Is there a higher walk for believers in Christ?

[Ronald David Bruno]

Naming and claiming doesn't produce holiness. We have been given a free sample of grace in order to seek Christ and His kingdom realm. Of course few will enter in.

No. WE fulfill the requirements of the law through Him.

No one ever fulfilled the requirements of the LAW. This is why Jesus did it for us. HELLO! Otherewise, we would have the mindset of the Jews, still trying to live by the LAW, always failing. That was the whole story of the Jews, They were the test case for the world. They were given the Law and proved that they could not keep it, hence, Christ, our Savior came.

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Rom. 8:4

There is no condemnation in Christ. This verse is showing a distinction between believers and non-believers. We walk in the Spirit, because we have been translated as you say. God lives in us. As you asy again, Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. SO HOW CAN WE FAIL?We are set free from the Law of sin and death (vs.2) Why don't you read vs 3 with that? Jesus was sent to die for our sins "that the Law might be fulfilled in us", meaning IF WE BELIEVE IN HIM.

How can we be acceptable in our behaviour when we are physically dead? You have to give this some thought...any thought.

You do not understand 2 Cor. 5:9. Look at vs, 1: "Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, and eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands." Our "tent" is our physical body. The building from God, is our spirit. Vs.8: "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord". Away from the body means dead. Then when we die we go home. This is Christianity 101.

You seem to have a problem with proof texting, taking verses out of context.

 

[Episkopos]

No one ever fulfilled the requirements of the LAW. This is why Jesus did it for us. HELLO! Otherewise, we would have the mindset of the Jews, still trying to live by the LAW, always failing. That was the whole story of the Jews, They were the test case for the world. They were given the Law and proved that they could not keep it, hence, Christ, our Savior came.

There is no condemnation in Christ. This verse is showing a distinction between believers and non-believers. We walk in the Spirit, because we have been translated as you say. God lives in us. As you asy again, Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. SO HOW CAN WE FAIL?We are set free from the Law of sin and death (vs.2) Why don't you read vs 3 with that? Jesus was sent to die for our sins "that the Law might be fulfilled in us", meaning IF WE BELIEVE IN HIM.

You do not understand 2 Cor. 5:9. Look at vs, 1: "Now we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, and eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands." Our "tent" is our physical body. The building from God, is our spirit. Vs.8: "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord". Away from the body means dead. Then when we die we go home. This is Christianity 101.

You seem to have a problem with proof texting, taking verses out of context.

The irony!

 

[Peterlag]

Let's try to stay with th exposition of Scripture, shall we? No need to make things personal or ridiculous.

Much love!

Well, I have a lot of you folks for a long time telling me I'm flawed and my concepts make no sense. I thought I would give a little back. The word "flesh" is mentioned a gazillion times in the Bible and it carries many meanings.

 

[Peterlag]

You could just look at both sides of the debate.
Both sides have talking points.
He, The Holy Spirit, is called a He, and He is manifest several places in the NT.
How could He possibly not exist?

The words “HOLY SPIRIT” in the Bible are primarily used in two very different ways: One way is to refer to God Himself and the other is referring to God’s nature that He gives to people. God is holy and is spirit and therefore “the Holy Spirit” with a capital “H” and a capital “S” is one of the many “names” or designations for God. God gives His holy spirit nature to people as a gift and when HOLY SPIRIT is used that way it should be translated as the “holy spirit” with a lowercase “h” and a lowercase “s.” The Bible says there is one God, and one Lord, who is the man Jesus Christ; and one gift of the holy spirit. Most Christians are aware that the original manuscripts of the Bible were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. However, it's not well known that Hebrew and Aramaic do not have upper-case and lower-case letters, but rather they just have one form for their letters.

