The meaning of 666 and its identity

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Today in the Catholic Church .........................................


The Papacy also regularly make claims to take the place of God on Earth, which is clearly according to the Word of God blasphemous.....................

What about this mysterious number 666

So 666 is the number of a mans name and Revelation says that this man is the head of this antichrist beast power. Since the beast power is the Papal Church,......................................

Question:What are the letters supposed to be in the Pope’s crown, and what do they signify if anything?”....................................
Answer:The letters inscribed in the Pope's.................................
Hobie, by limiting Revelation 17 to Rome and the pope's ~ you and your SDA friends give a "free pass" to all other false cults who are basically doing the same thing as the whore in Rome are doing.

This is a great error with the SDA community along with others who do the same as Rome. Wicked men like Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Jimmy Swaggart's SBN, and Kenneth Copeland's empire; and many others, get a "free pass" as though they are not part of the spirit of antichrist which is prophesied that should come in the latter days of the last days, yet they are just as guilty.
 
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This is a great error with the SDA community along with others who do the same as Rome. Wicked men like Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Jimmy Swaggart's SBN, and Kenneth Copeland's empire; and many others, get a "free pass" as though they are not part of the spirit of antichrist which is prophesied that should come in the latter days of the last days, yet they are just as guilty.
You are condemning these professed Christian pastors? "Judge not, lest you be judged". There is no perfect Pastor/Priest. Pick any one, andntou will find flaws. Even in mine, who is wonderfully anointed and gifted than most - has flaws. They are just human and flawed like the rest of us, who on occasion get tempted, backslide or just say no to loving someone in need and choose the selfish path.
So, some may be weak and fall into their old ways and others have matured beyond that and walk in the Spirit.
We are all on this journey, this race. Each of us go through different trials and tribulations prepared by the LORD. Some of us are more yielding and obedient and get with the program quicker than others. Some take a lifetime.
The Churches had these same problems in the 1st Century - ( see Rev. 2-3). Only two of those churches out of seven did not receive a rebuke and warning to repent. One had good doctrine but lacked love, another was nearly dead, another lukewarm, another had false doctrines, another had a prophetess who sexually seduced men in the congregation.
Those Seven churches were church-types that existed throughout the Church Age. We can find all of those problems in even one church.
Spiritually, the Body of Church has been purified - but we still wrestle with our flesh.
God has infinite ways of spreading the gospel
. Each and every person has received it accompanied by different circumstances, paths, at various ages in ther lives ... some don't get saved until just before death - like my parents. I chipped away at their philosophies for 30 years. My Mom glorified herself most of her life, believed in reincarnation, Astology, alien visitors, the Universal Energy Force. Wow, a lot of garbage I had to dismantle! Yet she, as an young child, was brought up by Nuns in an orphanage from the age of 9-14. She learned about the Bible and God but then went off on her own rebellious path. Her Dad died of TB and her Mom had it which was why she and her siblings were taken care of by the Catholic Church. However, throughout her life she lived by Christian principles that she learned (as long as they did not interfere with her own prideful ways. They stuck with her; and even though she was a rebel, she was loving to her kids and everyone. Days before her death, she was singing about Jesus. "Jesus loves me ... He has always been there ... He has His hand on my shoulder..." We were all shocked. Never before had she ever spoke or acted this way. She came full circle and made her peace with God - finally. Frankly I was losing hope. But my prayers were answered. My father was a professed atheist all his life till a couple years before he passed - when his wife caught him on his knees praying. "What ... my Dad ... doing what"? I was shocked but thankful. He was more angry at God for taking his father's life at the age of 10. His Dad was dying and he too (being brought up in a Catholic Italian family) along with seven older sisters, got on his knees and prayed for his Dad's life. God said no, so this young boy got angry, sad and lost his faith. But the Christian principles stuck with him too - all his life. "Do unto others ..." ... "it is better to give than receive" ... He was a real gentleman, never said a bad word about anyone - I never took after him in that way.
We will all be surprised at how many people are in heaven when we get there - God has not forsaken any of His sheep. Now I do believe there are some tares in the fold, these are more than obvious wicked people without fruit. That is the ticket, look at their fruit: love, joy, peace, kindness, gentleness, goodness, self control, hope, faith.
 

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Scripture is clear...
Romans 3:23
For ALL have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
REALY??

