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Wick Stick

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Angels are neither male nor female. They are spiritual.
You're re-asserting the same point without offering any evidence whatsoever.

There are several types of angels. Some are ministering spirits. Are you quite sure that some of them aren't physical, corporeal beings? You haven't even ruled that out...

And you won't be able to, because not all angels are just spirits.
 

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I'm not disputing any of that, and it's why I said 'maybe you do think of trees as male and/or female. It's not wrong to do so, because of course there are differences. Just as there are different "attributes" of male and/or female.... things 'attributed' to one or the other, or one and not the other. But those physical distinctions are merely representative of spiritual distinctions. In the beginning male and female.... later male or female, as they were once together, then separated.
It isn't just the 'attributes' though it is the different hormones that men and women different.
 

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You're re-asserting the same point without offering any evidence whatsoever.

There are several types of angels. Some are ministering spirits. Are you quite sure that some of them aren't physical, corporeal beings? You haven't even ruled that out...

And you won't be able to, because not all angels are just spirits.

Show me in scripture where angels are anything but spirit.
 

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It isn't just the 'attributes' though it is the different hormones that men and women different.

Perhaps you missed my point. Yes, physically and obviously in the physical sense, men and women are different.

In the spiritual sense - angels are spirit. They are not male or female, but express masculine or feminine attributes as they might— just the way a man can be compassionate without becoming feminine or a woman can be assertive or forceful without becoming masculine. These are but expressions.
 

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Thank you for everyone whom had taken time to reply. It was nice to read some of your dialogue with me and others, may God guide each and all of us to continue to seek and trust him, even over topics or discussions that we get into, lets not become to heated, in debate and just be honest and straightforward it makes things go a whole lot further when we connect and take time to consider what the other person may be saying. There are a lot of people out there with insights to consider, but it's our own responsibility to go and test whatever may have been said, see, think, even directing oneself to the word of God, and saying to oneself, in prayer with the Father, "What is it you are trying to teach me in all of this," and you test all things and hold on to what is good. Let go all of the bad, be it traditions you have gotten into, or what an organization may tell you what you need to do in order to be saved with God. It's always by and through faith, in the death, burial, and resurrection (Sealed deal) ; further, ascension and return.

Because of your faith that God has raised Christ up from the dead, in order for all peoples sins to be taken care for! Jump for joy, because it was for everyone! The main problem with us human beings is we like to battle with our flesh against other flesh, about if this doctrine is right or if that doctrine is right. In the end it will be what was in your heart. Did you make the choice to not fight flesh vs flesh, and let love prevail, by and through the spirit in letting go? All people are more than just our flesh, and more than just people who create and think of ideas, we are creations created in the image of God, and we were created to work, and do things and the greatest work one can do willingly - in regards to God himself obtaining all the credit done in and through you, as you allow him to work in and through asking help by and through the holy spirit, is the will of God, which always equates to never cease to pray, bring supplications and troubles to your Father daily, asking him to help you by the spirit, and even help you to stay and stick to a good habit of getting into your bible and reading it once in while for healthy spiritual support, and knowledge and wisdom which all comes through Jesus Christ, including him being our sanctification where we lay our old way of life in the grave with the Lord, and we raise up in newness of life, which is given by and through the spirit, who gives it to anyone willingly ready to receive it.​

You may not hoop and holler around, but if you have faith, you will perhaps make the decision to talk to your Father more, to me Yahavah, calling out his name which he desires for all to know (some use Jehovah, Yahweh), pray and call out ask him to help you, in your distress, but not only you, pray for everyone that you know, presidents, police officers, all the people on the streets on the road, just everyone you know personally, ask God to intervene and speak and get them to pay him some attention, all the while being good to your enemies which pours hot coals on their head. It's important over all to learn from the Lord Jesus Christ, and make your decisions if you desire to follow him and have newness of life with relationship with God, who is near, and hears you, as long as our prayers are not on the mindful things which target selfishness, or gain, or worldly pleasures, rather than the spiritual, as a man will not receive anything concerning those things.

All the best to each and everyone of your families. Been growing perhaps a little more lately, and I thank you for everyone who has been here in the process to continue to help me with the growth from your seeds and waters, God does give the increases and leads us to becoming more like his son, who is gentle, and burden is light, and gives us rest, from our toiling troubles of the world itself. With groanings of the holy spirit, which we don't know what to pray for but perhaps some relief.​
 
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“For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.” (1 Corinthians 11:7, KJV)
but the woman is the glory of the man

Just an opinion. If we’d truly considered: Gods’ strength is made (created) perfect in weakness. we might reconsider how we present the woman as the glory of the man.

Paul wrote to the Corinthians ‘For we are glad, when we are weak, and you are strong: and this also we wish, even your perfection.’ 2 Corinthians 13:9
 
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Show me in scripture where angels are anything but spirit.
Genesis 18. Abraham prepares the angels a meal and they eat it.

Your turn. Show me in scripture where angels are genderless.
 

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Genesis 18. Abraham prepares the angels a meal and they eat it.

Your turn. Show me in scripture where angels are genderless.
Angels and Jesus are extradimensional, able to transcend from the spiritual dimension into the physical and take on human form while they are here.
Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels. Heb.13:2
So unless they appeared descending from heaven in a brilliant light, we couldn't distinguish them from a ordinary man.
Jacob wrestled with the Lord. Initially he didn't know. ( Gen. 32:24-30). This is called a Christophany.
It us interesting also to me tion that when Jesus appeared in the upper room, he dematerialized as if passing through walls. He also met them in the Dea of Galilee, 70 miles away. Do you think He walked there? No. AndnHe ate with them. He went in and out if the spiritual realm. He ascended into Heaven for the visual effect _ for our benefit _ but He could have just disappeared. He did disappear after he was too far away ti see him. Obviously He didn't keep going past the moon, the sun and to galaxies. He went into the spiritual realm, transforming back into a spiritual body.
We will have bodies like His. So the question is in heaven, since it is a different dimension, does it also have physical properties? Yes. You could hug someone as you can here, walk ... who knows ... go swimming in your Paradise dream pool with the waterfall like in Hawaii. My take is that Heaven looks very much like earth - only perfect.
 
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Genesis 18. Abraham prepares the angels a meal and they eat it.

Your turn. Show me in scripture where angels are genderless.

Sorry, maybe you don't understand that angels are spiritual beings? They are spirit, not physical.

Abraham looked up and saw three men. Here's your dilemma. Is God a man? Or is God spirit?

If God became a man and appeared to Abraham with two angels, who also became men.... that kind of makes the whole Jesus scene a little unnecessary and over-played. I mean, if God, or angels can simply abracadabra and become men, then why trouble young Mary?

Here's the deal-- I'll let you reckon with it. Abraham sees and interacts and shares a meal with three men. They are actual men, who are indwelled with the Holy Spirit and divinity, kind of the way things happened with Peter, James and John on the Mountain with Jesus, Moses and Elijah.... where Peter says without understanding--- Lord, I could put up three tents for y'all.... The men are the tents. The men themselves are the shelters for these spiritual beings.

Do not neglect hospitality because through it some have entertained angels without knowing it. (Heb 13)

To your second point-- I don't think I've ever said that angels are genderless. They are from a realm where gender is an expression of what we consider attributes- and they are male and female in nature, just as all humankind was originally created-- in their likeness. (Gen 1:26)
 

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Angels and Jesus are extradimensional, able to transcend from the spiritual dimension into the physical and take on human form while they are here.
That definitely isn't in the Bible.

Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels. Heb.13:2
So unless they appeared descending from heaven in a brilliant light, we couldn't distinguish them from a ordinary man.
That would seem to indicate that the DO have a gender.

Jacob wrestled with the Lord. Initially he didn't know. ( Gen. 32:24-30). This is called a Christophany.
It us interesting also to me tion that when Jesus appeared in the upper room, he dematerialized as if passing through walls. He also met them in the Dea of Galilee, 70 miles away. Do you think He walked there? No. And He ate with them. He went in and out if the spiritual realm. He ascended into Heaven for the visual effect _ for our benefit _ but He could have just disappeared. He did disappear after he was too far away ti see him. Obviously He didn't keep going past the moon, the sun and to galaxies. He went into the spiritual realm, transforming back into a spiritual body.
You're extrapolating... hypothesizing... your ideas aren't crazy, but they also aren't actually in the Bible.

We will have bodies like His.
That IS Biblical.

So the question is in heaven, since it is a different dimension, does it also have physical properties? Yes. You could hug someone as you can here, walk ... who knows ... go swimming in your Paradise dream pool with the waterfall like in Hawaii. My take is that Heaven looks very much like earth - only perfect.
The Bible nowhere says that heaven is a DIFFERENT DIMENSION. It says the opposite...

The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
 

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It is generally accepted that one of the 'men' was God in human form - Jesus.

Absolutely not. Jesus was a baby born some 2000 years ago in Bethlehem. He grew to become a man who lived his life in Galilee and who was crucified on a cross and died at Golgatha. He was laid in a tomb and after being dead for three days he was raised again to life.

Happy Easter.
 

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That's a theory. SDA believers and JW's would tell you that it was the Angel Michael.... and that Jesus too, was actually Michael.

Genesis 18:1-2​

The Three Visitors​

The Lord appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. 2 Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.
 

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I don't think I've ever said that angels are genderless.
Yes, yes you did...
Angels are neither male nor female.


Sorry, maybe you don't understand that angels are spiritual beings? They are spirit, not physical.
This is not always true. There are several examples of angels doing things that are physical. I've already given you one example - eating.

They are from a realm where gender is an expression of what we consider attributes- and they are male and female in nature, just as all humankind was originally created-- in their likeness. (Gen 1:26)
No, no no. People were created in GOD'S image - not the likeness of angels.
 

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It is generally accepted that one of the 'men' was God in human form - Jesus.
That's a reasonable hypothesis based on the text. I wouldn't say it's generally accepted.

But what about the other 2? The answer is in the first verse of the next chapter:

Gen 19:1 Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening...
 

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Yes, yes you did...




This is not always true. There are several examples of angels doing things that are physical. I've already given you one example - eating.


No, no no. People were created in GOD'S image - not the likeness of angels.

No, no I didn't. I said they are male and female, not one or the other. They can express both masculine and feminine attributes, but that's not all.... they also express animal attributes-- and we see this throughout scripture.

If I show you a grey swatch and tell you that it's neither black nor white..... does that help you understand?

Angels are messengers. Angels are spirit. If a messenger comes to a man and he delivers that message (from God) that man is sometimes referred to as a prophet-- speaking the word of God that has come to him (or her) through the spirit (angel) messenger. The prophet (spokesperson) certainly eats and drinks and do things that are physical, because they are physical. They are human. The spirit within them is the messenger, with the message-- and that spirit within them is the angel.

Elohim created humans.