The meaning of 666 and its identity

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Revelation 13:16-18
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

In the book Book of Revelation Chapter 13:16–18, the Textus Receptus manuscripts of the New Testament, cryptically asserts 666 to be 'the number of a man' associated with the Beast of revelation.. Some manuscripts of the original Koine Greek use the symbols χξϛ chi xi stigma (or χξϝ with a digamma), while other manuscripts spell out the number in words. But there are a few that try to misdirect or say it is another number or put in the margin that some 'authorities' that 'read Six hundred and sixteen.' or 'one early ms has the letters for 616'

But it is clear that it is 666 and today this has become one of the most widely recognized symbols for the Antichrist. Now the number 666 in and of itself doesn’t mean anything bad. Sometimes something might cost 666 dollars, or someone’s address or phone number might contain the numbers '666' and many other examples. But in the Bible this number does have significance, in the final verse of Revelation 13 we find an identifying clue for the Beast: 'Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred sixty and six.'

So the Bible tells us that this number '666', is the number of a man, symbolized by the first beast of Revelation 13. Notice that “666” is not the “mark of the beast,” but is an identifier, something that helps us to identify who or what that beast is. This Beast is identified elsewhere as Babylon, which brought false worship and confused the people with it. You have to understand that false worship had spread from that to the true God, to the created objects such as the Sun, Moon and Stars. The ancient Babylonian false worship was basically development of star worship of what were created objects they saw. The heavenly bodies were seen as gods and worshipped as a supernatural beings. We find the sun, moon were identified with Shamash, Sin, and the planet Venus with Ishtar, Jupiter was Marduk, Saturn was the war god, Mercury was Nebo, Mars was Nergal, god of the dead as we find in history.

This system of identification was taken over and modified by the Greeks and Romans, using the names of their own deities. But when the Greek sailors and soldiers went to the temples they had to know or identify the "gods" or religious system they were worshiping, so the use of numbers/letter symbols of which "god" the temple was dedicated to or worshipped. We see the same system of identity in use today with the use of symbols on monstrance icons or on books, altars, baptismal fonts, communion hosts, letters which also have numeric meaning.

The use of "IHS" is translated some claim as a symbol for the name of Christ. As Greek has its own alphabet and in it “Jesus” is spelled “ιησυς” and when capitalized it becomes “ΙΗΣΟΥΣ”. The claim is that if you take just the first three letters of this word or “ΙΗΣ” which are the Greek letters “iota”, “eta” and “sigma”. When these letters are converted into modern alphabet it becomes “IHS”. However, no one can explain how these letters came about and their meaning with any certainty or real evidence which "god" they may represent.

The Roman Catholic priests hold up a monstrance during their high mass, and the form of a monstrance is that of a circular window which contain a host, which symbolizes the sun. It is surrounded by a golden rays of the sun emitting all around that circular window which contain "IHS" in the form of a host. This sunburst monstrance with the round host that symbolize the sun encased for the people to adore and venerate and so anytime this pagan sun symbol is viewed by the congregation, they kneel in submission. If you look you find that "IHS" is also the mystery name that the Roman Catholic churches have on their altar, on their vestments, when they say mass. You find this in the definition of "monstrance"...

mon·strance /ˈmänztr(ə)ns/

noun (in the Roman Catholic Church) an open or transparent receptacle in which the consecrated Host is exposed for veneration.

Now only is the symbol also on their host but they claim it becomes or transformed into the actual body of Christ, but we will leave that for another discussion. So letters in Greek had numeric meaning and these letters were used to identify what system of worship or "gods" the temples were dedicated to or followed.

We see in Revelation 13:18: “18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." The thing that throws most people off is when they look just at the "number of the man" 'anthrōpou' or 'of a human being' and then we are given the number which is 666. The number can represent the system of worship and at the same time show it is led by a "human being" not God, so we see how the number can be used to identify this antichrist entity, which at the same time is represented by a man.

Now as many will argue many other names, such as Nero, or Mohammed, or a king of Israel, none of these can be it as they do not fit the things it does or the length of its power, especially when it comes to the timeline which stretches to the end times. But we have to understand what prophecy in Revelation tells us and it gives us clues to follow of this system of worship which is led by a man..
 
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We read the following which gives us clues in the first part of the chapter, Revelation 13:1-8...
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

So we see it comes from the vast number of people as it rises from the sea, and "sea" in the Bible, symbolizes "peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues", verse 1.

We see in Revelation 13 verse 2, it is the composite of the four beasts in Daniel 7:1-7...
1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters. 2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. 3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. 4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. 5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. 7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

The dragon (or devil) gives it power and authority as we also see back in verse 2 of Revelation 13, "and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.".
It receives a deadly wound, verse 3, "as it were wounded to death" and we see it is healed, "and his deadly wound was healed:".
It is a strong political power, verse 7, "and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.".
It is also a strong religious power, verses 4, 8, "and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?", "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him".
It is guilty of blasphemy, verses 1, 5, 6, "And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle..".
It wars with and overcomes the saints, verse 7, for "forty and two months"/1260 years, verse 5.

