Why its important to keep the Sabbath

[Phoneman777]

2nd Corinthians 3:7-8 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?

The Ten Commandments are only a "ministry of death" to those who attempt to gain salvation by keeping them. To those who've gained it by grace through faith, the Ten Commandments are "holy, just, good" and "the Law of Liberty" and a "delight", etc.

Y'know who finds them "grievous"? Those who are going to hell.

 

[Grailhunter]

Do you have the courage to publicly state that Christians can worship Satan since you claim we aren't obligated to keep the Ten Commandments?

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Do you have the courage to publicly state that Christians can worship Satan since you claim we aren't obligated to keep the Ten Commandments?

That is not the choices. The scriptures are not Satan and they say I am not obligated to observe any Old Testament Law.

The choice is do you want to practice Judaism or be a Christian?

And are you silly enough to think you have an option to do both?

Considering what you have said so far I would say you have already been severed from Christ and have fallen from Grace.

Better check in at your local synagogue.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Ten Commandments are only a "ministry of death" to those who attempt to gain salvation by keeping them. To those who've gained it by grace through faith, the Ten Commandments are "holy, just, good" and "the Law of Liberty" and a "delight", etc.

Y'know who finds them "grievous"? Those who are going to hell.

That is not what the scriptures says. Making things up as you go again?

 

[Phoneman777]

If you are Christ's Seed then you must abandon Moses and only follow CHRIST.

Deuteronomy 18:15-19
“And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.

Acts 3:22-24
For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’

Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days.

What days???
The Day of REST in CHRIST
and
The Day of Refreshing of the Holy Spirit

"TODAY, if you hear His Voice harden not your heart"

"So I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter My REST"

The Ten Commandments existed BEFORE Moses and will exist for all eternity.

You must abandon following what spirit says we can keep doing that which made necessary the ignominious death of my Jesus on the Cross.

 

[Phoneman777]

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That is not the choices. The scriptures are not Satan and they say I am not obligated to observe any Old Testament Law.

The choice is do you want to practice Judaism or be a Christian?

And are you silly enough to think you have an option to do both?

Considering what you have said so far I would say you have already been severed from Christ and have fallen from Grace.

Better check in at your local synagogue.

If you truly believe you're not obliged to obey "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me", then publicly state we may worship Satan and still go to heaven.

Waiting......

 

[Phoneman777]

Yes.
Israelites ARE children of God … by natural birth…believers of God, believers of Lord Jesus … or not.

Gentiles ARE NOT children of God…are not naturally born children of God.

God offers every individual can become a son of God….Gods People.

Glory to God,
Taken

Post 752 proves the church is Israel.

How can those who now occupy a sliver of land that once belonged to ancient Israel be "Israel" when the "Israel of God" are those who "walk according to this rule" of the "new creature in Christ Jesus"?

They HATE Christ Jesus.

 

[Phoneman777]

That is not what the scriptures says. Making things up as you go again?

I can prove what I've written 50 ways to Sunday - it's YOU who are twisting Scripture to condemn what God calls "holy, just, and good".

It's only a "ministry of death" to those who by obedience to them seek to obtain life...and are only grievous to those who don't love Jesus.

Why do you find the Ten Commandments so grievous?

 

[Taken]

Post 752 proves the church is Israel.

How can those who now occupy a sliver of land that once belonged to ancient Israel be "Israel" when the "Israel of God" are those who "walk according to this rule" of the "new creature in Christ Jesus"?

They HATE Christ Jesus.

The Land…agree, does not TODAY encompass what was promised to Abraham…however…God is not “DONE” yet.

This world Today and those “OF” the world as we might say … utterly insane … but lest we forget…God IS JUST…giving to each what their heart desires….and into order to fulfill a mans desire Against God….thus comes the reprobate mind and hardened heart…and we already know that will encompass Many!
Scary, Sad, Embarrassing and Creepy all at the same time….and really bizarre…they in your face celebrate their utter insanity.

God Bless you,
Taken

 

[Grailhunter]

If you truly believe you're not obliged to obey "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me", then publicly state we may worship Satan and still go to heaven.

Waiting......

Looney bin.....
I believe in…

God the Father…Yahweh…God Almighty…Creator of Heaven and Earth and Adam and Eve…..

God the Son…Yeshua…the Son of God…Messiah…Savior.

God the Holy Spirit…the unnamed God…helper…guide… teacher… strengthener….nurturer…..

Which two are you kicking out?

 

[Grailhunter]

I can prove what I've written 50 ways to Sunday - it's YOU who are twisting Scripture to condemn what God calls "holy, just, and good".

It's only a "ministry of death" to those who by obedience to them seek to obtain life...and are only grievous to those who don't love Jesus.

Why do you find the Ten Commandments so grievous?

What you believe in is make believe between your ears because you are making it up as you go.

You are only deceiving yourself.

 

[David in NJ]

The Ten Commandments existed BEFORE Moses and will exist for all eternity.

