Born Again or Christian? Is there a difference and what is your biblical support ?

[Ritajanice]

We were all born with a spirit.....we all came from God.....In very simple terms....our spiritually dead spirit.....that we were born with, needs to be reconciled back to God.....it needs to be Born of the Spirit of God/ Holy Spirit, how easy is that to understand.

Our spirit needs to be Born Again.....you can read up on it, but, being Born Of The Spirit, is a supernatural act that only God can do, via his Holy Spirit..

It’s a miraculous rebirth.....

Born Again Of Imperishable seed....we also receive the gift of Faith......anyone can believe, being Born Of The Spirit, is having an intimate relationship with God.

Get it...,Born Of The Spirit?.......what relationship do you have with out his Spirit?.....none!.....to know God, to follow God...it’s imperative that our spirit has been Born Again...that is when he brings our spirit Alive in Christ, he brings our spirit Alive....regenerates our spirit.....

The Holy Spirit is Alive and Active....he’s not dead in Spirit...his word is Alive and Active.

 

[JBO]

We were all born with a spirit.....we all came from God.....In very simple terms....our spiritually dead spirit.....that we were born with, needs to be reconciled back to God.....it needs to be Born of the Spirit of God/ Holy Spirit, how easy is that to understand.

Do you seriously believe that God forms a spiritually dead spirit in us at birth? I would hope not.

 

[Ritajanice]

Do you seriously believe that God forms a spiritually dead spirit in us at birth? I would hope not.

Lol....do you actually know what Spiritually dead means?

Quote Gods word when you understand what “ spiritually dead” means...as of yet, you only voice your opinion on what it means to be spiritually dead.

Your spirit needs to be reconciled back to God @JBO ...what does that mean?

Ephesians 2:1-10​

1 In the past you were spiritually dead because of your disobedience and sins. 1
2 At that time you followed the world's evil way; you obeyed the ruler of the spiritual powers in space, the spirit who now controls the people who disobey God.
3 Actually all of us were like them and lived according to our natural desires, doing whatever suited the wishes of our own bodies and minds. In our natural condition we, like everyone else, were destined to suffer God's anger.
4 But God's mercy is so abundant, and his love for us is so great,
5 that while we were spiritually dead in our disobedience he brought us to life with Christ. It is by God's grace that you have been saved.
6 In our union with Christ Jesus he raised us up with him to rule with him in the heavenly world.
7 He did this to demonstrate for all time to come the extraordinary greatness of his grace in the love he showed us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts,
9 but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.
10 God has made us what we are, and in our union with Christ Jesus he has created us for a life of good deeds, which he has already prepared for us to do.

 

[Ritajanice]

Do you seriously believe that God forms a spiritually dead spirit in us at birth? I would hope not.

Forms?

Our spirit when we are Born is spiritually dead.

What does spiritually dead mean?

I’m afraid one can only understand this in the “ Spirit “...even after becoming Born Again, it can take years to understand what spiritual death means...

Spiritual death.....we are born spiritually dead..we need to be regenerated..by Gods Spirit?

Do you understand that our spirit needs to be Born Again...not our intellect...my dear...

 

[Ritajanice]

Predestined to become Born Again, by God......via his Living word the Holy Spirit.

Born Again of imperishable seed and God given faith to know and have a relationship with God,via his Spirit.

God given faith is Alive and Active and accomplishes Gods will...nothing can stop the will of God being done on this earth....period......why, because God’s Spirit is a “ LIVING “ Spirit.
He cannot be contained in the SMALL MIND OF A MANS UNDERSTANDING OR THINKING....there silly “ INTELLECT “...

 

[JBO]

Forms?

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel. Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him,

 

[Ritajanice]

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD concerning Israel. Thus declares the LORD who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him,

And?

What on earth are you trying to say?

Answer my questions, this scripture has NOTHING to do with being Born of the Spirit.

You said our spirit is not spiritually dead.....Gods word proved your ridiculous intellect wrong?

We were SPIRITUALLY DEAD...you said Gods word doesn’t say that @JBO ....your word is nonsense..Gods word is truth....what are you trying to prove.
That your intellect is above the word of God?

 

[JBO]

Lol....do you actually know what Spiritually dead means?

Quote Gods word when you understand what “ spiritually dead” means...as of yet, you only voice your opinion on what it means to be spiritually dead.

Your spirit needs to be reconciled back to God @JBO ...what does that mean?

Ephesians 2:1-10​

1 In the past you were spiritually dead because of your disobedience and sins. 1
2 At that time you followed the world's evil way; you obeyed the ruler of the spiritual powers in space, the spirit who now controls the people who disobey God.
3 Actually all of us were like them and lived according to our natural desires, doing whatever suited the wishes of our own bodies and minds. In our natural condition we, like everyone else, were destined to suffer God's anger.
4 But God's mercy is so abundant, and his love for us is so great,
5 that while we were spiritually dead in our disobedience he brought us to life with Christ. It is by God's grace that you have been saved.
6 In our union with Christ Jesus he raised us up with him to rule with him in the heavenly world.
7 He did this to demonstrate for all time to come the extraordinary greatness of his grace in the love he showed us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith. It is not the result of your own efforts,
9 but God's gift, so that no one can boast about it.
10 God has made us what we are, and in our union with Christ Jesus he has created us for a life of good deeds, which he has already prepared for us to do.