Did Jesus sin? He’s part of “ALL”. Babies don’t possess all of their faculties or ability to reason. Do they sin? What about the severely mentally retarded?
Sin requires knowledge and consent of the will.

”ALL” is a generalization, much like Matt. 2:3, where it says:

When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and ALL Jerusalem with him.

Was EVERYONE disturbed? The babies, the sick, those in a coma, the mentally ill?

Rom. 3:23
is a reference to Psalm 14, which is talking about “the fool”.
It goes on to say ALL have turned away, ALL have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good, not even one.”

Then 2 verses later, it says that God keeps company with the “Righteous”.

You need to understand the inclusive language sometimes used in Scripture.
 

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Maybe you should go back and read the new testament. Jesus was in open rebellion with all systems of control.

Perhaps you can enlighten everyone according to Jesus’ own word.

… however it's people like you that comply with government

Rather than tell me (whom you do not know) what I do…Why avoid telling everyone about your own techniques to avoid compliance with government.

and the forces of evil and ultimately affect everyone else's freedom due to your own ignorance and belief system.

Why avoid enlightening those you have flat out said are ignorant ?

I don't like the word belief. Belief is what's wrong with the world.

Interesting….You claim to be a Christian while your own knowledge tells you Belief is the world’s problem.

:rolleyes:
 

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Now concerning the mark of the forehead. As for the forehead, it is where the mind is, and is illustrative of man's thinking. By giving us spiritual images of believers with the name of God written in their foreheads, it is revealed their minds are sealed in Christ Jesus so that their thoughts become one with his. Believers all have one mind as they are all sealed or secured of the Spirit in Christ.

Again:

Believer's having the name of God written in their foreheads are illustrative of a people who are of one Spirit where God is guiding them in their will and in their thinking. It is the fulfilling of Old Covenant prophecy.

No one would look at Hebrews 10:16 and even begin to think that God means that He's literally written Scripture on someone's heart, or that He has literally carved laws on our foreheads or in our minds. Because of the Spirit we readily understand its imagery or a spiritual metaphor illustrating our spiritual nature. And yet, some theologians will take the verse in Revelation chapter 13, which is an even more obviously symbolic and spiritual book, and try and force the name or number of the non-literal beast, to be literally something marked in one's forehead. And ironically, usually, all while looking at the beast, it's horns, and it's rising from the earth and sea, as symbolic. There is no scriptural justification for this type of interpreting. Not in the context, content, or character of the chapter can we "read into" Scripture such ideas. The mark is no more talking about a literal mark, than Hebrews 10:16 is talking about literal marks of Scripture written upon our hearts or passages scribbled in our minds. It is mere symbolism that we are sealed with God's Spirit in our minds (2 Corinthians 1:22, Ephesians 4:30, Revelation 7:3), that we have an earnest desire to obey God's laws and do His will by our hand. It is by the Spirit ingrained upon our hearts and minds that we will and do.


All true believers have the spirit of a sound mind, the one mind in Christ Jesus. The name of Christ is the word of God, and that is what is spiritually sealed within our minds that we would obey and work and do.

By the same token, those who are deceived by the spirit of Satan also have the same mind and purpose in life. But instead of the mind of lawfulness, they have the mind of lawlessness once they have given themselves over to a false system of worshipping. Their desire is not to do the will of God, but to be disobedient and do the will of their father, the Devil. Even though the very ones given over to this spirit of antichrist are so blinded they truly think they are serving God, Jesus Christ, and following the scriptures! A STRONG DELUSION has been given to them by God by LEAVING THEM TO THEIR OWN SINFUL LUST just as God did to Pharaoh of old.

Jesus told the Scribes and Pharisees that their mind was defiled because they were of their father, the Devil. Why? Because the mind of the people of Israel was given over to that prince or ruler, Satan. Spiritually speaking, he had become their king and held them in bondage (John 8:36). In this same fashion, when the church falls into the apostasy illustrated in Revelation chapter 13, these also will be brought into bondage by Satan. And as the true believers are sealed in their foreheads to signify they are all of one mind in the Spirit of Christ, so these will be spiritually marked in their forehead signifying that they are all of one mind in the spirit of antichrist. Indeed, as it is written:

One mind, one spiritual father, one character of the beast. Collectively, we have either the mind of Christ, or the mind of Satan. And those who fall away are spiritually defiled. The same type of illustration as found in Titus, where it speaks about the mind of the unrighteous being defiled.


