Was Jesus 'mortal' or 'immortal' ?

[Bob Estey]

Sad.

Sad that God is humble or sad that I believe Jesus is God in flesh?

 

[Peterlag]

Sad that God is humble or sad that I believe Jesus is God in flesh?

Sad that you believe Jesus is God. I have asked many what would be the purpose for God to do such a stupid thing. And nobody can answer what such a thing would accomplish.

 

[Bob Estey]

Sad that you believe Jesus is God. I have asked many what would be the purpose for God to do such a stupid thing. And nobody can answer what such a thing would accomplish.

I think people who think Jesus is God in flesh, and those who don't, can treat each other with respect.

 

[Peterlag]

I think people who think Jesus is God in flesh, and those who don't, can treat each other with respect.

I thought I was being respectful to you. My question or interest is an honest one. I feel God turning Himself into a man to get beat up and spit on is a stupid thing. So I honestly ask why would He do such a thing? What purpose does it accomplish? And all I ever get back for an answer is well, you're a heretic.

 

[Fred J]

The Christ in Jesus.

When Jesus already surrender up His spirit to the FATHER, died and was buried apparently. Then, how come you're witnessing falsely His 'spirit' and soul visited hell during that time ?

Can you say there was blood?

Again, is there a scripture quote in regards ?

Life but what was the life coming from? Blood when Jesus is risen? Or was it the life giving spirit of God?

Even though when Jesus was buried for three days, did He not go and minister to the spirits held captive from Noah's time ?
This shows He was alive, even though pronounced dead and was buried.

In regards the Holy Spirit, He was the resurrection power which raise Jesus from the mouth of sheol that swallows the dead.

Revealed now today by the Revelation?

Thank you.

Nope, but in Matthew 6: 6&9

 

[Fred J]

Because he was God in flesh - he doesn't die.

Ironically, but He died and was buried in the flesh like everyone.

I guess we don't either.

Then, why the dead (saints) shall rise at the sound of the trumpet ?

 

[Fred J]

John 3
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Wake up, for that quote is for people like Nicodemus, who's not born again. But, we are born again of water and of the Holy Spirit, and are spirit, the new creation.

but that which SPIRITUAL has the POWER to APPEAR in the LIKENESS AS A MAN YET REMAIN A SPIRIT.

In other words, you're trying to say, Jesus didn't have truly a human body ?

John 1 IS about Jesus…
Jesus was NOT born by the will or blood of man.
Jesus was born … Came forth out From God….and Jesus Himself SAID SO.
God Doesn’t have BABIES, He comes forth out from Himself, Purposing IN Himself to Accomplish HIS WILL BE DONE, Restoring His People unto Him, Adopting the Willing and Faithful unto Him, and Separating Himself and His People from those who reject Him.

John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

You're taking the quote literally as it is, Jesus came out from the FATHER's body ?

i only perceive JESUS alone is closest to the FATHER in HIS dwelling, in Heaven and in secret, as at the bosom of the FATHER.

I don’t need to quote the entire text of John 1…..a diligent person SHOULD know….
John 1 IS: about …. The word of God, The Light of the world, He came among His own (Jews), He made the world, He was NOT MADE by the blood, effort, will of man, BUT was SENT forth out from God, (in God, sent out…uh born of God), to where God Sent Him!…
surprise …. Sent to An undefiled VIRGIN WOMB! … of a woman betrothed to a man of the House of David….ta da…a legal heir to Kind David’s everlasting throne, and legal heir to Abraham’s Promised Land…..HOW WISE of God to always BE PREPARING… Even Jesus’ Kingdom and Throne for His upcoming 1,000 year reign…!!!

You didn't have to, for the topic is, Jesus was mortal or immortal ?

 

[Taken]

Wake up, for that quote is for people like Nicodemus, who's not born again.

“THAT QUOTE”…

(John 3
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?)

Is for ANYONE (like you) believer or NOT, born again or NOT, who is without Understanding, between Natural things and Spiritual things.

YOUR (Fred J) QUOTE…
Post #104
“So, Joseph provided the seed then to Mary for her to conceive…”

Uh, No.