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins.....,

Col 2:13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and.....

 

[JBO]

And?

What on earth are you trying to say?

God would not and does not form spirits that are dead to begin with. Your idea that He does is blasphemous.

 

[Ritajanice]

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins.....,

Col 2:13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and.....

And?

Maybe this will help your spiritual understanding?

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What is spiritual death?​

ANSWER

Death is separation. A physical death is the separation of the soul from the body. Spiritual death, which is of greater significance, is the separation of the soul from God. In Genesis 2:17, God tells Adam that in the day he eats of the forbidden fruit he will “surely die.” Adam does fall, but his physical death does not occur immediately; God must have had another type of death in mind—spiritual death. This separation from God is exactly what we see in Genesis 3:8. When Adam and Eve heard the voice of the Lord, they “hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God.” The fellowship had been broken. They were spiritually dead.

A man without Christ is spiritually dead. Paul describes it as “being alienated from the life of God” in Ephesians 4:18. (To be separated from life is the same as being dead.) The natural man, like Adam hiding in the garden, is isolated from God. When we are born again, the spiritual death is reversed. Before salvation, we are dead (spiritually), but Jesus gives us life. “And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,” (Ephesians 2:1 NKJV). “When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins” (Colossians 2:13).

 

[Ritajanice]

God would not and does not form spirits that are dead to begin with. Your idea that He does is blasphemous.

Who said dead....I said “ Spiritually Dead” don’t try putting words in my mouth...because you are still in the intellect?

Show me where I said “ DEAD”?...reading a bible and going to seminary’s ...intellect knowledge wont make you Born Again @JBO

We were Born Spiritually Dead...instead of fighting against God’s word.

Try telling us in the “ Spirit “ what it means?

And not your own intellect...which you keep voicing.

You imo have NO spiritual knowledge or understanding....all you do is argue against the word of God, in your nonsensical intellect...

I ask again are you Born Again or are you a Christian?

 

[JBO]

Spiritual death, which is of greater significance, is the separation of the soul from God.

So you do believe that God formed a spirit in you that was separated from Him to begin with. Absolutely ridiculous. It was (born from God) alive when He formed it in you. It became dead in your trespasses and sins. That is why it needs to be REborn.

 

[Ritajanice]

So you do believe that God formed a spirit in you that was separated from Him to begin with. Absolutely ridiculous. It was (born from God) alive when He formed it in you. It became dead in your trespasses and sins. That is why it needs to be REborn.

Oh my word...once again you are thinking in your own intellect.

Back up your nonsensical post, with the word of God?

If we weren’t separated from God , because of the fall.

Why do we need to be Born Again?...Born Of The Spirit? @JBO ?

Your post has no standing up against God’s word.

Why , because it’s said in your own intellect.

You must be Born Again to understand God’s word @JBO

 

[Ritajanice]

. It was (born from God) alive when He formed it in you. It became dead in your trespasses and sins. That is why it needs to be REborn.

Show scripture please...not your opinion as we see here.

 

[JBO]

Oh my word...once again you are thinking in your own intellect.

Back up your nonsensical post, with the word of God?

I did in Reply #388. The only "Fall" that caused you to be spiritually dead was your own fall.

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins.....,

Col 2:13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and.....

 

[Ritajanice]

I did in Reply #388. The only "Fall" that caused you to be spiritually dead was your own fall.

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins.....,

Col 2:13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and.....

No....you have taken a few verses and made them say what you want them to say.

We were spiritually dead, as Gods word says...he brought our spirit Alive with Christ..

Plus once again...you cannot answer any biblical questions I ask you....I believe you can’t answer them...because you only understand in the intellect and not the Spirit.

And still you evade my questions...are you Born Again?

 

[Ritajanice]

I did in Reply #388. The only "Fall" that caused you to be spiritually dead was your own fall.

Back this nonsensical nonsense with scripture please?

Not a few verses of scripture completely out of context.

Why were we in our trespasses and sins....that was our fault was it?..prove it then ,by using Gods word?

We inherited sin from Adam...my opinion.

We were born with a sin nature..we were born alienated from the Spirit of God...meaning our spirit was alienated from God.....and NO it was NOT our FAULT..my opinion.

 

[JBO]

No....you have taken a few verses and made them say what you want them to say.

I just posted the Scripture.

We were spiritually dead, as Gods word says...he brought our spirit Alive with Christ..

He brought out spirit alive AGAIN with Christ.

Plus once again...you cannot answer any biblical questions I ask you....I believe you can’t answer them...because you only understand in the intellect and not the Spirit.

You obviously can't read

And still you evade my questions...are you Born Again?

I you bothered to read, you would know the answer to that question. But you don't read.

 

[Ritajanice]

As you keep doing @JBO evading all biblical questions asked of you...

It can take many years to understand that of the Holy Spirit./ Gods word.....it did me...how long have you been Born Again @JBO ....only the Holy Spirit can bring us to spiritual understanding, you know that right @JBO .?

I was Born Again nearly 32 yrs ago.....

 

[JBO]

As you keep doing @JBO evading all biblical questions asked of you...

I haven't evaded anything, you just don't bother to actually read.

I became a born again Christian (saved, regenerated) about 75 years ago.