The title of this thread is "Trump is Dangerous - a Messianic Complex". As far a I know anyone is invited to join the conversation. I happen to agree with the OP's warning, and have reasons for that. I'm not telling people how to live their lives, but to examine and guard their hearts against making an idol out of and having their trust in politics or any politician. Because by grace, like the OP and a few others I'm seeing a snare shaping up with this particular situation. Have a blessed day sister.So where are you and what are you doing?
I mean, iron sharpens iron yes?
Your here in a political thread standing in judgement over others because you don't think they should vote, and don't approve of who they are voting for...
Doesn't that sound silly to your ears to do? I mean, normal people don't do that, just saying.
Do you go to your neighbors house and start telling them how to live the way you do to those in this thread?
There's a thread that's actually quite beautiful if people let it, in which monergists and synergists are invited to share how their beliefs about predestination or freewill impact their day to day lives as a Christian:
Here are my contributions in that thread:
What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?
It's the difference between making sure you reach the door, so that you have the opportunity to go through it, compared to just setting you down on the other side, nothing to do with you. Much love! So, are there people who are predestined, making sure they reach their door, so that they have...www.christianityboard.com
What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?
The problem is. If your not born again, adopted as his child.. Non of the above matters. You can obey all you want. you will never find rest. If I obey God, why would he torture me forever?
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Grailhunter
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If you do not turn your brain on I am going to stop talking to you. So far the joke is on you. Christ only has a Hebrew name.....Christ's mother did not give Him a Greek name. Christ does not have a Greek name in the New Testament. The word that refers to Christ in the New Testament is Iesous but that is exactly what it is....a word... not a name. As it is most understand that Christ's name was a common name but history shows no one with Iesous as a name. And if it did it would probably be a nick name for a Greek doctor because Iesous means healer.
Beyond that you are thinking that it took Christianity 1600 years to figure out his name because the word Jesus does not appear until the mid 1600's out of thin air, not any translation.
Well, it's just amazing then that God does miracles and answers prayers prayed by His children in the name of Jesus in any language. Maybe it's because He knows a whole bunch of languages, as per the book of Acts.
Grailhunter
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How many more miracles would occur if people knew and use Christ's real name?Well, it's just amazing then that God does miracles and answers prayers prayed by His children in the name of Jesus in any language. Maybe it's because He knows a whole bunch of languages, as per the book of Acts.
Can you do a study of Christianity without being a historian?
Can you understand why there is not a focus on the family in the New Testament?
Can you understand why Christ and the Apostles did not put an end to polygamy, concubinage, and slavery in their time without being a historian?
Can you understand why it was not until the 17th century that a wedding ceremony was required to be married and where the ceremony came from? The Protestants made that requirement and most Protestants do not know their own history.
2000 years from the close of the biblical era and time pasted and Christian history was playing out….different time periods and different countries and cultures and each and every one having its own perspective on Christianity. And all those perspectives causing things to happen independently in their own area. Do you have to be a historian to know this?
Interpretations of the scriptures varied widely through all of this. Until finally it came to a head in atrocities, conflicts, and wars. The Protestant reform was not a peaceful event and in the end the only thing they were sure of was that the Catholic Church was wrong. But the Protestants could not agree on what was right so that is how we have ended up with thousands of Protestant denominations. And Christ’s name was riding the wave of all this. But no one at this point had ever heard the word Jesus.
Something as simple as Christ name….who knew it? Did his mother know it? Did the Apostles know it? Why did they not write it in the New Testament? At the time of the Latin shift did they know it? The Pope’s headquarters moved around…different languages….Italy and France….the languages Italian and French. Did they know Christ’s name?
When did English become the common language? Old English came about around 650 AD and then Middle English around 1100 AD. The letter J came out around 1400 AD not popular at first and it was probably William Shakespeare that was instrumental in making it a fanciful letter and popular. The first revision of the King James Version of the Bible used the Greek word for healer Iesous for Christ’s name… as did the Tyndale Bible and the Geneva Bible. Eventually they chose to use the word Jesus…. Why? As it was the word Jesus had no origin or defined meaning in English. The word Jesus did not come from any scholarly source….was it the popularity of the letter J? We do know that the J was so popular that they went back through the Old and New Testament and changed all the names with Y’s to J’s…. Yob… Yacob….Yoshua…Yoseph…Yericho......Yohn....Yames etc….even Jerusalem is pronounced with a Y. Was it really the popularity of the letter J….it is hard to say….but none of the changes or the word Jesus had anything to do with scholarship or accuracy.
There was a time when some scholars thought that Christ’s real name was lost. If you are a scholar and historian you can answer some of these questions. Why didn’t the Apostles and early Christian writers use Christ’s real name? How did they know not to use it? How did they agree on that? The real name for Christ by no surprise was-is Hebrew, but there were no issues with people knowing or saying His name in early Christianity because bilingual knowledge of places and people’s names was common. It had to be for travel, trade, and religion. It was just as easy to say Yeshua back then as it is today.