Lets look at clue given by this prophetic time period found in scripture which is the 'forty and two months/1260 years/ time, times and half a time' mentioned in Daniel and Revelation:

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

If we look back to Daniel we see the word 'time' in this prophetic context refers to a period of a year. In the story of King Nebuchadnezzar, he went crazy for seven years which is given as "seven times" in the text, and humbled and ate grass as an ox as seen in Daniel 4:32:

Daniel 4:32 And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

So in prophetic reading we see the days equal years, so lets look how many days are in a time, times and half a time, it means time (or 1 year), times (or 2 years) and half a time (or 1/2 year) or a total of 3 1/2 years. Most people who look at it would stop at this point and accept the 3 1/2 years only at face value.

But these are prophetic years so each day is a year and 3 1/2 years would be 3 1/2 times a Jewish year of 360 days (360 x 3.5= 1260) so comes out to 1260 days, and a prophetic day equals a year so using the same methodology as is used for the 70 weeks of Daniel we calculate it to actually represent 1260 literal years. So, 'Time, Times and half a Time' in prophecy is really 1260 years. To confirm this formula we need only to look at the book of Revelation.

Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Here the woman represents the faithful church, who flees into the wilderness for 1260 days. Again using the day=year formula, this actually speaks of 1260 years that the church would be persecuted. Now look at verse 14:

Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Here the exact same time of persecution is referred to as 3 1/2 times, again meaning the same period of 1260 days/years as found in verse 6. In the book of Daniel, we saw this exact same period of persecution in church history:

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

This verse in context is referring to a period of time that the little horn or Antichrist power will persecute the true believers or true church, again for 1260 years. The same is true for the time given "that it shall be for a time, times, and an half" for Daniel 12:7

So why is it not a year equal to 365 days as we hold today? Well in ancient times the year was held to be at 360 days. The fact that the prophets understood a year as 360 days is well attested, and can be seen in the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation as seen in the use of "time, times and half a time" (i.e. 1+2+0.5=3.5), "1,260 days" and "42 months". These references represent a period of 1260 years (based on the 360 day Jewish year multiplied by 3.5). Divide 1,260 days by 42 months and you will get a 30-day month, as 12 months of 30 days equals 360-days in a year

These time periods occur eight times in scripture:
Daniel 7:25, "time, times and a half".
Daniel 9:27, "half one set of seven".
Daniel 12:7, "time, times and a half".
Revelation 11:2, "42 months".
Revelation 11:3, "1260 days".
Revelation 12:6, "1260 days".
Revelation 12:14, "time, times and a half".
Revelation 13:5, "42 months".

We see how the 1260 day-for-year prophecy is found in Daniel 7, 9 and 12 and again in Revelation 11, 12 and again in Revelation 13. so many chapters in the Bible all pointing to that same 1260 year period which today we know as "the dark ages". These "1,260 days" spanned the Middle Ages and so we are given many clues that show us what identifies this antichrist entity, which at the same time is represented by a man. And it clearly it cannot be Nero, or Mohammed, or any of the many others some claim as they do not fit the description or the timeline..
 
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Now, Revelation 13 says to calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

The alphabet of Latin, just like the alphabet of Hebrew and Greek, has numeric values because arithmetic numbers were unknown as these came much later. Now, we do have the title of a man who represents a religious entity that spans this timeline, and we find that numbers do add up to '666'.

Vicarills Filii Dei (Vicar of the Son of God in Latin) or Vicar of Jesus Christ is what he claims to be and the name would obviously apply to the official title of a "man" who, by virtue of his office, and continue on, century after century as we see has happened.

The Annuario Pontificio, the official Vatican yearbook, carries the traditional titles for the Pope, and he still carries the title, although they try to subtly hide it..
 
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Babylon in Revelation is a reference to the Roman empire and 666 is the numerical value of Nero Ceasar.

That is the general consensus and makes the most sence.
 

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People have been brainwashed to accept chip implants. Many pets have implants for ID. How about a chip in the right hand with medical, financial and ID info? Don't be surprised if Liberals fully support this!
 

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Babylon in Revelation is a reference to the Roman empire and 666 is the numerical value of Nero Ceasar.

That is the general consensus and makes the most sence.
And yet he is long gone and the 'Vicar' who says he is infallible still continues as the Prophecy said the man with the number would..
 

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Revelation 13:16-18
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Dear Hobie,
Numbers in scripture are "spirit" words (John 6:63) and carry meanings that are different than what man's wisdom teaches (1Cor 2:13).

The number 6 is a spiritual symbol which represent mankind. The number 3 is a spiritual symbol which represents a spiritual process.

When the number 6 is repeated 3 times, it represents a person who has gone through a spiritual process. This spiritual process is what Christ mentions below:

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself SEVEN other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

The spiritual symbol of an unclean spirit represents a spirit which teaches Satan's false truth through lies and deceptions.

Since a new believer remains spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25) after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, they cannot replace their worldly false beliefs with the truth of Christ. ONE unclean spirit leaves but comes back with SEVEN more. The number "seven" represents perfection. In this case, the number seven represents the perfection of Satan's lies/deceptions which come to a believer by the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ. Now, instead of ONE unclean spirit within the believer, they now have EIGHT. The number eight is a spiritual symbol which represents a new spiritual condition. In this case, the new spiritual condition is worse than the first.