This is what the mark on the forehead symbolized. That their mind is defiled and they are all of one spirit to give their hand in work for the beast's kingdom. So again, the mark of the Beast in man's hand and forehead is not a carnal or fleshly mark, rather it is the mark of the flesh, or of carnality. For the carnal mind is illustrated in the will of the flesh. The mind being marked signifies carnal thinking, and the hand signifies the will of the flesh in agreement on the same gospel. The mark is a token of the nature of disobedience and signifies that one does not have the Spirit of God, but is sold out to the flesh. And one who has the mark of the beast in his head, has the sign of death upon him.

How can we answer the question, "What is the mark of the beast?" We answer that it is the carnal mind, the mind spiritually marked of the beast that has deceived them that they take on his character and do his will. Their hand is to serve in his kingdom to the same gospel, rather than in Christ's. And in this same cryptic fashion, Revelation 17:5 talks about the Harlot with a name written on her forehead saying "Mystery Babylon, the Great, the Mother of harlots, and abominations of the earth." Is this a literal woman with literal writing in her forehead? Again, not at all. It is symbolic language signifying a fallen spiritual city that outside looks rich and true, but inside is abominations and filth. To look for a literal woman with a name literally marked in her forehead would be foolishness. Yet this type of unsound hermeneutic is routinely practiced by many theologians in Revelation. But in these cryptic images we see battle against the one true God, and the images of the god of this world. One Kingdom of the Lamb, with the man of law serving God, and the other is the kingdom of the beast, with the man of lawlessness (sin) serving Satan. Images of the Christ, and of the false Christ.
A symbolic spiritual mark has been one interpretation to the mystery of Rev. 13:16 - until you get to the next verse: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
God's seal is fine, that is invisible; but the mark of the Beast is likely visible or as many think an embedded chip.
 

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I would disagree.

A person is FREE to BELIEVE as he chooses and announce his belief or not…
About Anything.

Regarding a person, there is and will forever be an authority figure, office, etc. higher in status, higher in power.
It is an individuals choice and standing to “manage” in a way most beneficial to him, and can do so, by arranging his own affairs with the least subjection to a higher power.
Some do so with Integrity.
Some do so with short-sightedness.
Some do so via underhandedness.

Every persons BODY, shall DIE. No exceptions, God requires that all persons SHALL Die.

Scripture teaches: Submission…
To God, to parents, to appointed authorities….that does not translate to mean, AGREE with, argue with, or change ones Belief.

In short, it’s managing whose sandbox one is willing to play in or reject.

Glory to God,
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Nothing you said in your past post addressed any of the issues I pointed out. I made clear points about the new testament, control systems and the nature of belief yet you avoid all these questions by criticizing who I am and where I stand as a Christian.

In psychology, this is your stock standard "avoidance" technique. Your throwing off.
 

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Nothing you said in your past post addressed any of the issues I pointed out. I made clear points about the new testament, control systems and the nature of belief yet you avoid all these questions by criticizing who I am and where I stand as a Christian.

In psychology, this is your stock standard "avoidance" technique. Your throwing off.

I don’t know you, nor do you know me. And attempting a conversation with you and your unfounded accusations is not a rewarding use of my time.
 

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Look and see who it is...
'Revelation 13:5 says this first beast would also blaspheme God. Luke 5:21 reads, “And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

Today in the Catholic Church they allege that every Priest has power to forgive sins. Catholic Quote: “To pardon a single sin requires all the omnipotence of God... The Jews justly said: ‘Who can forgive sins but God alone?’ But what only GOD can do by His omnipotence, the PRIEST can ALSO do by saying ‘Ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis’ [I absolve you from your sin].” — Alphonsus de Liguori, Dignity and Duties of the Priest, pages 34-35.
What part of " But what only GOD can do by His omnipotence" don't you understand???
No man on Earth can forgive sins.
John 20:21 – before He grants them the authority to forgive sins, Jesus says to the apostles, “as the Father sent me, so I send you.” As Christ was sent by the Father to forgive sins, so Christ sends the apostles and their successors forgive sins.