Today there is a lot of people that know that God the Father’s name is Yahweh and God the Son’s name is Yeshua….is popularity the reason that people still cling to the word Jesus? It is definitely not scholarship and it is a relatively new word.
Does it matter? As a theologian and a historian it probably matters to me more than others because of my insistence on accuracy. Biblically does it matter? The scripture say that only one name can be called upon for salvation, no ifs ands or buts, and Jesus is not it. Does it matter to Christ? You will find out on Judgment Day. But still who knows the mercy of Yeshua….Judgment Day will probably be a surprise for a lot of people. But why risk it when you know His real name? Do you think Christ would appreciate it that you cared enough to use his real name?
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Meh, you ain't got nuthin better to do but sit around and blah blah about hebrew
My brain is on and tuned to God's Word, which does NOT say gentiles are required to learn hebrew or you call Jesus or the Father by hebrew names or titles. You have NO proof do ya homie?
You hebrew roots people think you score extra points with the Lord for throwing a little hebrew around but you don't. You aren't any more special to the Lord than those that talk to the Lord in their own languages. Homie!
I don't worship Jesus' momma so there's that.
You still have not posted any scripture verses from the New Testament where the Lord says "if people do not callesth Me by My hebrew Name, I will jejecteth them sendeth them to hell!"
So let's see your proof homie! Where's the beef???
Grailhunter
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Do you know that Christ was Jewish and His name was Hebrew and that is the only name that can be called on for salvation. There is no other name Hebrew, Greek, or Latin that can be called upon. The only name and Christ has only one name.
And yet people all around the world have been getting saved in His name in their language for two thousand years now.
"Healer" is very appropriate...that is what Jesus is. He heals our incurable wound.
This is called "strives of words".....not what we are supposed to be doing.
Pretty sure Christ in any language is far above such cares, as we should be.
Eternally Grateful
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But also remember, God did not force them to do what they did. They did what they wanted to do.. He chose them based on the fact he knew how they would react.
But yes, i agree
I think it's not a coincidence that Hebrew roots has shown up on this thread about Trump. Jews in Israel believe he is their Cyrus and is going to make the way for the building of their Temple. And the Lord was faithful to warn me that this Temple is going to be associated with a strong cult-like allure and deception, otherwise I would be vulnerable to it. Hebrew roots is luring believers to that very delusion, as is placing trust and hopes in DT. Common denominator with both these things is that they are both idols in the hearts of many believers. In Is. 66 God charged Israel, saying "you have chosen your own ways", and so He will "choose their delusions" in context of making sacrifices when this was clearly not pleasing to Him. And we have to know that after the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, choosing to sacrifice animals and offer their blood instead of His will not be pleasing to God....on the contrary He will see it as filthy abomination.
Trusting in the arm of flesh and man instead of trusting in God was Israel's mistake.... these things were written and recorded for our admonition....it's likewise always a temptation for the church. That is what the imagery of the harlot riding the beast in Revelation is essentially depicting. But in the end after the beast is done using her, what are we told happens then?
The church needs to take grave warning from Isaiah 66, and Israel should too, if only they would.
Wrangler
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Says you!
For some reason, you are a defeatest obstructionist, utterly opposed to lift a finger to make this world a better place. It's shocking to me that anyone who is a Christ follower literally devotes themselves to OPPOSE others efforts to make the world a better place. Whereas until the 20th century, Christians advanced the cause of education more in the last 2,000 years than any other institution, leading to all the benefits of the industrial revolution, you would oppose such action on a misguided principle akin to the Mullahs of Iran. What a regressive ideology you have!
No one consider Cyrus or President Donald J Trump a god. Yet, they are both Messiahs in Hebrew, meaning Christ in Greek, meaning Anointed in plain English. That's right! Jesus is not the only person to be Anointed by God.
Another person Anointed by God are modern day prophets. I showed you the prophecy of Steve Cioccolanti of Trump's Unfinished Business. Again, no one considers the prophet an idol (in the Biblical sense). I will support people actually doing God's work no matter what you say.
Eternally Grateful
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Iesus is the greek interpretation of Jesus name,
Sadly, like a few other words. Instead of translating it to his actual english equivillent, They translated the greek name from Iesus to Jesus.
I believe his Hebrew name was Yeshua or Joshua
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Hazelelponi
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Well that's fine you agree with the OP but your not actually here debating points either.
Your really just bashing people over the head in judgement of who they are as people, like you somehow know their motives, and not just know what their motivations are, but your also saying know those motivations are evil.
People have defended their motives yet you continue to claim to know hearts full of evil intents and go back to head bashing.
Even if I disagree with my neighbor I don't hound them to death and sit in judgement of things just because I can't understand them.
Don't you trust in Christ?
It is He who searches the hearts of man yes?
