Peter the Rock?

[Marymog]

Appeal to Authority. Older does not mean correct.

You are confusing Peterian eisegesis with proper exegesis from Scripture. John 3:16 does NOT read, God so loved the world that he gave Peter ...

Dear, dear wrangler,

John 3:16 has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about. How bizarre to even bring that up.

But you think you have a cute quip that supports your theory that Peter isn't the rock even thought Jesus says he is.

I will keep repeating His words; you are Peter, and on this rock

You can keep twisting His words.

 

[Wrangler]

Appeal to WHO's authority?

Any authority that is not warranted is an illogical form of arguing.

Peter is not my Savior ... drops mic.
Game. Set. Match.

 

[Wrangler]

your theory that Peter isn't the rock even thought Jesus says he is

Jesus does not say Peter is THE rock.

you are Peter, and on this rock​

The debate rages over whether “the rock” on which Christ will build His church is Peter, or Peter’s confession that Jesus is “the Christ, the Son of the Living God” (Matthew 16:16).

 

[Wrangler]

Yes, older DOES mean correct. 2 thess. 2:15

LOL. Sad attempt in doubling down that the Apostles said the church is based on the man Peter.

Very pathetic.

How sad it must be to post time and again that all you believe about the supremacy of your denomination comes down to a total failure of discerning who your savior is, who the church is built on.

In your view, Christ need not suffered and died. All he had to do was say, "Peter, you are the rock upon which I will build my church" and then live it up in heaven. Unreal. But that is the delusion of some.

 

[Marymog]

LOL. Sad attempt in doubling down that the Apostles said the church is based on the man Peter.

Very pathetic.

Never said that.

 

[Marymog]

How sad it must be to post time and again that all you believe about the supremacy of your denomination comes down to a total failure of discerning who your savior is, who the church is built on.

In your view, Christ need not suffered and died. All he had to do was say, "Peter, you are the rock upon which I will build my church" and then live it up in heaven. Unreal. But that is the delusion of some.

How sad that you don't know Scripture: Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.

 

[Marymog]

Any authority that is not warranted is an illogical form of arguing.

Peter is not my Savior ... drops mic.
Game. Set. Match.

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Authority that is not warranted according to who? YOU? Can you really not see your circular reasoning?

Also, I never said, and The Church has never taught that Peter is our Saviour. That's just something you made up.

Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive,....

Who rules over you Wrangler that you are submissive to? And you can't say Jesus or God because that passage is talking about men/humans/elders etc.

I already know you don't have a logical answer sooooooooo I am not sure why I am AWaI.

 

[Wrangler]

Never said that.

Sure it is! Jesus is just a figure head to you Peterians. Sad you have fallen for the power play.

 

[Wrangler]

How sad that you don't know Scripture: Obey those who rule over you,

No one on Earth rules over me. I am a free man and know Scripture; where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And it ain’t with you Peterians!

 

[Wrangler]

Authority that is not warranted according to who? YOU

I’m OK with that! God did not give me a reasoning mind to forgo its use.

It’s so funny how much power and authority you ascribe to a denotation founded in the 12th century.

Perverters of the Scripture
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Was Peter the first Pope?
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if Peter was the rock, why did the apostle Paul call Christ the ROCK (1 Corinthians 10:4), the only FOUNDATION (1 Corinthians 3: 11), and Peter himself called Christ the CHIEF CORNER STONE (1 Peter 2:6)?

 

[RedFan]

I think the point that @BreadOfLife is making, and Scripture makes it clear, is that the sin between them can only be settled by going to THE Church, not A (any) church. THE Church, according to Scripture, is the pillar and foundation of truth. That means there can only be One Church.

Do you believe that the Episcopalian denomination is the "pillar and foundation of truth" that every Christian should go to settle our differences?

Mary

I do not believe that the Episcopal church is where all Christians should go to settle their differences. And I do not believe that the Episcopal church is the "pillar and foundation of truth" to the exclusion of all other denominations. But I do believe it is a part of the church of the living God, just as the RCC is.

 

[Phoneman777]

Thanks Phoneman,

My research shows that your "rolling pebble" statement is not true: Petros, the greek name Petros

Strong's Greek: 4074. Πέτρος (Petros) -- "a stone" or "a boulder," Peter, one of the twelve apostles

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πετρα | Abarim Publications Theological Dictionary (New Testament Greek)

A close look at the Greek word: πετρα | Abarim Publications Theological Dictionary (New Testament Greek)

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What is your interpretation of, "I will give YOU the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever YOU bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever YOU loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Mary

Many Greek scholars disagree with you. They agree that "petros" was the smaller and the "petra" was the larger.

 

[Phoneman777]

Abandon Christ’s Church and join a bizarre cult with heterodox teachings that was hatched by a delusional woman in the 19th century??

Uhhhhh – NO thanks.

You really wanna stick with a church that by her own mouth disqualifies herself as the "remnant" church?