This "worse than the first" spiritual condition causes the believer to become a False Prophet, a Man of Sin, a Minister of Satan and a Seven Headed Beast with Ten Horns & Crowns.

In other words, the number 666 represents all believers who have the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ and have become "worse than the first".

Since the late 1st Century A. D., all new believers have quickly become apostate after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit - just as Paul said they would (Acts 20:29-31). These apostate believers all have the mark of the beast (spirit of anti-Christ) and have become a "man of sin".

In this world, the apostate church is made up of approximately 2,000 different denominations/sects who all call themselves "Christian".

This verse applies to them:

2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

The "another gospel" the apostate church teaches always mixes man's works with faith in some fashion or another. In other words, Satan's gospel mixes the Old Covenant (based on man's works) with the New Covenant (based on Christ's works). When a believer does this mixing, it implies that the work of Christ which He does under the New Covenant is not sufficient to save them. When a believer accepts this false gospel, they have committed the sin that leads to death.

It is by this deception that Satan kills the saints:

Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

The Doctrine of Free Will is the foundation of Satan's gospel. When a believer accept this false doctrine, they believe that their salvation is based upon their own free will choices. Because of this belief, they make themselves out to be "God" who alone has a free will.

2Thes 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?


Any person who is saved, is saved only because it was God's "will" to save them and He saves them by the work of Christ. The person contributes nothing.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD.

Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


When an apostate believer accepts the Doctrine of Free Will, they believe that they have something to boast about concerning their own salvation - because, after all, they made the right choice when others did not. With this mindset, they believe that they are wiser, smarter or just less evil than those who reject Christ.

However, they are forgetting this verse:

Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

To change this spiritual condition within a person, Christ will come to them solely because of His grace and give them the Early Rain of the Spirit. With the Spirit, they will have a "measure of faith" which will cause them to accept Christ as their Lord and Savior. With the Spirit, they can make no other "choice":

Prov 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.


If Christ wanted to save all mankind today, Christ could simply do it by giving all mankind the Spirit - but doing that is not in accordance with His plan to save the world.

In this age, Christ is only giving the Spirit to those who have been chosen from the foundation of the world. They were chosen for this blessing not because of their "works", but because it satisfies the purpose of God:

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.

But since Christ loves all mankind, Christ will not forget about the rest of mankind. In the final age, Christ will first give the Spirit to the remaining balance of Gentiles and then to the remaining balance of physical Jews.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob...

Christ will accomplish this work because His judgment always includes justice, mercy and faith:

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

After the "lost" of the final age receive both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit, they will have the necessary faith they need to make the pathway "straight" for Christ to come to them and convert them. After they are converted, the new child of God will be gathered up to heaven (satisfies His mercy) and the child of the devil will remain in the Lake of Fire for destruction (satisfies His justice).

After the last person is saved, this scripture will be testified to be true:

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

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Revelation 13:16-18
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

In the book Book of Revelation Chapter 13:16–18, the Textus Receptus manuscripts of the New Testament, cryptically asserts 666 to be 'the number of a man' associated with the Beast of revelation.. Some manuscripts of the original Koine Greek use the symbols χξϛ chi xi stigma (or χξϝ with a digamma), while other manuscripts spell out the number in words. But there are a few that try to misdirect or say it is another number or put in the margin that some 'authorities' that 'read Six hundred and sixteen.' or 'one early ms has the letters for 616'

But it is clear that it is 666 and today this has become one of the most widely recognized symbols for the Antichrist. Now the number 666 in and of itself doesn’t mean anything bad. Sometimes something might cost 666 dollars, or someone’s address or phone number might contain the numbers '666' and many other examples. But in the Bible this number does have significance, in the final verse of Revelation 13 we find an identifying clue for the Beast: 'Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred sixty and six.'

So the Bible tells us that this number '666', is the number of a man, symbolized by the first beast of Revelation 13. Notice that “666” is not the “mark of the beast,” but is an identifier, something that helps us to identify who or what that beast is. This Beast is identified elsewhere as Babylon, which brought false worship and confused the people with it. You have to understand that false worship had spread from that to the true God, to the created objects such as the Sun, Moon and Stars. The ancient Babylonian false worship was basically development of star worship of what were created objects they saw. The heavenly bodies were seen as gods and worshipped as a supernatural beings. We find the sun, moon were identified with Shamash, Sin, and the planet Venus with Ishtar, Jupiter was Marduk, Saturn was the war god, Mercury was Nebo, Mars was Nergal, god of the dead as we find in history.

This system of identification was taken over and modified by the Greeks and Romans, using the names of their own deities. But when the Greek sailors and soldiers went to the temples they had to know or identify the "gods" or religious system they were worshiping, so the use of numbers/letter symbols of which "god" the temple was dedicated to or worshipped. We see the same system of identity in use today with the use of symbols on monstrance icons or on books, altars, baptismal fonts, communion hosts, letters which also have numeric meaning.