Nothing at all wrong with discussion in order to understand the other side better, and if you still disagree in the end with the viewpoints of the other then cool, at least you got to know more of your neighbor. Never a bad thing, that.
But the above isn't what anyone is seeing from you. Just throwing that out there.
amigo de christo
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Just watch sister . Trump will , through the religous tolerance idea bring forth THAT KIND of UNITY .
As HE himself said not very long ago .
That This is how we will attain UNITY . HE was talking about the religous tolerance act WHEN HE SAID IT .
and yet most folks have no idea what this is all about .
Well , Go to and behold both the religous tolerance act and THE ABRAHAM Accords . THIS IS THAT UNITY
which cometh NOT OF GOD .
And all they can see is , OH WE WILL BE PROTECTED . Yet i watched what HE said
HE said THIS IS HOW WE SHALL ALL ATTAIN UNITY . This is not looking good sister .
I believe what we are witnessing is A DELUSION and this delusion preached BY BOTH SIDES
IS THE UNIFYING FORCE of anti christ that has come to decieve all the tribes , tongues , religoins and peoples
to attain to UNITY under what they all believe is OF GOD and IS LOVE and all for peace and safety , OR SO they think .
SEE , its not politics that is gonna unify
THOUGH politiciains are being used IN PART to help usher in that which DOES and shall unify the world .
TRUMP nor BIDEN will unify the peoples , BUT what they do , THIS ACT
this so called mindset , WILL UNIFY ALL THE PEOPLE .
You wont see them sitting together under politics per say , BUT UNDER THIS Which is of anti christ .
IT seemth this religoin of love , of tolerance , that preaches on unity and common ground
and bridge building , IS WHAT IS UNIFYING them all now . As even imams and others are joining hand in hand
under this very agenda . SIE ABRAHAM PEACE ACCORDS , THIS ALL INCLUSIVE mindset of a false love .
Its not looking good sister . and the devil knows how to use men from every religoin
even christendom , even rep or dem , TO GET The agenda driven IN .
amigo de christo
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no one is Bashing anyone . did you know that term itself is also a means to simply silence the voices
of those ye cannot overcome . Oh yes . Now bring some bible doctrine to her show her her error .
DONT bring victim card strategies to try and shame folks into silence because YOU cant prove her doctrine wrong .
LET GOD , LET DOCTRINE BE THE JUDGE . not emotions and victim card strategies .
amigo de christo
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Well here is the problem . Yes when i witness to others or etc i tell them once or twice then leave them to themselves
if they reject truth .
BUT the problem here is , we dont even behave as any church should .
I mean everyone allows false doctrines to be taught and all in the name of so called love and tolerance
we wont shut down the false doctrine , nor the person teaching it . we just allow and allow
everyone and everything to spout anything no matter how deadly dangerous and upmost blasphemous that docrine is
Hazelelponi
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Wait... I need to leave for at least the day too because I have a lot of my plate this week but what is wrong with the Abraham accords again?
Fostering peace has always remained the goal.... Even we are told in Scriptures as much as is possible seek to live peaceably with all men. Romans 12:18
So where is the evil in finding common grounds so that we aren't having WW3 in the middle east?
Are you for generational war?
Hazelelponi
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I'm sorry for laughing but that was a little funny. You went and got all emotional while telling me I was letting my emotions get the better of me...
Perhaps you need a small internet break yourself?
Everyone does time to time...
He is chosen and he has unfinished business...yes i agree, only it's not what you and Steve Cioccolanti think.
What made America "great" in the first place was the gospel and righteousness. And that's the only way it can be made great again, if it will at all. Why are all these preachers and prophets spending so much time preaching politics instead of preaching righteousness and following Jesus? What happened to the gospel? It's such a rare commodity these days.
I'm sure Cioccolanti is a nice young fellow but wow, those are not political books in the bible, yikes, oh my goodness...that is such a serious error and so misguided! If you are sitting under teachings like that it's no wonder things are as they are, dear Lord have mercy. The bible cover to cover is a spiritual book and we are even instructed to compare spiritual with spiritual. And when Jesus comes back there will be no utopia here with believers taking over politics....this world gets judged and goes up in flames, sorry...read 2 Peter 3. Once again people are being tripped up by believing in a future millennial earthly type of reign. Didn't Jesus say His kingdom comes not with careful observation but is within/among us? Yes, it's here now within us. And Jesus way back said also to the Jews that if the sick are being healed and demons being cast out etc, then the kingdom has come to you...then and now. His kingdom, His reign, is by faith not by sight. We are more than conquerors and we're ruling & reigning with Him now by carrying on His same ministry. I'm sorry to burst bubbles, but our hopes are not to be in this world at all. As it was in the days of Noah....whose time was well-spent in preaching righteousness and building that ark.....our job is just to rescue souls out of this world before it gets judged, just as we are supposed to no longer be of this world.
And watch out for false christs/messiahs......Jesus said also that His return would not be a matter of lo here or lo there he is, either.
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