John 20:22 – the Lord “breathes” on the apostles, and then gives them the power to forgive and retain sins. The only other moment in Scripture where God breathes on man is in Gen. 2:7, when the Lord “breathes” divine life into man. When this happens, a significant transformation takes place.

John 20:23 – Jesus says, “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven. If you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” In order for the apostles to exercise this gift of forgiving sins, the penitents must orally confess their sins to them because the apostles are not mind readers. The text makes this very clear.

Matt. 9:8 – this verse shows that God has given the authority to forgive sins to “men.” Hence, those Protestants who acknowledge that the apostles had the authority to forgive sins (which this verse demonstrates) must prove that this gift ended with the apostles. Otherwise, the apostles’ successors still possess this gift. Where in Scripture is the gift of authority to forgive sins taken away from the apostles or their successors?
No man on Earth can forgive sins, and we agree, without God's authority. Your cult teaches priests forgive sins on their own authority.
As for power, Elizabeth I defied the Pope and he sent word to all Catholics in England not to obey the Queen. Henry of Germany offended the Pope and he had to stand barefoot in the snow for three days to pay penance to the Pope before he would forgive him.
Another unproven SDA invention.
The Papacy also regularly make claims to take the place of God on Earth, which is clearly according to the Word of God blasphemous. John 10:33 says, “The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, makest thyself God.” As stated previously, the beast makes many blasphemous claims and this is another Biblical definition for blasphemy and criteria for identifying the beast enforcing the mark.

Remember that the apostle John demonstrated that antichrist came from the early Church and he also demonstrated that antichrist was in place of God. Does the Pope put himself in place of Christ, and hence match the definition of antichrist?

We hold upon this earth the place of God almighty.” — Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter, June 20, 1894.

The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh.” — Catholic National, July 1895.

The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” — Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous.”....
But if the above citation is accurate, this would, of course, not be an equation of the pope with Jesus (which is absurd and blasphemous and which has never been taught by the Catholic Church), but a reference to the notion of alter Christus or little Christ — which means that the pope acts as a representative of Christ in his priestly function (as all priests do). The pope is also referred to as Peter sometimes; again, not literally, but in the sense of “successor.”

Each priest at Mass is re-creating the scene at the Last Supper, of Jesus offering the first Holy Communion and saying, this is My body. But in no sense is that any sort of equality with Christ.

1) The symbolic equation of Christ and His disciples (even all of mankind) is a most biblical concept:

John 13:20 (NRSV) . . . whoever receives one whom I send receives me; and whoever receives me receives him who sent me. (cf. Lk 9:48, Mk 9:37, Mt 18:5)
Matthew 25:35, 40 for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink [etc.] . . . just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.

2) Also, the disciples speak and act in Jesus’ name (the very name Christian implies that): Mk 10:39, 41; Lk 10:17-20; Jn 14:13-14; 16:23-24; Acts 4:10, 18; 5:28, 40-41; 9:15; 1 Cor 1:10; 2 Thess 3:6; many more).

3) Furthermore, the disciples were given the power to bind and loose in Jesus’ name (impose penance and offer absolution of sins, from God): Mt 16:19; 18:18; Jn 20:23. This is the priestly function.

4) In Scripture there is often taught a mystical (but almost literal) identification of the Body of Christ (the Church: 1 Cor 12:27; Eph 1:22-23; 5:30; Col 1:24) with Christ Himself. Jesus equated Paul’s persecution of the Church with persecution of Him (Acts 9:5; cf. 8:1, 3; 9:1-2). This is incarnational theology, and poorly understood by Hobie.


2 Corinthians 4:10 (RSV) Always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. (cf. 2 Cor 1:5-7)
Philippians 3:10 That I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death. (cf. Gal 2:20)
Colossians 1:24 . . . in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church. (cf. 2 Cor 11:23-30; Gal 6:17)
5) The prophets spoke in God’s name, in the first person (read the prophetic books of the OT for numberless examples). This might appear to an outsider as an equation with God, but as we all know, they were merely speaking for God.

6) The same would hold for the NT writers in certain instances. If men can write God’s own “God-breathed” words, then certainly they can speak for God, not as directly (in the case of the pope), but as His representative. The President’s press secretary is not the President, but he speaks for him. Papal legates speak for popes. Ambassadors speak for the countries they represent. Again, context is crucial, that the SDA plays games with.