The use of "IHS" is translated some claim as a symbol for the name of Christ. As Greek has its own alphabet and in it “Jesus” is spelled “ιησυς” and when capitalized it becomes “ΙΗΣΟΥΣ”. The claim is that if you take just the first three letters of this word or “ΙΗΣ” which are the Greek letters “iota”, “eta” and “sigma”. When these letters are converted into modern alphabet it becomes “IHS”. However, no one can explain how these letters came about and their meaning with any certainty or real evidence which "god" they may represent.

The Roman Catholic priests hold up a monstrance during their high mass, and the form of a monstrance is that of a circular window which contain a host, which symbolizes the sun. It is surrounded by a golden rays of the sun emitting all around that circular window which contain "IHS" in the form of a host. This sunburst monstrance with the round host that symbolize the sun encased for the people to adore and venerate and so anytime this pagan sun symbol is viewed by the congregation, they kneel in submission. If you look you find that "IHS" is also the mystery name that the Roman Catholic churches have on their altar, on their vestments, when they say mass. You find this in the definition of "monstrance"...

mon·strance /ˈmänztr(ə)ns/

noun (in the Roman Catholic Church) an open or transparent receptacle in which the consecrated Host is exposed for veneration.

Now only is the symbol also on their host but they claim it becomes or transformed into the actual body of Christ, but we will leave that for another discussion. So letters in Greek had numeric meaning and these letters were used to identify what system of worship or "gods" the temples were dedicated to or followed.

We see in Revelation 13:18: “18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." The thing that throws most people off is when they look just at the "number of the man" 'anthrōpou' or 'of a human being' and then we are given the number which is 666. The number can represent the system of worship and at the same time show it is led by a "human being" not God, so we see how the number can be used to identify this antichrist entity, which at the same time is represented by a man.

Now as many will argue many other names, such as Nero, or Mohammed, or a king of Israel, none of these can be it as they do not fit the things it does or the length of its power, especially when it comes to the timeline which stretches to the end times. But we have to understand what prophecy in Revelation tells us and it gives us clues to follow of this system of worship which is led by a man..
I think it is absurd to think any Pope could be the Antichrist. They are for Christ, not against Him. They have sacrificed their whole lives to Christ, spreading the Gospel, loving and helping people. I am a Protestant, but I view ALL Catholics as believers ( in as much as we can observe their fruit).
I suspect ( not sure though) that John saw a vision of what is written on Islamic terrorists head bands or hand: "In the name of Allah".
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Arabic phrase, Bi-smi llāh; بِسْمِ ٱللَّٰهِ, "In the name of Allah"

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Much of the end time war in Revelation, is surrounding Jerusalem. Meggido is outside Jerusalem. Ten nations will gather together and attack Israel.
Presently there at least five countries attacking Israel as we speak - all Islamic.
Iran is behind this proxy war and they will gather more countries. So far we see Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen involved.
This will escalate to the point of all of the Middle East being on fire. Iran likely has nukes, but so does Israel. Israel will clean up Gaza, the Hezbollah, Houthies, then eventually all out war.
 
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Dear Hobie,
Numbers in scripture are "spirit" words (John 6:63) and carry meanings that are different than what man's wisdom teaches (1Cor 2:13).

The number 6 is a spiritual symbol which represent mankind. The number 3 is a spiritual symbol which represents a spiritual process.

When the number 6 is repeated 3 times, it represents a person who has gone through a spiritual process. This spiritual process is what Christ mentions below:

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself SEVEN other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

The spiritual symbol of an unclean spirit represents a spirit which teaches Satan's false truth through lies and deceptions.

Since a new believer remains spiritually blind (Mark 8:21-25) after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit, they cannot replace their worldly false beliefs with the truth of Christ. ONE unclean spirit leaves but comes back with SEVEN more. The number "seven" represents perfection. In this case, the number seven represents the perfection of Satan's lies/deceptions which come to a believer by the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ. Now, instead of ONE unclean spirit within the believer, they now have EIGHT. The number eight is a spiritual symbol which represents a new spiritual condition. In this case, the new spiritual condition is worse than the first.

This "worse than the first" spiritual condition causes the believer to become a False Prophet, a Man of Sin, a Minister of Satan and a Seven Headed Beast with Ten Horns & Crowns.

In other words, the number 666 represents all believers who have the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ and have become "worse than the first".

Since the late 1st Century A. D., all new believers have quickly become apostate after receiving the Early Rain of the Spirit - just as Paul said they would (Acts 20:29-31). These apostate believers all have the mark of the beast (spirit of anti-Christ) and have become a "man of sin".

In this world, the apostate church is made up of approximately 2,000 different denominations/sects who all call themselves "Christian".

This verse applies to them:

2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

The "another gospel" the apostate church teaches always mixes man's works with faith in some fashion or another. In other words, Satan's gospel mixes the Old Covenant (based on man's works) with the New Covenant (based on Christ's works). When a believer does this mixing, it implies that the work of Christ which He does under the New Covenant is not sufficient to save them. When a believer accept this false gospel, they have committed the sin that leads to death.

It is by this deception that Satan kills the saints:

Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

The Doctrine of Free Will is the foundation of Satan's gospel. When a believer accept this false doctrine, they believe that their salvation is based upon their own free will choices. Because of this belief, they make themselves out to be "God" who alone has a free will.

2Thes 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?


Any person who is saved, is saved only because it was God's "will" to save them.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD.

Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


When an apostate believer accepts the Doctrine of Free Will, they believe that they have something to boast about concerning their own salvation - because, after all, they made the right choice when others did not. With this mindset, they believe that they are wiser, smarter or just less evil than those who reject Christ.

However, they are forgetting this verse:

Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

To change this spiritual condition within a person, Christ will come to them solely because of His grace and give them the Early Rain of the Spirit. With the Spirit, they will have a "measure of faith" which will cause them to accept Christ as their Lord and Savior. With the Spirit, they can make no other "choice":

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

If Christ wanted to save all mankind today, Christ could simply do it by giving all mankind the Spirit - but doing that is not in accordance with His plan to save the world.

In this age, Christ is only giving the Spirit to those who have been chosen from the foundation of the world. They were chosen for this blessing not because of their "works", but because it satisfies the purpose of God:

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.

But since Christ loves all mankind, Christ will not forget about the rest of mankind. In the final age, Christ will first give the Spirit to the remaining balance of Gentiles and then to the remaining balance of physical Jews.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob...

Christ will accomplish this work because His judgment always includes justice, mercy and faith:

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

After the "lost" of the final age receive both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit, they will have the necessary faith they need to make the pathway "straight" for Christ to come to them and convert them. After they are converted, the new child of God will be gathered up to heaven (satisfies His mercy) and the child of the devil will remain in the Lake of Fire for destruction (satisfies His justice).

After the last person is saved, this scripture will be testified to be true:

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Joe
No, they are prophecy that is meant to be revealed as we see in the name 'Revelation of Jesus Christ', to spiritualize them is just a deception to twist and hide what the prophecies show and history confirms right in the timeline given. Need to rethink that over...
 

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I think it is absurd to think any Pope could be the Antichrist. They are for Christ, not against Him. They have sacrificed their whole lives to Christ, spreading the Gospel, loving and helping people. I am a Protestant, but I view ALL Catholics as believers ( in as much as we can observe their fruit).
I suspect ( not sure though) that John saw a vision of what is written on Islamic terrorists head bands or hand: "In the name of Allah".
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εξακοϲιαι εξηκο τα εξʼ ·

Arabic phrase, Bi-smi llāh; بِسْمِ ٱللَّٰهِ, "In the name of Allah"

___________

Much of the end time war in Revelation, is surrounding Jerusalem. Meggido is outside Jerusalem. Ten nations will gather together and attack Israel.
Presently there at least five countries attacking Israel as we speak - all Islamic.
Iran is behind this proxy war and they will gather more countries. So far we see Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen involved.
This will escalate to the point of all of the Middle East being on fire. Iran likely has nukes, but so does Israel. Israel will clean up Gaza, the Hezbollah, Houthies, then eventually all out war.
Well, lets look at what scripture gives us on the 'antichrist'..

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The antichrist has to deny Jesus came in the flesh. Let’s look up the Greek word “flesh” in the Greek Lexicon and see what it can mean..

Strong’s Hebrew/Greek Concordance:

sarx: Probably from the base of G4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), that is, (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred, or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such): – carnal (-ly, + -ly minded), flesh ([-ly]).

Thayer’s Greek Lexicon:

Thayer Definition:
1) flesh (the soft substance of the living body, which covers the bones and is permeated with blood) of both man and beasts

2) the body 2a) the body of a man 2b) used of natural or physical origin, generation or relationship 2b1) born of natural generation 2c) the sensuous nature of man, “the animal nature” 2c1) without any suggestion of depravity 2c2) the animal nature with cravings which incite to sin 2c3) the physical nature of man as subject to suffering

3) a living creature (because possessed of a body of flesh) whether man or beast

4) the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God

So what is our human nature, what are all human beings guilty of according to the bible. They are all guilty of sin, they have the propensity or that which opposes God. The bible teaches that although Jesus never sinned, he became sin for us.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Jesus came through the line of David, and we see what David said...

Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

This means that the whole line of David was a lineage individuals with a nature to sin, including Jesus. This is how Jesus, being God, could be tempted to sin as we see in the wilderness with the devil, Because he became man, and being made into a man he had the same human nature as man, the ability to sin. But yet He didnt sin...

So, how does the Roman Catholic Church teach that Jesus did not come in the flesh (human nature)? Well when they teach that the Virgin Mary was sinless at her conception of the baby Jesus, they in essence teach that Jesus has not come in the flesh, because Jesus came through her lineage, and as David had a nature to sin, she also had a nature to sin. Here is from the Catechism:

491. “Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, ‘full of grace’ through God, [Lk 1:28 .] was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854: The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of JESUS Christ, Saviour of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin. -Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus (1854): DS 2803.

To say that Jesus came into the world this way, born of a virgin who was not of sinful “flesh” as we are all in our human nature, is to say he did not come in the “flesh” of sinful nature because he came through her lineage. That is the spirit of antichrist., and it continues today..
 
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Well, lets look at what scripture gives us on the 'antichrist'..

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The antichrist has to deny Jesus came in the flesh. Let’s look up the Greek word “flesh” in the Greek Lexicon and see what it can mean..

Strong’s Hebrew/Greek Concordance:

sarx: Probably from the base of G4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), that is, (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred, or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specifically) a human being (as such): – carnal (-ly, + -ly minded), flesh ([-ly]).