Greek does have upper and lower-case letters, but the early Greek manuscripts were all written with only upper-case letters. Therefore, the early manuscripts had no such thing as the “Holy Spirit” or the “holy spirit” because what was always written was the "HOLY SPIRIT." The capital or lower-case letters are always a translator’s interpretation whenever we read “Holy Spirit” or “holy spirit” or “Spirit” or “spirit” in the English Bible. The difference is usually due to the theology of the translator. The bottom line is we cannot know from the Hebrew or Greek texts whether the Author meant the “Holy Spirit” or the “holy spirit” because we must decide based on the context and scope of Scripture whether the reference being made is to God or God’s gift.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I don't think he contradicted himself in the next breath.

You've got the posts mixed up so you can't make sense of them. B basically said that those in Christ can never lose their salvation. And when I asked him to reflect on Matthew 7:19-23 and John 15:1-4. especially 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit" he wouldn't answer with scripture, only with His own opinion. The only opinion worth anything is God's scripture in context. Why do you think he wouldn't answer?

 

[Peterlag]

So you excuse your sin

Perfect is to be without sin, Another term is righteous. Only God is Good (Jesus words not mine)
1 John speaks of habitual sin, it does not say they are without sin. John would not contradict himself. he made it clear. if we (he included himself) say we are without sin (present tense) we decieve ourself and there is no truth in us

I do not believe John was talking to the Christian in the verse that you mention. A belief system called Gnosticism was taking root in Christianity at the time the book of John was being written that taught there was a supreme and unknowable Being, which they designated as the "Monad." The Monad produced various gods, who in turn produced other gods, and one of these gods called the "Demiurge" created the earth and then ruled over it as an angry, evil and jealous god. Gnostics believe this evil god was the god of the Old Testament who is called "Elohim" and so the Monad had to send another god known as the "Christ" to bring special knowledge to mankind and free them from the influence of the evil Elohim. And this is why the gnostics do not seek salvation from repenting of their sin (but rather from the ignorance of which sin is a consequence) that they believe the evil creator God and his angels caused. They emphasize salvation of select humans from bodily existence through their awakening to the knowledge of their original divine identity. I believe the Apostle John had them on his mind when he wrote the Epistle of 1 John saying you must realize you have sin and repent. John was not talking to the already saved Christian as the Catholics would like you to believe.

 

[Peterlag]

But your not in him 24/7

No one is.

Now why would you think I'm not in Christ from sun up to sun down?

 

[Waiting on him]

You've got the posts mixed up so you can't make sense of them. B basically said that those in Christ can never lose their salvation. And when I asked him to reflect on Matthew 7:19-23 and John 15:1-4. especially 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit" he wouldn't answer with scripture, only with His own opinion. The only opinion worth anything is God's scripture in context. Why do you think he wouldn't answer?

Do you believe being born of God and salvation are the same thing?

 

[Waiting on him]

Now why would you think I'm not in Christ from sun up to sun down?

How did you enter in to Christ?

 

[Waiting on him]

Well, I have a lot of you folks for a long time telling me I'm flawed and my concepts make no sense. I thought I would give a little back. The word "flesh" is mentioned a gazillion times in the Bible and it carries many meanings.

It seems that flesh is primarily used in context to the observation of Judaism.

 

[Peterlag]

Matthew 5:48 - Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Hebrews 10:14 - For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

James 3:2 - For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

James 1:17 - Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Luke 16:13 - No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Hebrews 2:10 - For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

2 Corinthians 7:1 - Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Romans 12:1-2 - I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. (Read More...)

James 1:25 - But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

*** Okay I will do them all...

Matthew 5:48 - Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

*** Not talking to Christians. Christ has not even been resurrected.

Romans 12:2 - And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

*** Perfect will of God is not us being perfect it's God.

Hebrews 10:14 - For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

*** Christ perfected. Not us.

James 3:2 - For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

*** Perfect here is not talking about sin since I can offend without sinning.

James 1:17 - Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

*** Perfect gifts from above is from God and has nothing to do with men being perfect. I'm going to stop here. You got nothing here.