So 666 is the number of a mans name and Revelation says that this man is the head of this antichrist beast power. Since the beast power is the Papal Church, blah, blah, blah...

Question:What are the letters supposed to be in the Pope’s crown, and what do they signify if anything?
Answer:The letters inscribed in the Pope's mitre are these: Vicarius Filii Dei, blah, blah, blah...
Vicarius Filii Dei was never a title for the Pope, it's another SDA invention. Also "vicar" means ambassador or representative. Anglicans call all their bishops "vicar" but you don't attack them... no, wait..., the SDA attacks all of Protestantism.

Even given the identification of the Antichrist with the beast, the pope is the last person who would fit the biblical requirements for being the individual Antichrist (or any Antichrist). The epistles of John clearly indicate that the Antichrist is one who denies that Christ has come in the flesh. However, the basis for the pope’s position in the Church is that Christ has come in the flesh and has ascended to heaven, leaving the successor of Peter as his vicar or representative on earth.

For the pope to deny that Christ has come in the flesh would be to undercut the basis of his position. Since no pope historically has made such claims, it is easily verifiable that no pope in history has been an Antichrist. Neither will any future pope be inclined to deny the basis of his position. The anti-papal argument simply is not credible.

Further, in Scripture the beast is clearly a political leader, not a Church leader. In fact, the beast is literally identified with one of the early Roman emperors, who had no part of the Church.

As for you other quotes, they are taken out of context, if not fabrications altogether. That's why you post snippets that can't be verified on line. A typical dishonest SDA tactic.

 

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A Crack in the Door​

Now that Protestantism has been in a state of separation from the Church for several centuries, psychological pressures have eased, and many Protestants today recognize the absurdity of the papal Antichrist theory and reject those portions of their confessional writings that endorse it.

This praiseworthy recognition provides the Catholic apologist with an opportunity to invite individuals to fundamentally reconsider the Protestant Reformation. If Protestants are prepared to admit that the pope is not the Antichrist and that the Catholic Church is not the Whore of Babylon, then the questions may be posed: “Then what are they? How can they be otherwise explained?”

Most Christians are and always have been members of the Catholic Church. The pope and the Catholic Church are too central to historic Christianity to be dismissed as simply an accident. They must have some part in God’s plan. But if they are not the Antichrist and the Whore of Babylon, then the logical alternative is to recognize them as the Vicar of Christ and the Bride of Christ—the very realization that drove the early Reformers to the papal Antichrist theory.
 

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I don’t know you, nor do you know me. And attempting a conversation with you and your unfounded accusations is not a rewarding use of my time.
So you will ignore me? Well atleased we have justified my accusation of ignorance.

May God lead in the right direction. Blessings to you.
 

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Rev 13:18 HereG5602 isG2076 wisdom.G4678 Let him that hathG2192 understandingG3563 countG5585 theG3588 numberG706 of theG3588 beast:G2342 forG1063 it isG2076 the numberG706 of a man;G444 andG2532 hisG848 numberG706 is Six hundred threescore and six.G5516


Strong G5585
ψηφίζω
psēphizō
psay-fid'-zo
From G5586; to use pebbles in enumeration, that is, (genitive case) to compute: - count.
Total KJV occurrences: 2
This is a good point to emphasize. John told his first-century audience to "calculate" or "compute" the number of the Sea Beast. This involved a kind of mathematical computation they were to do with this six-hundred and sixty-six amount.

Luther once wrote that this 666 number applied to a total number of 666 YEARS - a point I agree with (although I disagree with the way Luther applied that number of years).

The Sea Beast, as of the time John was writing Revelation13:2, had been in existence for 666 YEARS until that time. If the believers of John's days when they were reading Revelation had counted backward in time those 666 YEARS, they would have discovered the orgin of the Sea Beast's identity.

That Sea Beast was described in Rev. 13:2 as having characteristics of a lion, a bear, and a leopard - which was Daniel's first three Beast empires of Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece respectively. That means the Sea Beast began its existence with the oldest Babylonian empire time period. Counting backward 666 years from the year when John was writing Revelation, we arrive at 607 BC and the first deportation from Jerusalem of Israel's nobility, which included Daniel and his 3 friends. Nebuchadnezzar was the man who originally headed up this Babylonian empire, which was the beginning of the Sea Beast's existence.