Thayer’s Greek Lexicon:

Thayer Definition:
1) flesh (the soft substance of the living body, which covers the bones and is permeated with blood) of both man and beasts

2) the body 2a) the body of a man 2b) used of natural or physical origin, generation or relationship 2b1) born of natural generation 2c) the sensuous nature of man, “the animal nature” 2c1) without any suggestion of depravity 2c2) the animal nature with cravings which incite to sin 2c3) the physical nature of man as subject to suffering

3) a living creature (because possessed of a body of flesh) whether man or beast

4) the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God

So what is our human nature, what are all human beings guilty of according to the bible. They are all guilty of sin, they have the propensity or that which opposes God. The bible teaches that although Jesus never sinned, he became sin for us.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Jesus came through the line of David, and we see what David said...

Psalm 51:5
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

This means that the whole line of David was a lineage individuals with a nature to sin, including Jesus. This is how Jesus, being God, could be tempted to sin as we see in the wilderness with the devil, Because he became man, and being made into a man he had the same human nature as man, the ability to sin. But yet He didnt sin...

So, how does the Roman Catholic Church teach that Jesus did not come in the flesh (human nature)? Well when they teach that the Virgin Mary was sinless at her conception of the baby Jesus, they in essence teach that Jesus has not come in the flesh, because Jesus came through her lineage, and as David had a nature to sin, she also had a nature to sin. Here is from the Catechism:

491. “Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, ‘full of grace’ through God, [Lk 1:28 .] was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854: The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of JESUS Christ, Saviour of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin. -Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus (1854): DS 2803.

To say that Jesus came into the world this way, born of a virgin who was not of sinful “flesh” as we are all in our human nature, is to say he did not come in the “flesh” of sinful nature because he came through her lineage. That is the spirit of antichrist., and it continues today..
I am aware of the the various meanings of sarx. When applied to Jesus, it simply means God became flesh ( a human, with all the faculties) and dwelt among us. The Catholic Church does not deny that. That is a fundamental belief by all Trinitarians.
Jesus was not conceived in sin, SINCE sin legally comes from the father's seed.
Mary was conceived by the Holy Spirit. Besides being God, Jesus was without sin. It was simply His Spirit taking up residence in a fetus/ baby.
They could believe that Mary was without sin, but she was not. That does not disqualify their faith in Jesus. If they pray to Mary or their Saints to intercede, the are wasted prayers. Now they do pray to the Father of Jesus - that is not wasted.
Here is what qualifies a Christian: That we believe that Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead on the third day according to the scriptures.

We follow and obey the teachings of the Bible, not perfectly. Protestants aren't perfect in their theology either as we witness on a daily basis here!
You would be hard pressed to find a Pope, Cardinal, Bishop or Priest who does not believe in Jesus.
You foolishly led by this irrational hate of Roman Catholics.
 
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No, they are prophecy that is meant to be revealed as we see in the name 'Revelation of Jesus Christ', to spiritualize them is just a deception to twist and hide what the prophecies show and history confirms right in the timeline given. Need to rethink that over...
Dear Hobie,
The book of Revelation is the unveiling of Christ within the Elect. The book teaches how this happens and that is why the book says that the Elect will "keep" the sayings of the prophecies:

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the TIME IS AT HAND.

Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. 10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the TIME IS AT HAND.


All the Elect since John received the vision will keep the sayings of the prophecies BECAUSE the time for their fulfillment in each of their lives was/is "at hand". The prophecies are not one-time future world events that only happen at the literal end of this age. That is a carnal understanding of God's Word and is completely false.

The Elect will even keep the sayings of the prophecy which are not "bread" (truth) - this includes all of chapter 13.

Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, it is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

The Elect will unknowingly (that is the nature of deception) receive the mark of the beast (spirit of anti-Christ) and they will become "worse than the first" (Mat 12:43-45). They cannot avoid it (Mat 24:24). For this reason, Christ will come a second time to the Elect and pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit upon them. With the Latter Rain, their spiritual blindness will be healed and Christ (God's Word) will be unveiled to them.

After the Elect's blindness is healed, they will be able to "see" the Abomination of Desolation that had previously occurred within themselves (God's temple):

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand. 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains...

After the Elect see the A of D, the Day of the Lord (judgment) will arrive and will remove the spirit of anti-Christ from within them and cast it into the Lake of Fire. Also, at that time, the "chaff" (carnal nature, Great Harlot) will be removed and likewise cast into the Lake of Fire.

This judgment is presented in Luke 3:17, Mat 24:40-41 and Rev 19:20.

After Christ's judgment is complete, the Elect believer will be converted.

All the Elect since the end of the 1st century A. D. will follow this pathway to salvation.

Joe
 

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Jesus was Mary's Savior. She needed a Savior because she was a sinner. ONLY Jesus was sinless!
 

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People have been brainwashed to accept chip implants. Many pets have implants for ID. How about a chip in the right hand with medical, financial and ID info? Don't be surprised if Liberals fully support this!
It will happen eventually, and its no one else's fault except the people. If you do not stop voting and renounce government, you are apart of the problem.
 