You must abandon following what spirit says we can keep doing that which made necessary the ignominious death of my Jesus on the Cross.

You must abandon questioning those who REST in the 7th Day = the Lord Jesus Christ.

I asked you numerous times to find the scripture in the Gospel where JESUS said "remember the sabbath to keep it holy".

Surely the LORD Jesus Christ would not FORGET to REMEMBER His Father's commandment.

 

[Grailhunter]

Christ warned about mixing Judaism and Christianity
Luke 5:36-39
36 He told them this parable: “No one tears a piece out of a new garment to patch an old one. Otherwise, they will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old. 37 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the new wine will burst the skins; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. 38 No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins. 39 And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for they say, ‘The old is better.’”

 

[David in NJ]

Christ warned about mixing Judaism and Christianity
Luke 5:36-39
36 He told them this parable: “No one tears a piece out of a new garment to patch an old one. Otherwise, they will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old. 37 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the new wine will burst the skins; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. 38 No, new wine must be poured into new wineskins. 39 And no one after drinking old wine wants the new, for they say, ‘The old is better.’”

Change your opening statement to: Christ warned about mixing the old law under Moses with the New Covenant in Christ.

TRUE Spiritual Judaism is CHRIST = Genesis 49:8-10 , Revelation 5:5 , Deut 33:7 ,

Judah, you are he whom your brothers shall praise;
Your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies;
Your father’s children shall bow down before you.
Judah is a lion’s whelp;
From the prey, my son, you have gone up.
He bows down, he lies down as a lion;
And as a lion, who shall rouse him?
The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
Nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
Until Shiloh comes;
And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.


And one of the elders says to me, "Do not weep.
Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has overcome to open the scroll and its seven seals."

And this he said of Judah:
“Hear, Lord, the voice of Judah,
And bring him to his people;
Let his hands be sufficient for him,
And may You be a help against his enemies.”

 

[Grailhunter]

Change your opening statement to: Christ warned about mixing the old law under Moses with the New Covenant in Christ.

TRUE Spiritual Judaism is CHRIST = Genesis 49:8-10 , Revelation 5:5 , Deut 33:7 ,

Judah, you are he whom your brothers shall praise;
Your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies;
Your father’s children shall bow down before you.
Judah is a lion’s whelp;
From the prey, my son, you have gone up.
He bows down, he lies down as a lion;
And as a lion, who shall rouse him?
The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
Nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
Until Shiloh comes;
And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.


And one of the elders says to me, "Do not weep.
Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has overcome to open the scroll and its seven seals."

And this he said of Judah:
“Hear, Lord, the voice of Judah,
And bring him to his people;
Let his hands be sufficient for him,
And may You be a help against his enemies.”

Well no….
When you get down to it is more that just the Law.
It is the culture that the Law created that was hard hearted and cruel. A culture that made it right to have multiple wives and fathers could sell their daughters as sex slaves. And kill women that were raped because they were damaged goods.
It was the spirit of the Law that made it a curse on the Israelite culture and ultimately damned their souls.
There is no part of that culture and no part of that spirit and no part of that religious outlook that we want in Christianity.
It was the Law that had no spiritual connection because the Law separate humans from God….one of the reasons that the veil ripped in two when Yeshua died on the cross…..Christ brought us together.
Christianity….the New Covenant was the first Covenant that brought humans and God together as adopted sons and daughters of God, the family of God and provided salvation.
Galatians 4:21 “Tell me, you who want to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?”

 

[David in NJ]

Well no….
When you get down to it is more that just the Law.
It is the culture that the Law created that was hard hearted and cruel. A culture that made it right to have multiple wives and fathers could sell their daughters as sex slaves. And kill women that were raped because they were damaged goods.
It was the spirit of the Law that made it a curse on the Israelite culture and ultimately damned their souls.
There is no part of that culture and no part of that spirit and no part of that religious outlook that we want in Christianity.
It was the Law that had no spiritual connection because the Law separate humans from God….one of the reasons that the veil ripped in two when Yeshua died on the cross…..Christ brought us together.
Christianity….the New Covenant was the first Covenant that brought humans and God together as adopted sons and daughters of God, the family of God and provided salvation.
Galatians 4:21 “Tell me, you who want to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?”

What you described is not True Judaism but religion that corrupted itself.

 

[Grailhunter]

What you described is not True Judaism but religion that corrupted itself.

A corruption of Judaism did occur.....but not as it was written...
The items I listed were Mosaic Laws, defined by God. God did not tell them to have multiple wives or sell their daughters into concubinage….the Mosaic Laws allowed it and regulated it.

Then on the other hand if you did not kill a woman that was raped then the same thing would happen to you…..no one hearing her scream.

Mosaic Law and Yahweh rules of war…..Kill all that breaths
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy them… Deuteronomy 20

34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them—men, women and children. We left no survivors. Deuteronomy 2

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him. 18 But all the women and children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31

None of this is anything you want to bring into Christianity, either by Law, or by Spirit, or by Nature….

