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[Wrangler]

Could God have been allowing Moses to decide their fate?

I don’t think so. God shares his glory with no one. Instead, I think it demonstrates a reason to pray.

In the mundane, you pray or ask someone for something. There’d be no point in asking your parents if you could do something if they said no to every request.

 

[marks]

God knows EVERYTHING, past, present and future!

Psalm 147:5
5 Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding is infinite.

Every thought ever thought or will be. Everything ever done or will be done!

Isaiah 46:9-10 LITV
9) Remember former things from forever, for I am God, and no one else is God, even none like Me,
10) declaring the end from the beginning, and from the past those things which were not done, saying, My counsel shall rise; and, I will do all My desire;

Amen!!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Could God have been allowing Moses to decide their fate? If Moses had not pleaded then it would be done away with because God thought Moses agreed it should be done?

Of course a case also can be made for Abraham pleading for the righteous in Sodom.....View attachment 44000

Or could a case be made for God honoring the pleadings of His people?

I think God was allowing them to share in the process, so they could see God better.

It's like here,

2 Corinthians 3:18 LITV
But we all with our face having been unveiled, having beheld the glory of the Lord in a mirror, are being changed into the same image from glory to glory, as from the Lord Spirit.

"in a mirror" that is, reflected by us. Participating in God's work changes us.

Much love!

 

[APAK]

APAK, consider Daniel's approach while being in the service of King Nebuchadnezzar? What practices is it supposed Nebuchadnezzar engaged for Daniel to politely asked him to let up on his sins?

.....and another, what practices do we think the Roman soldiers were guilty of and willingly engaged in the process of crucifixion? Did Jesus mouth his disgust at their behaviour?

Is it forgotten whose children we claim to be.....and do we suppose God behaves as a Devil would?

QT: Completely disagree with you here...

I think you are barking up the wrong tree here....Christ would have overturned the table in a heartbeat and scatted the demons. You are too compromising in this situation, of seeing a truly devilish and despicable act being performed in from of you, of a couple of saints and even others in close proximity.

There is no compromise in this situation or scenario as this is not what you call a 'love your neighbor as yourself' moment. This is showing hate of evil and truly demonic activity displayed, in my eyes.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Eunuchs who come to Christ are accepted by Him and not condemned.

Eunuchs did not engage in sex at all so they were not being perverse.

Anyone who comes to Christ regardless of "sexual orientation" needs to stop sinning and add to their faith virtue.

That right there is exactly why most of the gay and transgender people will refuse to accept Jesus.

What they do is go find "ministers" that teach the Lord accepts them along with their sin which usually consists of telling them it was actually God that made them they way and He actually celebrates their sexual perversion.

In other words religious demons are out there teaching people they can live in sin and be right with the Lord.

satan has been busy, Dan!

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

There's no doubt about that, he knows his time is short

 

[St. SteVen]

Have a friend whose sister... ( married).. was having problems 4 or 5 years ago.

Long story short she started to go clubbing with her adult daughter and "meeting" men.

She started to see one on a regular basis and they talked a lot about her problems.
I have no idea if "sex" was on the table at that time but this man told her that God wanted her to be happy... yada yada. And at some point this Roman Catholic thought she wanted a divorce..... ( hubby said no)

Well my friend was talking to her sister about the situation and God and the sister kept saying God wanted her to be happy... And my friend said not the way she was going about it it was wrong and sinful... and her sister told her she was wrong because that was the "old" God ....

The man had her convinced God had changed.

Is that your proof that God never changes?

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[quietthinker]

QT: Completely disagree with you here...

I think you are barking up the wrong tree here....Christ would have overturned the table in a heartbeat and scatted the demons. You are too compromising in this situation, of seeing a truly devilish and despicable act being performed in from of you, of a couple of saints and even others in close proximity.

There is no compromise in this situation or scenario as this is not what you call a 'love your neighbor as yourself' moment. This is showing hate of evil and truly demonic activity displayed, in my eyes.

Does God hate Adam because he ate of the tree? Does God hate Cain because he murdered his brother? Does God hate the individual because he chooses or acts out of his dysfunction?
'for God so loved the World......'

Can you separate the dysfunction from the dysfunctional?

 

[Jack]

Psalm 11:5 The wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.

 

[quietthinker]

Psalm 11:5 The wicked and the one who loves violence His soul hates.

Don't you love the fact that you believe God is violent towards those who you say he is going to burn forever......and by extension, you also love the idea of deliberately burning the sinner?.....isn't that violence?

 

[Jack]

Don't you love the fact that you believe God is violent towards those who you say he is going to burn forever......

If I did I wouldn't spend so much time trying to pull people out of the everlasting fire that Jesus warned us about. Your question clearly implies a lie!

and by extension, you also love the idea of deliberately burning the sinner?.....isn't that violence?

Another implied lie! I seriously doubt that you believe Jesus is God and Hell Fire is everlasting.