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The meaning of 666 and its identity​

666 = Man Man Man.....ahhhhh, which Man, which Men? Is it singular or collective? Why not both? Why not collective consciousness (individually and historically) which glorifies self with a (singular) Man as representative of the collective?
 

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I am aware of the the various meanings of sarx. When applied to Jesus, it simply means God became flesh ( a human, with all it's faculties) and dwelt among us. The Catholic Church does not deny that. That is a fundamental belief by all Trinitarians.
Jesus was not conceived in sin, SINCE sin legally comes from the father's seed.
Mary was conceived bybtue Holy Spirit. Besides bing God, Jesus was without sin, just His Spirit taking up residence in a baby.
They could believe that Mary was without sin, but she was not. That does not disqualify their faith in Jesus. If they prat to Mary or Saints to intercede, the are wasted prayers. Now they do pray to the Father of Jesus - that is not wasted.
Here is what qualifies a Christians: That we believe that Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead on the third day according to the scriptures.

We follow and obey the teachings of the Bible, not perfectly. Protestants aren't perfect in their theology either as we witness on a daily basis here!
You would be hard pressed to find a Pope, Cardinal, Bishop or Priest who does not believe in Jesus.
You foolishly led by this irrational hate of Roman Catholics.
This is following the teaching of the Bible, persecution true believers....and saying they were 'heretics'. no this is antichrist behavior.
 

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Seems like you are the one persecuting true believers.
Lets see...

John Huss​

John Huss was sentenced to a most horrendous death; he was burnt alive at the stake by Roman Catholic Church.

“Being again exhorted to retract, he replied, turning toward the people, "With what face, then, should I behold the heavens? How should I look on those multitudes of men to whom I have preached the pure gospel? No; I esteem their salvation more than this poor body, now appointed unto death." Finally a crown or mitre, on which were painted frightful figures of demons, and bearing the inscription, "The Arch-Heretic," was placed upon his head. "Most joyfully," he said, "will I wear this crown of shame for thy sake, O Lord Jesus, who for me didst wear a crown of thorns."

“He was now delivered up to the secular authorities, and led away to the place of execution. An immense procession followed, hundreds of men at arms, priests and bishops in their costly robes, and the inhabitants of Constance. When he had been fastened to the stake, and all was ready for the fire to be lighted, the martyr was once more exhorted to save himself by renouncing his errors. "What errors," said Huss, "shall I renounce? I know myself guilty of none. I call God to witness that all that I have written or preached has been with the view of rescuing souls from sin and perdition; and, therefore, most joyfully will I confirm with my blood that truth which I have written and preached. When the flames kindled about him, he began to sing, "Jesus, thou Son of David, have mercy on me," and so continued till his voice was silenced forever.”

The Martyr Jerome​

Because of his faith in the Word of God, Jerome, another faithful man was condemned, by the Catholic prelates, to be burnt alive at the stake. On the day of his execution he was pleading with God for mercy as he had previously recanted from his faith because of fear when he beheld Huss’ execution. At the stake Jerome exclaimed: "Of all the sins that I have committed since my youth, none weigh so heavily upon my mind, and cause me such poignant remorse, as that which I committed in this fatal place, when I approved of the iniquitous sentence rendered against Wycliffe, and the holy martyr, John Huss, my master. Yes, I confess it from my heart; and declare with horror that I disgracefully quailed, when, through a dread of death, I condemned their doctrines. I therefore supplicate Almighty God to deign to pardon me my sins, and this one in particular, the most heinous of all." “His last words, uttered as the flames rose about him, were a prayer. "Lord, Almighty Father," he cried, "have pity on me, and pardon me my sins, for thou knowest that I have always loved thy truth." His voice ceased, but his lips continued to move in prayer.”

John Wycliffe​

John Wycliffe in his desire to reach out to the hungry multitudes with the Word of God, made it possible for the first copies of the Word of God to circulate in the English language as he translated it from the Latin version. However, Wycliffe’s daring task was not appreciated by an enraged Papacy that was thirsty for any opponent’s blood. This man of God died a natural death, leaving behind a heritage of faithfulness to the Word of God. “The papists had failed to work their will with Wycliffe during his life, and their hatred could not be satisfied while his body rested quietly in the grave. By the decree of the Council of Constance, more than forty years after his death his bones were exhumed and publicly burned, and the ashes were thrown into a neighboring brook.”

William Tyndale​

Englishman William Tyndale translated the Word of God in the early 16th century. The influence of his translation still remains with us today in the form of the King James Version. This later translation relied heavily upon Tyndale’s work. Tyndale was burned at the stake on 6 October, 1536. The Catholic prelates condemned him to death in the flames after finding him guilty of treason against the Papacy. He was killed for having translated the Word of God from the original Hebrew and Greek into the English language. Of Tyndale it is written that he “was to complete the work of Wycliffe in giving the Word of God to his countrymen.” He was “A diligent student and an earnest seeker for truth, who had received the Gospel from the Greek Testament of Erasmus. He fearlessly preached his convictions, urging that all doctrines be tested by the Scriptures. To the papist claim that the church had given the Word of God, and the church alone could explain it, Tyndale responded, "Do you know who taught the eagles to find their prey? That same God teaches his hungry children to find their Father in his Word. Far from having given us the Scriptures, it is you who have hidden them from us; it is you who burn those who teach them; and if you could, you would burn the Scriptures themselves.".......

