grace to the humble.

so God will not save us while we are yet sinners?

What Kind of God will not accept us in the weakness of our own flesh?

 

[Hepzibah]

Full of the spirit. Can you define this. This is too Vague

I think Jesus gave is the answer.. I am hoping to hear it from someone

Baptized as at Pentecost.

 

[Hepzibah]

This is good except God does accept people in the weakness of their flesh....He's just not PLEASED with them. Without faith (real faith) it is impossible to PLEASE God.

Otherwise how could He justify the ungodly? He gives grace to the humble.

Okay agree.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The problem is that many think they have 'received' Christ when they have just had an encounter with Him and do not have the fullness of the Spirit within.

Worse yet people think they have recieved christ. When they have never even met christ.

They are following a false christ..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Baptized as at Pentecost.

So no one in the ot are saved?

 

[Hepzibah]

So no one in the ot are saved?

Pentecost covers all of time so yes some were saved from sin.

 

[Episkopos]

so God will not save us while we are yet sinners?

What Kind of God will not accept us in the weakness of our own flesh?

God has to translate us into the kingdom walk from somewhere. The problem with reform "theology" is that is is just a superficial conver-up that comes from fully misunderstanding what Paul was talking about.

We are accepted from our weakness into His fulness of power. "He has translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son...to walk as Jesus walked...without sin. As Paul says...the very fulness of God. From there we walk as Jesus walked...in the very image of Christ. No sin is found there.

That's where the whole Pauline doctrines come apart. They have to redefine sin in order to be able to deny the holiness of being in Christ.

 

[Peterlag]

So what of a person who is born again, yet not walking in christ for a period of time ( a few minutes, a few hours or a few days?

This is the only verse I have on that. But I'm not sure if the believer can even do this verse because they can never be involved with a sin unto death. That is for those without the spirit within.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[rebuilder 454]

We are made holy as children of God because we are born again and we are not only redeemed but we are also adopted as his children and so we are family.
Because of our position we are made holy.
And so salvation is one dynamic. But then we walk with the one that made us holy.
So in our walk... that is the battle, because we have three enemies. One is the world, the other is the flesh, and the other is the devil. And so it brings one to tears when we see the awesome provision he has made for us to in fact walk in holiness.
And so that's the thing of it, is that we have a choice to walk with him, and holiness ,or we can stray, and the shiny trinkets of the world and the power that women have over men, and the allurements that are here and there, and and just plain lack of discipline, can put us in a very bad place even as saved believers

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Pentecost covers all of time so yes some were saved from sin.

Saved from sin, or the penalty of sin?

and was not abraham saved the moment he believed God?

 

[Lizbeth]

I read nothing in the New Testament about a marriage. We are the body of Christ. Not the bride.

These are a couple that come to mind:

Eph. 5...where it speaks about marriage and compares it to Christ and the church.

And:

Rom 7:3-4

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

 

[Hepzibah]

Saved from sin, or the penalty of sin?

and was not abraham saved the moment he believed God?

It was counted to him as righteousness. Righteousness is not salvation. It is a person who wants to do right. Later Abraham was saved.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God has to translate us into the kingdom walk from somewhere. The problem with reform "theology" is that is is just a superficial conver-up that comes from fully misunderstanding what Paul was talking about.

We are accepted from our weakness into His fulness of power. "He has translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son...to walk as Jesus walked...without sin. As Paul says...the very fulness of God. From there we walk as Jesus walked...in the very image of Christ. No sin is found there.

That's where the whole Pauline doctrines come apart. They have to redefine sin in order to be able to deny the holiness of being in Christ.

James said if we keep the whole law yet stumble in one point we are guilty

God demanded perfection. Only one person ever met that standard and that is Christ.

Jesus said there are two laws.. The one is love of God. The other is the love of fellow man.

Failure to do either of these is sin.

No one loves perfectly. For sure a babe in christ can nto love perfectly. Yet they are still in christ.

God is not going to cast them out anymore than he will cast the mature believer.

It is not our work that makes us righteous and makes us worthy, it is his work that made us righteous..

 

[Episkopos]

We are made holy as children of God because we are born again and we are not only redeemed but we are also adopted as his children and so we are family.
Because of our position we are made holy.

Position? Or a religious opinion about ourselves. Being born again is a TASTE of holiness...a sample of grace...a down-payment (aravon) of what the final purchased item is. But in order to partake of the heavenly gift we need to lay down our lives. If you are a follower of Christ then listen to Him. In order to get at the treasure we need to BUY the field. What is the cost? ALL. So we give our all in order to get the fulness of God...the full measure of grace.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is the only verse I have on that. But I'm not sure if the believer can even do this verse because they can never be involved with a sin unto death. That is for those without the spirit within.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

What death is this speaking about?

I can think of many verses that speak on this.

The corinthian church. Said to be babes And needing milk. Were they walking in the spirit when Paul scolded them?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

These are a couple that come to mind:

Eph. 5...where it speaks about marriage and compares it to Christ and the church.

And:

Rom 7:3-4

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Amen

once again, Our identity in christ. We are dead to the law. in christ.. the law can not condemn us anymore.. He who knew no sin became sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of christ in him

 

[Peterlag]

Peter I have been hearing something like what you have laid out, and just wonder which teaching has been of influence in it? Or which denomination. So are you saying basically that your revelation came when you saw that Christ 'covers' our sin so God no longer sees it? Thanks.

I wrote a paper on sin. A few pages and you can read it here... www.carb-fat.com/walking-by-the-spirit.html

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We are made holy as children of God because we are born again and we are not only redeemed but we are also adopted as his children and so we are family.
Because of our position we are made holy.
And so salvation is one dynamic. But then we walk with the one that made us holy.
So in our walk... that is the battle, because we have three enemies. One is the world, the other is the flesh, and the other is the devil. And so it brings one to tears when we see the awesome provision he has made for us to in fact walk in holiness.
And so that's the thing of it, is that we have a choice to walk with him, and holiness ,or we can stray, and the shiny trinkets of the world and the power that women have over men, and the allurements that are here and there, and and just plain lack of discipline, can put us in a very bad place even as saved believers

Amen

Again, our identity.

we are in christ.

it is a position.

and it is the root of all hope for anyone who is his child..

 

[rebuilder 454]

We have to, as believers, understand "passive and proactive".
I call it "greasy grace" when believers think they don't repent, when they sin, because sin is automatically forgiven.
Once we choose to sin, it is necessary to run back to Jesus and get it straightened out.
Proactive is correct.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It was counted to him as righteousness. Righteousness is not salvation. It is a person who wants to do right. Later Abraham was saved.

No

He was saved at that moment.

Have you ever read Romans 4

Paul also says that we today who are saved are saved by that same faith.. it is the covenant.. in you shall all the nations be blessed. Through Christ.

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