The total conglomerate history of the Sea Beast in John's days involved all the pagan empires who had held control of the nation of Israel over the centuries (Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and finally Roman).
 

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This is a good point to emphasize. John told his first-century audience to "calculate" or "compute" the number of the Sea Beast. This involved a kind of mathematical computation they were to do with this six-hundred and sixty-six amount.

Luther once wrote that this 666 number applied to a total number of 666 YEARS - a point I agree with (although I disagree with the way Luther applied that number of years).

The Sea Beast, as of the time John was writing Revelation13:2, had been in existence for 666 YEARS until that time. If the believers of John's days when they were reading Revelation had counted backward in time those 666 YEARS, they would have discovered the orgin of the Sea Beast's identity.

That Sea Beast was described in Rev. 13:2 as having characteristics of a lion, a bear, and a leopard - which was Daniel's first three Beast empires of Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece respectively. That means the Sea Beast began its existence with the oldest Babylonian empire time period. Counting backward 666 years from the year when John was writing Revelation, we arrive at 607 BC and the first deportation from Jerusalem of Israel's nobility, which included Daniel and his 3 friends. Nebuchadnezzar was the man who originally headed up this Babylonian empire, which was the beginning of the Sea Beast's existence.

The total conglomerate history of the Sea Beast in John's days involved all the pagan empires who had held control of the nation of Israel over the centuries (Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and finally Roman).

Interesting.
 

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Now concerning the mark of the forehead. As for the forehead, it is where the mind is, and is illustrative of man's thinking. By giving us spiritual images of believers with the name of God written in their foreheads, it is revealed their minds are sealed in Christ Jesus so that their thoughts become one with his. Believers all have one mind as they are all sealed or secured of the Spirit in Christ.

Again:

Believer's having the name of God written in their foreheads are illustrative of a people who are of one Spirit where God is guiding them in their will and in their thinking. It is the fulfilling of Old Covenant prophecy.

No one would look at Hebrews 10:16 and even begin to think that God means that He's literally written Scripture on someone's heart, or that He has literally carved laws on our foreheads or in our minds. Because of the Spirit we readily understand its imagery or a spiritual metaphor illustrating our spiritual nature. And yet, some theologians will take the verse in Revelation chapter 13, which is an even more obviously symbolic and spiritual book, and try and force the name or number of the non-literal beast, to be literally something marked in one's forehead. And ironically, usually, all while looking at the beast, it's horns, and it's rising from the earth and sea, as symbolic. There is no scriptural justification for this type of interpreting. Not in the context, content, or character of the chapter can we "read into" Scripture such ideas. The mark is no more talking about a literal mark, than Hebrews 10:16 is talking about literal marks of Scripture written upon our hearts or passages scribbled in our minds. It is mere symbolism that we are sealed with God's Spirit in our minds (2 Corinthians 1:22, Ephesians 4:30, Revelation 7:3), that we have an earnest desire to obey God's laws and do His will by our hand. It is by the Spirit ingrained upon our hearts and minds that we will and do.


All true believers have the spirit of a sound mind, the one mind in Christ Jesus. The name of Christ is the word of God, and that is what is spiritually sealed within our minds that we would obey and work and do.

By the same token, those who are deceived by the spirit of Satan also have the same mind and purpose in life. But instead of the mind of lawfulness, they have the mind of lawlessness once they have given themselves over to a false system of worshipping. Their desire is not to do the will of God, but to be disobedient and do the will of their father, the Devil. Even though the very ones given over to this spirit of antichrist are so blinded they truly think they are serving God, Jesus Christ, and following the scriptures! A STRONG DELUSION has been given to them by God by LEAVING THEM TO THEIR OWN SINFUL LUST just as God did to Pharaoh of old.

Jesus told the Scribes and Pharisees that their mind was defiled because they were of their father, the Devil. Why? Because the mind of the people of Israel was given over to that prince or ruler, Satan. Spiritually speaking, he had become their king and held them in bondage (John 8:36). In this same fashion, when the church falls into the apostasy illustrated in Revelation chapter 13, these also will be brought into bondage by Satan. And as the true believers are sealed in their foreheads to signify they are all of one mind in the Spirit of Christ, so these will be spiritually marked in their forehead signifying that they are all of one mind in the spirit of antichrist. Indeed, as it is written:

One mind, one spiritual father, one character of the beast. Collectively, we have either the mind of Christ, or the mind of Satan. And those who fall away are spiritually defiled. The same type of illustration as found in Titus, where it speaks about the mind of the unrighteous being defiled.