History speaks volumes of the millions of faithful wiped out and killed by this antichrist entity....
 

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Jesus was Mary's Savior. She needed a Savior because she was a sinner. ONLY Jesus was sinless!
Not according to the Bible . . .

The Angel's greeting to Mary was very revealing.
The Greek word is "Kecharitomene" that Luke used in his Gospel (v.1:28), which is the perfect passive participle, indicates a completed action with a permanent result. Thus it translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”

Kecharitomene
is not a mere description here. It is used as a title – a name.
The Angel didn’t say, “Hail Mary, full of grace.” He said, "Hail, Kecharitomene.”

Whereas we are BEING sanctified throughout our life - Mary was already fully-sanctified. And whereas, it was Jesus who saved here - God chose to save her at conception.
 

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Lets see...

John Huss​

John Huss was sentenced to a most horrendous death; he was burnt alive at the stake by Roman Catholic Church.

“Being again exhorted to retract, he replied, turning toward the people, "With what face, then, should I behold the heavens? How should I look on those multitudes of men to whom I have preached the pure gospel? No; I esteem their salvation more than this poor body, now appointed unto death." Finally a crown or mitre, on which were painted frightful figures of demons, and bearing the inscription, "The Arch-Heretic," was placed upon his head. "Most joyfully," he said, "will I wear this crown of shame for thy sake, O Lord Jesus, who for me didst wear a crown of thorns."

“He was now delivered up to the secular authorities, and led away to the place of execution. An immense procession followed, hundreds of men at arms, priests and bishops in their costly robes, and the inhabitants of Constance. When he had been fastened to the stake, and all was ready for the fire to be lighted, the martyr was once more exhorted to save himself by renouncing his errors. "What errors," said Huss, "shall I renounce? I know myself guilty of none. I call God to witness that all that I have written or preached has been with the view of rescuing souls from sin and perdition; and, therefore, most joyfully will I confirm with my blood that truth which I have written and preached. When the flames kindled about him, he began to sing, "Jesus, thou Son of David, have mercy on me," and so continued till his voice was silenced forever.”

The Martyr Jerome​

Because of his faith in the Word of God, Jerome, another faithful man was condemned, by the Catholic prelates, to be burnt alive at the stake. On the day of his execution he was pleading with God for mercy as he had previously recanted from his faith because of fear when he beheld Huss’ execution. At the stake Jerome exclaimed: "Of all the sins that I have committed since my youth, none weigh so heavily upon my mind, and cause me such poignant remorse, as that which I committed in this fatal place, when I approved of the iniquitous sentence rendered against Wycliffe, and the holy martyr, John Huss, my master. Yes, I confess it from my heart; and declare with horror that I disgracefully quailed, when, through a dread of death, I condemned their doctrines. I therefore supplicate Almighty God to deign to pardon me my sins, and this one in particular, the most heinous of all." “His last words, uttered as the flames rose about him, were a prayer. "Lord, Almighty Father," he cried, "have pity on me, and pardon me my sins, for thou knowest that I have always loved thy truth." His voice ceased, but his lips continued to move in prayer.”

John Wycliffe​

John Wycliffe in his desire to reach out to the hungry multitudes with the Word of God, made it possible for the first copies of the Word of God to circulate in the English language as he translated it from the Latin version. However, Wycliffe’s daring task was not appreciated by an enraged Papacy that was thirsty for any opponent’s blood. This man of God died a natural death, leaving behind a heritage of faithfulness to the Word of God. “The papists had failed to work their will with Wycliffe during his life, and their hatred could not be satisfied while his body rested quietly in the grave. By the decree of the Council of Constance, more than forty years after his death his bones were exhumed and publicly burned, and the ashes were thrown into a neighboring brook.”

William Tyndale​

Englishman William Tyndale translated the Word of God in the early 16th century. The influence of his translation still remains with us today in the form of the King James Version. This later translation relied heavily upon Tyndale’s work. Tyndale was burned at the stake on 6 October, 1536. The Catholic prelates condemned him to death in the flames after finding him guilty of treason against the Papacy. He was killed for having translated the Word of God from the original Hebrew and Greek into the English language. Of Tyndale it is written that he “was to complete the work of Wycliffe in giving the Word of God to his countrymen.” He was “A diligent student and an earnest seeker for truth, who had received the Gospel from the Greek Testament of Erasmus. He fearlessly preached his convictions, urging that all doctrines be tested by the Scriptures. To the papist claim that the church had given the Word of God, and the church alone could explain it, Tyndale responded, "Do you know who taught the eagles to find their prey? That same God teaches his hungry children to find their Father in his Word. Far from having given us the Scriptures, it is you who have hidden them from us; it is you who burn those who teach them; and if you could, you would burn the Scriptures themselves.".......

History speaks volumes of the millions of faithful wiped out and killed by this antichrist entity....
There have been lots of injustices in both sides in history -lots of death in tue. Ame of Christ unfortunately. I thought we were talking about the present time and coming Antichrist?