 

[Grailhunter]

What you described is not True Judaism but religion that corrupted itself.

To keep things in perspective…..the Judaizers….those that want to mix Judaism with Christianity….they show up on occasion and it is not really dependant on any one Protestant denomination.

But mostly it is the same, they thump the Bible and proclaim they hold to the whole word of God and obey the commandments of God….But like I said before, it is mostly about getting attention because very very few actually know the 613 Mosaic Laws and how impossible it would be to keep them in our time. And like I said, none of it belongs in Christianity.

But that can sound like I do not like the Jews and that could not be more wrong. I love the Jews and Israel and I lived it. My mom’s side of the family lived in Clayton and University City in Missouri and those cities are full of Jews. I had Jews for neighbors and as friends as a kid and had Jewish friends all my life.

As a military person I have put myself between Israel and her enemies. I helped install and train the Patriot Missile Battery Systems in Israel and I worked with the Jewish technical people who wanted to improve that system….there version is called the Iron Shield.

And we let Saddam Insane know that we could completely remove his nation from the face of the earth in 25 minutes…..USS George C Marshall….and USS Ohio….SSBN Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarines.

I will tell you an interesting story….I landed on the USS Enterprise with Seal Team 6 and equipment bound for Israel. At the time of Desert Storm the Enterprise was fully loaded with nuclear weapons and President Bush ordered the Enterprise to take station off of Israel's coast….well the Enterprise went full steam ahead. The Enterprise was the only aircraft carrier to be powered with 8 nuclear reactors. It left its convey behind, it was hard to believe how fast that carrier could travel. At anytime we could of swatted Iran like a fly. And there was a good reason why we were standing between Israel and her enemies.

 

[BarneyFife]

Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy.

Luk 12:8
Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:
Luk 12:9
But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.
Luk 12:10
And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Exo 20:11
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 31:14
Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Luk 24:44
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Jhn 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Jhn 3:35
The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

Deu 5:14
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Mat 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Jesus came to do the work his Father sent him to do. What Jesus did in that day, no man can do.
No man could redeem us. No man could save us. No man could reconcile us to God, except his Son.

Remember THIS DAY to keep it HOLY. What day? The Day God sent his only begotten son into the world to save it.

Just as he sent the manna into the wilderness, God sent his son into the world.
Just as God gave them water in the wilderness, God sent his living water into the world.
Just as God saved them from Egypt, God sent his son to keep us from the evil of the world.

Jhn 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Jhn 17:6
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
Jhn 17:15
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Remember this day to keep it Holy unto the Lord thy God.
You shall do no work in it, because God's son has already done the work that was needed for man's salvation.
You can do NOTHING that Jesus hasn't already fulfilled for us.

Remember THIS DAY and keep it Holy unto the Lord.
Not lifting thine own hand, not putting your own tool to "improve" it.
Believe, have faith and trust in Him.

God gave us Jesus, His Sabbath, to rest in.

Remember this day.

Hugs

Zig, forgive me, but you seem to be intent on claiming that the Sabbath day is anything and everything except what it actually is.

There's not a word in this post that says Jesus is God's Sabbath until the end—where you simply declare that He is.

I don't understand it. I just don't understand it.

When I was a kid my Southern Baptist grandmother would allow no unnecessary work to be done on her large property on Sunday.

Even today, in almost any town in America with a population of a few hundred or more you can walk outside (if you even have to) at some point on a Sunday morning and hear church bells ringing.

Most people with jobs go to work on Monday morning with a different feeling than they have on any other day.

The reason all this happens is because God said: "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy."

He was referring to the weekly cycle He established in Genesis 1 & 2—He even says so.

Now the argument has gone from "Saturday vs. Sunday" to "Let's just ignore it and maybe it'll go away."

Jesus is not our Sabbath day. He is our Lord and Saviour.

And the Sabbath day that He mad for man to meet Him in a focused and devoted way is being called by many an idol instead of "a delight, The holy day of the Lord honorable," as "The mouth of the Lord has spoken" (Isaiah 58:13).

Hugs

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[Phoneman777]

Looney bin.....
I believe in…

God the Father…Yahweh…God Almighty…Creator of Heaven and Earth and Adam and Eve…..

God the Son…Yeshua…the Son of God…Messiah…Savior.

God the Holy Spirit…the unnamed God…helper…guide… teacher… strengthener….nurturer…..

Which two are you kicking out?

QUESTION: Does God:
(A) allow Christians to worship Satan
(B) command us to obey "thou shalt have no other gods before Me"?

TO SINCERE SEEKERS OF TRUTH:
The reason Antinomians won't answer (A) is because that's obviously not the case...but the reason they won't answer (B) is because that destroys the foundation of their false belief system.

They think they can straddle the theological fence, but as Neil Peart once said, "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice".

 

[David in NJ]

Does God allow Christians to worship Satan or are we obligated to obey "thou shalt have no other gods before Me"?

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”