This is what the mark on the forehead symbolized. That their mind is defiled and they are all of one spirit to give their hand in work for the beast's kingdom. So again, the mark of the Beast in man's hand and forehead is not a carnal or fleshly mark, rather it is the mark of the flesh, or of carnality. For the carnal mind is illustrated in the will of the flesh. The mind being marked signifies carnal thinking, and the hand signifies the will of the flesh in agreement on the same gospel. The mark is a token of the nature of disobedience and signifies that one does not have the Spirit of God, but is sold out to the flesh. And one who has the mark of the beast in his head, has the sign of death upon him.

How can we answer the question, "What is the mark of the beast?" We answer that it is the carnal mind, the mind spiritually marked of the beast that has deceived them that they take on his character and do his will. Their hand is to serve in his kingdom to the same gospel, rather than in Christ's. And in this same cryptic fashion, Revelation 17:5 talks about the Harlot with a name written on her forehead saying "Mystery Babylon, the Great, the Mother of harlots, and abominations of the earth." Is this a literal woman with literal writing in her forehead? Again, not at all. It is symbolic language signifying a fallen spiritual city that outside looks rich and true, but inside is abominations and filth. To look for a literal woman with a name literally marked in her forehead would be foolishness. Yet this type of unsound hermeneutic is routinely practiced by many theologians in Revelation. But in these cryptic images we see battle against the one true God, and the images of the god of this world. One Kingdom of the Lamb, with the man of law serving God, and the other is the kingdom of the beast, with the man of lawlessness (sin) serving Satan. Images of the Christ, and of the false Christ.
One thus has to understand who the Beast is, and scripture shows us....
 

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One thus has to understand who the Beast is, and scripture shows us....
No Hobie, the beast is not limited to the RCC, she is only a part of the religious whore that lives in Mystery Babylon, which is this world~Isaiah 13, and many hundreds of OT scriptures pointing to this world system that is void of the Spirit of God, whom they have rejected in favor of the love of this world. Revelation 17, addresses the harlot of Mystery Babylon which are ALL false cults in this world from Cain to all of the rest that have risen up since the world begun. RCC just happens to be the biggest whore of all, Islam is not far behind! SDA is also part of this whore, her gospel is no different than Rome's both are based upon works~even though there may be more God fearing folk in the SDA movement. and there are also some in RCC, but not among their leaders I would not think, yet who knows, only God does.

The beast of Revelation is this world system that is antichrist in their thinking, living~the religious sector is seen in Revelation 17; the commerce sector in Revelation 18...both of their walls shall fall and be burnt with fire when God destroys this present world with fire per 2nd Peter 3.

Hobie, please address my two post to you above with more than what you did here. #59, 60.
 

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NOWHERE in the Bible does it say or imply that Mary was sinless. ONLY Jesus is sinless.
In Luke 1:46-47, we read - Then Mary said: “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior! Why would Mary need a Savior if she was sinless? Romans 3:23 clearly states - ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Notice it doesn't say all "expect Mary." Jesus Christ was the only exception. Hebrews 4:15 - For we do not have a high priest (Jesus Christ) who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.
 

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Hobie, by limiting Revelation 17 to Rome and the pope's ~ you and your SDA friends give a "free pass" to all other false cults who are basically doing the same thing as the whore in Rome are doing.

This is a great error with the SDA community along with others who do the same as Rome. Wicked men like Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Jimmy Swaggart's SBN, and Kenneth Copeland's empire; and many others, get a "free pass" as though they are not part of the spirit of antichrist which is prophesied that should come in the latter days of the last days, yet they are just as guilty.
Yes, but who has been doing it since the Roman Empire which was the time of Christ...and has not quit. You cant miss the big picture, as acknowledging the crux of the issue, not sidestepping it, is crucial for understanding and confronting the problem.
 

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The Mark of the Beast is coming. NOTHING can stop it.
Seventh-day Adventists teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday.