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"God is Not the author of confusion!..." (1 Corinthians 14:33 AV)
Off topic here, so I answered over here: KJV Only?
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Hillsage
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READS DIFFERENT? What name is on your bible? Is it KING JAMES? If YES, then tell me why it's different below compared to 4 other translations AND with itself?
If your bible is KJV, do you want to know another verse IN YOUR BIBLE which translates the same Greek word "REMIT/APHIEMI" as "FORGIVE/APHIEMI"
LUK 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive/APHIEMI them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
NKJ JOH 20:23 "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."
RSV JOH 20:23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."
NIV JOH 20:23 If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
Every translation above also translates the same Greek word a FORGIVE in Luke 23:34. INCLUDING THE KJV. So tell me why the KJV is inconsistent in only Joh 20:23 by saying "REMIT"?
Yes I do include myself. Why don't you? But I do so with a knowledge you apparently don't know about.
Question? Did Stephen forgive the sins of his killers, just like Jesus did? If you say NO! then what did he mean?
ACT 7:60 And he/STEPHEN knelt down and cried with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them."
Question? If Jesus eternally forgave the sins of anyone before he died on the cross then why did He still have to die?
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I'm questioning the dependency people can have on a book at the expense of a personal direct relationship and communication with the Creators.
I'm very surprised at the question. But maybe I've misunderstood what you're asking.
Is the bible lacking information about all truth which resides within the Creators? Absolutely!
Is the bible lacking in recording all that Jesus did? Absolutely!
Is the bible itself lacking context? Absolutely!
Is the bible lacking the divine life of the Creators? Absolutely! It's a book full of writing on pages.
Does the bible contain exhaustive information on all the above? Absolutely NOT!
So do we have any chance of gaining further information that is lacking in the 81 books in the most extensive bible available on earth? Absolutely!
St. SteVen
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Big Boy Johnson
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Big Boy Johnson
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I do tell her that and if she tries to assault me I'll call the sheriff and have her arrested!
I won't have to do that because she's not stoopid. I don't assault her and she's not going to assault me.
Men that are not the leaders of their household are weak in out of God's will in their personal lives.
It also keeps the door open for the devil to have a free hand to bring in destruction if the man of the house is weak and is letting the wife be the leader of the household.
Taken
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If you were quoting this in the affirmative, I think I would agree with you again.
St. SteVen
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LOL
Interesting to note the presumption in the question. (the justice of God premise)
Being: "The justice of God means that sinners will get what they deserve."
The HUGE oversight being that believers will NOT get what they rightly deserve, by virtue of grace.
Meaning: "The justice of God means that NOT ALL sinners will get what they deserve."
Which refutes the justice of God premise.
And... asking "Why?" Everyone Goes to Heaven is the most thoughtless question imaginable. IMHO
As if the questioner sees themselves as somehow undeserving in their own definition of justice.
/ @Hillsage
Taken
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LOL. What a load of on-guard gobbelygook defense to skirt a simple question.
A proper response to Why is:
Because…. Or IDK!
I'm not sure if one person's prayer could move God to forgive everyone's sin's, though He did get Jesus to die for everyone's sin. Maybe it wouldn't be a sin to pray for everyone, so all would go to live in peace with our Creators.
I had prayed for my enemies on more than one occasion after forgiving them for offending me, others or God.
On numerous occasions I found myself praying fervently with tears for my greatest enemy, Satan, the devil, asking God to forgive him for his wrongdoing.
Knowing what it is like to intentionally go through the process of sinning against my Creators, the stress, guilt, shame, loss of peace, loss of connection and intimacy with Them, it was absolutely terrible.
I put myself in the shoes of one who has, and is experiencing this on a moment by moment basis. He probably knows that he can never overthrow his Creators. He may believe he cannot go back to his former life with his Creators, serving Them in heaven. The sense of loss must've been and may still be to Satan/Lucifer, absolutely terrible!
I don't pray that God would draw Satan to Himself anymore, nor hope that Satan repents, nor pray that God forgives Satan and cleanses him with the blood of His Lamb, nor hope that God restores Satan to an even greater position and role than previously.
Because I know that the God and Father of the Lamb has, at some stage in eternity, reconciled Satan to Himself. I know that Jesus has welcomed Satan back. I know that They have prepared and presented a throne to God's left.
This was revealed to me just over 2 years ago.
I know that Jesus, the Father's sacrificial Lamb has stood up and with open arms, welcoming the prodigal angels to come. I know that Satan has accepted His Creator's offer to sit beside Him. I know that Jesus' Father has asked Satan to stand and to welcome his fellow rebellious angels with open arms. I also know that the faithful angels were restraining these unfaithful angels until God Almighty stands, and with open arms, invites them to come to Him.
This was revealed to me just today.
And this is truly brilliant, fantastic and glorious. It left me in a state of worship and praise and awe of our God and Creator. To Him be glory forever and ever!
I agree with you. It would definitely be me. I am only one hearing from God. The bible has up to 50 contributors who heard from the same God.
But if I had to choose between the bible and God's Spirit of Truth, well, I'd like to think that we all would choose the Person over an inanimate object, the bible.
Your ATTACKS on the Bible are subtle but real. The Bible is the written Word of God. Those who deny it are heading for EVERLASTING Hell fire.
I'd say that the bible contains an extremely limited volume of God's expressed thoughts given to humans, most of these which were never written down and even less made the cut, therefore were not included.
Others can stay within this limited source but as for me, I've enjoyed the growing intimacy with my Creators that I have experienced since not handling, reading, studing the bible book.
I am glad for those who, by the Spirit of God, recieve truth with or without the bible.
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