 

[Illuminator]

LOL. Sad attempt in doubling down that the Apostles said the church is based on the man Peter.

Peter doesn't build the Church.

Very pathetic.

How sad it must be to post time and again that all you believe about the supremacy of your denomination comes down to a total failure of discerning who your savior is, who the church is built on.

Idiotic statements like this is why I have you on ignore.

In your view, Christ need not suffered and died. All he had to do was say, "Peter, you are the rock upon which I will build my church" and then live it up in heaven. Unreal. But that is the delusion of some.

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[Zao is life]

First of all – it’s not “blasphemy” to point out YOU lack of faith. Blasphemy refers to offenses against GOD – and YOU are NOT God.

As to YOUR rejections of Christ – I’m just judging your fruits – NOT your soul.

YOU stated the following:
“Also, any church that ever has, or that still does claim there is no salvation outside of their church, we see as a cult.”

This is a rejection of the fact that the Church IS Christ – hence a rejection of Christ.

In Acts 9, Saul meets Jesus on the Road to Damascus:
Acts 9:4-5
He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” 5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.

WHO was Saul persecuting? The CHURCH.
Jesus equates His very SELF with His Church.

The church Paul was persecuting was NOT the Catholic Church whose headquarters is in the Vatican.

Paul was persecuting the church, yes.

So are you.

And your cult is not a church, since you claim there is no salvation outside of your cult. And your cult is full of false doctrines and evil practices and does not even know let alone teach the true gospel of God.

And you are a blasphemer, equating Christ with the fallible, mortal men in your cult who are both capable of sin and who commit the sin of blasphemy against Christ, and claiming that whoever rejects the authority of your cult is rejecting the authority of the one and only true Christ.

Your cult is the thief and the robber who does not go in by the door in John 10. Your cult is the voice of the stranger:

John 10
1 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter into the sheepfold by the door, but going up by another way, that one is a thief and a robber.
2 But he who enters in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 The doorkeeper opens to him, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
4 And when he puts forth his own sheep, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him. For they know his voice.
5 And they will not follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.

Though the above reference to the thief and robber is true of your cult, you do not understand this, because you cannot hear.

And you cannot hear because you are not of His sheep. You are a blasphemer:

26 But you did not believe because you are not of My sheep. As I said to you,
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.
29 My Father who gave them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand.
30 I and the Father are one!

 

[Marymog]

Many Greek scholars disagree with you. They agree that "petros" was the smaller and the "petra" was the larger.

Thanks Phoneman,

I provided links to 3 separate websites that support my statement.

Would you provide evidence to back up your statement?

Thank you in advance.....Mary

 

[Marymog]

I do not believe that the Episcopal church is where all Christians should go to settle their differences. And I do not believe that the Episcopal church is the "pillar and foundation of truth" to the exclusion of all other denominations. But I do believe it is a part of the church of the living God, just as the RCC is.

Thanks RedFan,

Today, just like 2,000 years ago, there IS The Church that Christ started that IS the pillar and foundation of Truth! That Church IS where we are to go when we have a disagreement, and that Church is a fulfilment of Matthew 18:17 when it comes to the final decision on who is right. That Church IS the fulfillment of John 17:20-23!

Your "church of the living God" statement occurs only one time in Scripture: 1 Timothy 3:15. Taking those 5 words into context with all of 1 Timothy 3, how does your "part of the church of the living God" make sense? To me it doesn't and you "part of" addition to that passage takes it from ONE Church to many churches. 1 Timothy is clearly talking about one authoritative Church, not one part of The Church. Based on your statement it appears to me you don't believe that there is an authoritative Church. All denominations are the same when it comes to authority. (?)

Mary

 

[Marymog]

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if Peter was the rock, why did the apostle Paul call Christ the ROCK (1 Corinthians 10:4), the only FOUNDATION (1 Corinthians 3: 11), and Peter himself called Christ the CHIEF CORNER STONE (1 Peter 2:6)?

Hey Wrangler.....I never said, and The Church has never taught that Peter was THE rock of The Church

You really should read ALL of Scripture instead of cherry picking passages that your men have taught you to support their belief. It is true that Jesus is the Church’s cornerstone, not its entire foundation. A cornerstone is only one piece of a foundation (the corner part of it), and this doesn’t exclude other pieces. Ephesians 2:20, says the household of God is “built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone.”

Revelations 21:14: Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Your welcome......Mary

 

[Marymog]

No one on Earth rules over me. I am a free man and know Scripture; where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And it ain’t with you Peterians!

Then you are not adhering to Scripture.

 

[Wrangler]

Idiotic statements like this is why I have you on ignore.

Ad Homenim.

Sad to be talking out of both sides of your mouth. The Church is built on Peter but the church is not built on Peter?

And evidently, you don't have me on ignore.

If Catholicism is so wrong, why why is Protestantism losing its best ministers and scholars to the Catholic Church?

Implied premise rejected.