Does it matter which version of the Bible you read?

[Randy Kluth]

I use the only version that doesn’t add erroneous things to God’s holy word. One example (of many):

The scripture cited is from Malachi and Isaiah (prophets).

The KJV has the correct reading here:

“As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.” (Mark 1:2-3, KJV)

The ESV (along with nearly all modern versions) has the incorrect reading:

“As it is written in Isaiah the prophet, “Behold, I send my messenger before your face, who will prepare your way, the voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight,’”” (Mark 1:2-3, ESV)

My NIV Bible says "Isaiah the prophet," but notes that manuscripts differ on the presence of "Son of God" in the preceding verse. I guess the majority of manuscripts have "the prophets" instead of "Isaiah the prophet."

As I noted, such things would not notably change any doctrine. Perhaps that is why there was less concern on the part of a copier to be perfectly precise? The translators would work with whatever manuscripts were available to them.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Some people love to bicker over differences.

Like a difference whether Jesus Christ is a liar or not?

Take a look.

In the KJV Jesus tells the truth:

“Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.” (John 7:8-10, KJV)

In the ESV (like most modern versions) he tells a flat out lie:

“You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come.” After saying this, he remained in Galilee. But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private.” (John 7:8-10, ESV)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

such things would not notably change any doctrine

It does change doctrine!

Wether or not the word of God is perfect and reliable!!

 

[MatthewG]

Like a difference whether Jesus Christ is a liar or not?

Take a look.

In the KJV Jesus tells the truth:

“Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.” (John 7:8-10, KJV)

In the ESV (like most modern versions) he tells a flat out lie:

“You go up to the feast. I am not going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come.” After saying this, he remained in Galilee. But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then he also went up, not publicly but in private.” (John 7:8-10, ESV)

None of those tidbits change anything that has been presented to me about the Lord Jesus Christ. I’m already affirmed in the death, burial, and resurrection and what the spirit produces in those who are Gods.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

None of those tidbits change anything

They DO make a difference!

Jesus told a lie in the modern translations based on trash manuscripts!

This is the problem with so called Christians today. They allow nonsense that makes the heathen mock the faith more easily.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

None of those tidbits change anything

It figures @mailmandan would “like” your post.

He’s a Bible critic himself…

 

[MatthewG]

They DO make a difference!

Jesus told a lie in the modern translations based on trash manuscripts!

This is the problem with so called Christians today. They allow nonsense that makes the heathen mock the faith more easily.

I don’t think he ever lied. He is the Son of God. Why would he lie? People suggest that Jesus lied about coming back…. To that generation.

It all comes down to the heart.

It figures @mailmandan would “like” your post.

He’s a Bible critic himself…

I don’t care if he likes my post or not. I’m just being straightforward, with no feelings or emotions involved. I’m not saying that the king James is a terrible version of the Bible, but it’s not word perfect either, I’m afraid.

Your only response would be to defend what you believe is right, wouldn’t it?

 

[Wrangler]

Yes it matters. For starters, some Bibles are translated with bias and agenda.

Like the best survival knife, the best Bible is the one you read when you need to read it.

It matters not the agenda if the editors. What matters is reading in the Spirit - no matter what translation.

I prefer thought translations, like CEV and NLT and VOICE. Literal translations are too clunky by today’s quick communication style.

Seldom do I delve into such esoteric minutia as what is the 3rd word of the 5th verse of the 3rd chapter of Book X. Reading in the Spirit is what matters.

 

[Wrangler]

I don’t think he ever lied. He is the Son of God. Why would he lie?

That’s a great topic for another thread. Why would anyone lie? And is it ever justifiable?

Jesus obviously lied in talking about ‘the temple’ but not referring to ‘the temple.’ His use of parables was for the express purpose to lie - hide his message to those who do not have ears to hear.

We must admit deception is an important tool in war and there is a spiritual war.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I don’t think he ever lied.

So you really think that saying you are not doing something and then turning around and doing it is not lying???

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Jesus obviously lied in talking about ‘the temple’ but not referring to ‘the temple.

Baloney!

He was speaking about spiritual things that the carnal people couldn’t understand.

That’s not lying.

What nonsense!

 

[MatthewG]

So you really think that saying you are not doing something and then turning around and doing it is not lying???

Yeah I have had trouble with that verse in the past, but Jesus wasn’t going just yet. He may have some other business before going up there, and he decided to do it privately. I don’t see it as a Omg! Throw that Bible away!


Why do you care so much and have so much passion ? Could explain that to me?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Yeah I have had trouble with that verse in the past

And you would’ve never had that trouble if you were reading the correct translation:

THE KING JAMES BIBLE!!!

 

[MatthewG]

I ain’t never read a Bible verse that says “you must only use King James Version, all other versions are a heretical lie!” @Michiah-Imla you gotta let some leeway in.

 

[MatthewG]

And you would’ve never had that trouble if you were reading the correct translation:

THE KING JAMES BIBLE!!!

It’s not a perfectly worded Bible. But you can continue to promote the one you love and hold dear to you heart. I just think it makes you look like a person who is stiffed necked. And don’t allow for others to decide for themselves what to use.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I ain’t never read a Bible verse that says “you must only use King James Version,

“Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.” (Jeremiah 6:16, KJV)

 

[Wrangler]

Baloney!

He was speaking about spiritual things that the carnal people couldn’t understand.

That’s not lying.

What nonsense!

That's a big time rationalization there. "The temple" was not a spiritual thing but a physical thing; just not the same physical thing it meant the other 400 times in Scripture "the temple" was used to refer to a non-spiritual thing but a physical thing.

 

[Wrangler]

So you really think that saying you are not doing something and then turning around and doing it is not lying???

What are you referring to? And are you saying Jesus lied after taking me to task for admitting it?

 

[MatthewG]

“Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.” (Jeremiah 6:16, KJV)

That’s just a quote from the Bible. Anyone can do that. All the best to you, it’s pointless to argue about. I don’t care what you use.

”“Come to me all of you who are tired from the heavy burden you have been forced to carry. I will give you rest. Accept my teaching. Learn from me. I am gentle and humble in spirit. And you will be able to get some rest. Yes, the teaching that I ask you to accept is easy. The load I give you to carry is light.”“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭28‬-‭30‬ ‭ERV‬‬

 

[Randy Kluth]

It does change doctrine!

Wether or not the word of God is perfect and reliable!!

We disagree that the minuscule changes you described significantly impacts doctrine. Where is your evidence that it did? There is no way to determine "perfectly" the original autographs of the New Testament! The evidence for copyist errors are super-abundant. Truth does not depend upon this kind of precision. It's never a good idea to focus your faith on a single reference regardless.