A Natural CONCEPTION occurs, by a NATURAL seed of a man, fertilizing the NATURAL egg of a woman, IN the Fallopian tube of a woman, and that fertilized egg travels to the woman’s WOMB and she IS CONCEIVED. (Pregnant).

Mary was conceived in her WOMB, by the Power of the Holy Spirit.
Joseph’s “NATURAL” SEED, Mary’s “NATURAL” EGG had NOTHING whatsoever to do with Mary being “Conceived” (Pregnant).

 

[Taken]

You didn't have to, for the topic is, Jesus was mortal or immortal ?


But, we are born again of water and of the Holy Spirit, and are spirit,the new creation.

ARE SPIRIT…? No.

In other words, you're trying to say, Jesus didn't have truly a human body ?

“In other words”….are your words, not mine.

It is deceptive to CHANGE another person’s words, when the two DO NOT AGREE, and further deceptive to slap a question mark after a deceptive STATEMENT.

You're taking the quote literally as it is, Jesus came out from the FATHER's body ?

Literally? Absolutely! Absolutely, Specifically…Jesus came out from Gods “MOUTH”!!

THE QUOTE:
(John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.)

i onlyperceive JESUS alone is closest to the FATHER in HIS dwelling, in Heaven and in secret, as at the bosom of the FATHER.

Yet another POINT whereby, you and I DISAGREE.

You didn't have to, for the topic is, Jesus was mortal or immortal ?

The TOPIC … is Jesus mortal or immortal…
WAS answered…

Jesus Christ IS NOT mortal.

Heb 13:
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[Fred J]

ARE SPIRIT…? No.



“In other words”….are your words, not mine.

It is deceptive to CHANGE another person’s words, when the two DO NOT AGREE, and further deceptive to slap a question mark after a deceptive STATEMENT.



Literally? Absolutely! Absolutely, Specifically…Jesus came out from Gods “MOUTH”!!

THE QUOTE:
(John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.)



Yet another POINT whereby, you and I DISAGREE.



The TOPIC … is Jesus mortal or immortal…
WAS answered…

Jesus Christ IS NOT mortal.

Heb 13:
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

You're over qualified in the wisdom of this world for me,.

For it is written, 'Am in this world but am off this world.'

 

[MatthewG]

When Jesus already surrender up His spirit to the FATHER, died and was buried apparently. Then, how come you're witnessing falsely His 'spirit' and soul visited hell during that time ?

It’s talked about by Peter.

Again, is there a scripture quote in regards ?

There is a lot scriptures, to read from. Some do, some do not.

Even though when Jesus was buried for three days, did He not go and minister to the spirits held captive from Noah's time ?

Peter said he did.

This shows He was alive, even though pronounced dead and was buried.

Alive, in Hell.

In regards the Holy Spirit, He was the resurrection power which raise Jesus from the mouth of sheol that swallows the dead.

Okay.

Nope, but in Matthew 6: 6&9

If you say so.

I’m gonna go ahead and just bow out though, I’m personally going to just stop the conversation in regards to no progress seems to be made, which doesn’t mean there was and progress to go through anyway. You’re fine where you are aren’t you?

All the best, to you!

 

[Fred J]

It’s talked about by Peter.

There is a lot scriptures, to read from. Some do, some do not.

Peter said he did.

Alive, in Hell.

Okay.

If you say so.

I’m gonna go ahead and just bow out though, I’m personally going to just stop the conversation in regards to no progress seems to be made, which doesn’t mean there was and progress to go through anyway. You’re fine where you are aren’t you?

All the best, to you!

So, you mean to say, you didn't get any thing out of it ?

Am merely witnessing to what am disciple with in the New Testament.

Many of us defer in the knowledge and wisdom of the Holy Bible, sad...

We cannot come to terms because there are many masters than learners.

 

[Taken]

You're over qualified in the wisdom of this world for me,.

For it is written, 'Am in this world but am off this world.'

Being wise to that which is “OF THIS WORLD”, does NOT MEAN, the person is being subjugate “OF THIS World”.

HAVING“worldly knowledge AND spiritual knowledge”….
is simply a matter of knowledge.

BEING “OF” this world OR “IN” this world…
is expressly a matter of Heartful Confessed Allegiance to the Lord God…”IN” Christ…IN “THIS” world…
Or NOT…which is ”OF” this world.