 

[marks]

If you had gone one verse farther, I believe Paul DID make it. 16Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind. IOW live up to the finishing sanding God has done in us already.

12) Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13) Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

Paul wrote, not as though I had already attained, indicating he had not yet.

You've asserted his admonition that to the degree we have attained, let us walk by the same. I'm saying Paul did not say he had not attained, and then in the next breath say something else indicating he had attained.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Well, I have a lot of you folks for a long time telling me I'm flawed and my concepts make no sense. I thought I would give a little back. The word "flesh" is mentioned a gazillion times in the Bible and it carries many meanings.

I thought you were addressing me, not "you folks". I thought that was out of character for you! But I think I understand. Not to worry!

Much love!

 

[Peterlag]

But can you sin in the future?

I don't know how I became the subject of sin. The Bible says I'm the righteousness of God and that I have died to sin. If you want to believe you are still trash. Then go right ahead.

 

[marks]

You've got the posts mixed up so you can't make sense of them. B basically said that those in Christ can never lose their salvation. And when I asked him to reflect on Matthew 7:19-23 and John 15:1-4. especially 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit" he wouldn't answer with scripture, only with His own opinion. The only opinion worth anything is God's scripture in context. Why do you think he wouldn't answer?

Um . . . I'm relooking at this . . . perhaps you have the wrong post in your reply?

Much love!

 

[Peterlag]

It seems that flesh is primarily used in context to the observation of Judaism.

Gentiles too.

 

[marks]

I don't know how I became the subject of sin. The Bible says I'm the righteousness of God and that I have died to sin. If you want to believe you are still trash. Then go right ahead.

Why is it that some people simply will not answer such a question? I don't understand that, unless you are experience a cognitive dissonance, and don't know how to answer?

Some teach that Christians still commit sins, and some teach they don't. Some teach they only commit certain kinds of sins, and some teach that unless they can cease from all sin, they will cease from being a Christian. Some teach that Christians may do "works of the flesh", but that as there is no law these are not sin. And I've heard different ideas still.

I've found there are some who simply will not give a direct answer regarding their stance, while they do imply various things in their statments.

I've found questioners who are simply looking for clarity from those whom they question.

My 2 cents.

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

12) Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
13) Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

Paul wrote, not as though I had already attained, indicating he had not yet.

You've asserted his admonition that to the degree we have attained, let us walk by the same. I'm saying Paul did not say he had not attained, and then in the next breath say something else indicating he had attained.

Much love!

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
— Ephesians 4:11-13

Why give the offices of the the ministry for the perfecting of the saints if it is unobtainable, and to be an individual in one of these offices would one not need be perfect?

 

[Peterlag]

How did you enter in to Christ?

I now understand being in Christ is being in the spirit and neither of them (in Christ or in the spirit) has anything to do with the darn flesh. It now seems perfectly clear to walk in or by the spirit is the same as putting on the Lord Jesus Christ. It's the same as having fellowship with Jesus Christ, which is also part of having the mind of Christ. Living in Christ is the same as being strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. There's a verse where Jesus says without me you can do nothing. Well, I'm never without him. So I can continue to say I have the mind of Christ, and therefore can stand fast in the Lord, whereby I can do all things through Christ. Why? Because as I have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so I can walk in him.

 

[Waiting on him]

I now understand being in Christ is being in the spirit and neither of them (in Christ or in the spirit) has anything to do with the darn flesh. It now seems perfectly clear to walk in or by the spirit is the same as putting on the Lord Jesus Christ. It's the same as having fellowship with Jesus Christ, which is also part of having the mind of Christ. Living in Christ is the same as being strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. There's a verse where Jesus says without me you can do nothing. Well, I'm never without him. So I can continue to say I have the mind of Christ, and therefore can stand fast in the Lord, whereby I can do all things through Christ. Why? Because as I have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so I can walk in him.

Interestingly Paul states in Hebrews that they entered in through his flesh

By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
— Hebrews 10:20