You are not saved not until you have been Born Again of imperishable seed, then we know we have been saved from eternal damnation...and not before.
Is there a higher walk for believers in Christ?
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Waiting on him
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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
— 1 John 3:9-10
Whoever is Born Again of imperishable seed 100% knows it, in my case from day one.....they also know that the seed of God/ the Holy Spirit liveth and abideth in their hearts/ Spirit forever.
Praise God for that heart revelation!
Praise God for that heart revelation!
Waiting on him
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I'm just asking you to clarify your view/position on this particular point. I understand that you don't want to do that, I'm past it.
Much love!
I don't see anywhere in Scripture that tells me that being fully conformed to Jesus Christ's death is not attainable. But I do see that Paul wrote he had not yet attained it. I know that I have not.
Paul wrote that he had not attained it, and yet I wouldn't try to argue that this means he was not suitable to be an apostle, clearly he was.
Much love!
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Eternally Grateful
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All this obsession with salvation. The bible uses sozo to mean more than that. Normally it means to make well or preserve. The jailer thought that he would be put to death for letting the prisoners out. Paul assured him that he and his family would be spared (not eternal saved) by trusting in the Lord. (It was the Lord that had opened up the prison)
The same kind of thing happens during a shipwreck where Paul says that whoever remains in the ship will be saved. It's funny that that salvation is NEVER mentioned in sermons. It's a conflict of interest. Imagine people buying boats to live on thinking that they will be saved by simply staying on a boat..
“Paul said to the centurion and to the soldiers, Except these abide in the ship, you cannot be saved.” Acts 27:21
Eternally Grateful
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If you read this as written origionally.
It actually means they can not habitually, in practice live in sin.
It does not mean they can not sin period. John would be contradicting himself.
I am putting Gods word in the right context.
And I suggest you do the same to my posts, if you see that they are out of context.
Only when you limit God to your own experience. You deny the written word, instead interpreting it to satisfy your religious aspirations.
Does the blood of Jesus cleanse us from SOME sin (or all sin). In Him is SOME sin (or no sin).
We actually reveal our experience with God by how we either affirm or deny the plain biblical narrative.
A Born Again cannot go on sinning because we have been Born Again/of imperishable seed.
That seed that was planted when we received the gift of Faith which is a manifestation of the Spirit, the seed / word of God manifests itself in our hearts, as he in dwells his Born Again child , the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children, he speaks to our spirit, how else would I know I have been Born Again of imperishable seed.
Therefore my old nature is dead and sins no more...I have my new nature and that new nature is in Christ....I am no longer in the flesh I am in the Spirit..
. The new nature is the divine nature. It is the very nature of God Himself – look up and compare John 1:12-13 (notice the last three words) with 2 Peter 1:3-4. This new nature within is the very life of the risen Lord who is upon the throne of God, and this life is imparted to us by the Holy Spirit
The Old Man of Sin is Dead and Gone
“For we know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin (our sinful nature) might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin.” Romans 6:6We are Born Again in our spirit not our intellect.
A Born Again abideth in Him because they have been Born Again of imperishable seed that abideth and liveth forever.
That means the Holy Spirit liveth and abideth forever in our hearts/ spirit.
The Old Man of Sin is Dead and Gone
“For we know that our old self was crucified with Him in order that our body of sin (our sinful nature) might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin.” Romans 6:61 John 3
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3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Romans 6:6
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knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin
Source: 5 Bible verses about Old Nature
(Colossians 2:6–23) 1And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. 3All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. 4But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! 6And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, 7in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.a  |
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1stCenturyLady
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I agree that we can be perfect. It is what Jesus claimed for His brethren in Romans 8:29 because Jesus was Himself perfect. The difficulty is convincing those in the Laodecian Church age to accept it for themselves, because unless you know that Jesus wasn't lying when He said In Matthew 5 we shall be perfect in our own lifetime we never will be. For as a man thinks in his heart so is he.
Most of them believe what Jesus said about us being perfect is after death, believing the lies of demons that we will still sin until we receive our new bodies. Demons know that will be too late, because when we die, whatever state of being we are then we will be forever. Besides being BORN AGAIN of the Spirit to be in Christ, we must also be ABIDING IN JESUS.
Eternally Grateful
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Keep on watering down the law and trying to purchase your way to heaven.
You will not be happy with the results
Waiting on him
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This is first John. Now why do I have to prove it? I did not write the book. My question to many of you is why do you want to believe you are trash... a sinner when God says you are righteous.
1 John 3 & 5
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not.
Those who are the called of God, are the ones He invited into this extraordinary liberation from the slavery of sin nature, and therefore was able to transform us into a more excellent beauty. I would like to point out we can only be glorified because it's God’s superiority, and exalted light that has magnified the Christ to shine in such beauty as an image of light, with divine praise, honor and dignity. It's the Christ who blazed a trail to God’s heart of love, and therefore was the first who was transformed into a more splendid and excellent beauty.Make it 13 now.
Just kidding.
Those who are the called of God, are the ones He invited into this extraordinary liberation from the slavery of sin nature, and therefore was able to transform us into a more excellent beauty. I would like to point out we can only be glorified because it's God’s superiority, and exalted light that has magnified the Christ to shine in such beauty as an image of light, with divine praise, honor and dignity. It's the Christ who blazed a trail to God’s heart of love, and therefore was the first who was transformed into a more splendid and excellent beauty.
You folks like to think you are trash... a sinner and therefore garbage in God's eyes. I like to think I'm the called of God, among the ones He invited into this extraordinary liberation from the slavery of sin nature, and therefore was able to transform us into a more excellent beauty. I would like to point out we can only be glorified because it's God’s superiority, and exalted light that has magnified the Christ to shine in such beauty as an image of light, with divine praise, honor and dignity. It's the Christ who blazed a trail to God’s heart of love, and therefore was the first who was transformed into a more splendid and excellent beauty.
There are many descriptions, titles, and names for God in the Bible and I would like to add God’s proper name is “Yahweh” which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament and is generally translated as “LORD.” But God is also referred to as Elohim, Adonai, El Shaddai, the Ancient of Days, the Holy One of Israel, Father, Shield, and by many more designations. Furthermore, God is holy (Leviticus 11:44), which is why He was called “the Holy One” (the Hebrew text uses the singular adjective “holy” to designate “the Holy One." He is also spirit (John 4:24). It makes perfect sense since God is holy and God is spirit that “Holy” and “Spirit” are sometimes combined and used as one of the many designations for God. Thus, the Hebrew or Greek words for the "HOLY SPIRIT" should be brought into English as the "Holy Spirit” when the subject of a verse is God.
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