Absolutely the Lord God “DOES NOT want a man to “BE IGNORANT” of KNOWLEDGE. “OF this world, or OF His world”…

Absolutely the Lord God “DOES” want a man to “FREELY CHOOSE”, to be “OF” His world, and NOT “OF” this world.

How does a man CHOOSE, without KNOWLEDGE of BOTH “worlds’?

Did you NOT Learn Knowledge ABOUT…SEE the sun, moon, stars, sky, clouds, and learn about the UNSEEN Lord God, BEFORE you freely chose to BELIEVE IN Him?

Note;
Your sly implication was noted, but failed.

 

[MatthewG]

So, you mean to say, you didn't get any thing out of it ?

Am merely witnessing to what am disciple with in the New Testament.

Many of us defer in the knowledge and wisdom of the Holy Bible, sad...

We cannot come to terms because there are many masters than learners.

It’s just subjective, Fred. Everyone who is a follower of Christ has a subjective relationship with Yahava. It’s no different than the difference of me believing Jesus already came back and someone else saying no he did not. That’s why I’m glad that even though we do differ on something’s, it doesn’t mean that salvation is not had! That is a wonderful thing to me. All the best, again, you take care.

In the end was the Lord Jesus Christ body, mortal? Yes. Because he died. But what was in him was eternal and left this realm and went to hell, Paradise and Prison, as Peter proclaimed.

It’s subjective and believed that Yeshua the Son of God went to hell.

 

[Bob Estey]

Ironically, but He died and was buried in the flesh like everyone.

Then, why the dead (saints) shall rise at the sound of the trumpet ?

You need to define "dead." Does it mean "gone from this world" or does it mean "gone forever"?

 

[Taken]

So, you mean to say, you didn't get any thing out of it ?

Why are you consistently CHANGING an others words TO your words?


Clearly @MatthewG spoke for himself what he meant, and disagrees with what you said for yourself, and wants to not debate you, and wished you well.

We cannot come to terms because there are many masters than learners.

People do not come to the SAME conclusions, primarily because they are NOT
All at the SAME exact distance of hearing, learning, studying, knowing and understanding.

 

[MatthewG]

Hey @Taken. I just present information. People can take at face value, or throw in the trash. It’s the spirit that is important not if someone is “right” or not. Because not everyone has studied things like end times, return of Christ, etc… in the end it’s all about faith and love.

 

[Taken]

Hey @Taken. I just present information. People can take at face value, or throw in the trash. It’s the spirit that is important not if someone is “right” or not. Because not everyone has studied things like end times, return of Christ, etc… in the end it’s all about faith and love.

Yes. My point was in support of this same view.

 

[Fred J]

Why are you consistently CHANGING an others words TO your words?


Clearly @MatthewG spoke for himself what he meant, and disagrees with what you said for yourself, and wants to not debate you, and wished you well.




People do not come to the SAME conclusions, primarily because they are NOT
All at the SAME exact distance of hearing, learning, studying, knowing and understanding.

Why are you a 'busybody', where 'busybody' are among 'adulterer' and 'murderer', and deserve to suffer ?

 

[Fred J]

Being wise to that which is “OF THIS WORLD”, does NOT MEAN, the person is being subjugate “OF THIS World”.

HAVING“worldly knowledge AND spiritual knowledge”….
is simply a matter of knowledge.

BEING “OF” this world OR “IN” this world…
is expressly a matter of Heartful Confessed Allegiance to the Lord God…”IN” Christ…IN “THIS” world…
Or NOT…which is ”OF” this world.

Absolutely the Lord God “DOES NOT want a man to “BE IGNORANT” of KNOWLEDGE. “OF this world, or OF His world”…

Absolutely the Lord God “DOES” want a man to “FREELY CHOOSE”, to be “OF” His world, and NOT “OF” this world.

How does a man CHOOSE, without KNOWLEDGE of BOTH “worlds’?

Did you NOT Learn Knowledge ABOUT…SEE the sun, moon, stars, sky, clouds, and learn about the UNSEEN Lord God, BEFORE you freely chose to BELIEVE IN Him?

Note;
Your sly implication was noted, but failed.

Suite yourself, apparently you get 'Taken' away in your 'self' dilemma.