How about this? Do you believe God HATED Esau?

Romans 9:11-13
11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."

 

[quietthinker]

If I did I wouldn't spend so much time trying to pull people out of the everlasting fire that Jesus warned us about. Your question clearly implies a lie!

Another implied lie! I seriously doubt that you believe Jesus is God and Hell Fire is everlasting.

How about this? Do you believe God HATED Esau?

Romans 9:11-13
11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."

Go and check out what the word 'hated' was translated from

 

[Jack]

Go and check out what the word 'hated' was translated from

Are you saying you know more about the Bible languages than those who translated our many English Bibles?

 

[APAK]

Don't you love the fact that you believe God is violent towards those who you say he is going to burn forever......and by extension, you also love the idea of deliberately burning the sinner?

Well, I think you are wandering off topic a bit and being a little ingenuous. You have to know that this act of two gays kissing without shame or of any consequence is not something committed solely by the flesh without evil influence. You know that what I reacted to and explained clearly, is deserving of hate as a believer in Christ towards them. I really should not have to explain this to you, especially when you have not yet seen or even considered my point even now with this 2nd posting.

The scenario and scene that Jack proposed to me is not even close to your examples you now keeping firing off. And besides you are not considering context in any of the examples you mention. I think this is vitally important.

There's a huge diff between demonic influence of spiritual warfare as I see two gays kissing in front of my wife and I in full view in a public forum. This is not a sin of JUST the flesh, it is spiritual in nature and an abomination to God...imo. and scripture..

I'm very strongly swayed this way. I believe you do not see it as so and would always accommodate such acts, immediately even in the midst of demons. I sense the Spirit is speaking to me in this situation and they won't be words of forgivenness and compromise in the least.
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I really think you persist with your inquiry because you do not see the evil in this act. It is much worse than a murder committed out of emotion or revenge that I can forgive of course.

 

[quietthinker]

Well, I think you are wandering off topic a bit and being a little ingenuous. You have to know that this act of two gays kissing without shame or of any consequence is not something committed solely by the flesh without evil influence. You know that what I reacted to and explained clearly, is deserving of hate as a believer in Christ towards them. I really should not have to explain this to you, especially when you have not yet seen or even considered my point even now with this 2nd posting.

The scenario and scene that Jack proposed to me is not even close to your examples you now keeping firing off. And besides you are not considering context in any of the examples you mention. I think this is vitally important.

There's a huge diff between demonic influence of spiritual warfare as I see two gays kissing in front of my wife and I in full view in a public forum. This is not a sin of JUST the flesh, it is spiritual in nature and an abomination to God...imo. and scripture..

I'm very strongly swayed this way. I believe you do not see it as so and would always accommodate such acts, immediately even in the midst of demons. I sense the Spirit is speaking to me in this situation and they won't be words of forgivenness and compromise in the least.
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I really think you persist with your inquiry because you do not see the evil in this act. It is much worse than a murder committed out of emotion or revenge that I can forgive of course.

I understand how you see things APAK; you have made it clear through many of your posts.

I see a God of long-suffering who loves. I see a God as revealed in Jesus. I see a God who does not reflect the violence men consider justice.

 

[Jack]

I understand how you see things APAK; you have made it clear through many of your posts.

I see a God of long-suffering who loves. I see a God as revealed in Jesus. I see a God who does not reflect the violence men consider justice.

Did God love those He drowned in the Genesis Flood, "Making them an example"? Did God love those in Sodom that He burned alive "Making them an example"? Does God love those who will burn in Hell "forever and ever"?

 

[Lizbeth]

I understand how you see things APAK; you have made it clear through many of your posts.

I see a God of long-suffering who loves. I see a God as revealed in Jesus. I see a God who does not reflect the violence men consider justice.

Rebuke is not violence. Speaking truth to your neighbour....is not violence. Our weapons are not carnal. However, was the flood that God sent violent? How about all the "judgments" that He regularly sends to a world that is under His wrath already? Sickness, disease, famines, earthquakes, kingdoms falling, wars etc.

 

[quietthinker]

Did God love those He drowned in the Genesis Flood? Did God love those in Sodom that He burned alive? Does God love those who will burn in Hell "forever and ever"?

Does God love those who deliberately misrepresent him?.......and that this unfathomable love is unbearable to them?
I doubt you understand the connections I'm making in saying these things Jack.

Saul of Tarsus also had a particular image of how God is and behaves.....and his attitude and behaviour reflected it....until he met Jesus.

 

[St. SteVen]

Rebuke is not violence. Speaking truth to your neighbour....is not violence. Our weapons are not carnal. However, was the flood that God sent violent? How about all the "judgments" that He regularly sends to a world that is under His wrath already? Sickness, disease, famines, earthquakes, kingdoms falling, wars etc.

Wow. You blaming that on God?

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[quietthinker]

Rebuke is not violence. Speaking truth to your neighbour....is not violence. Our weapons are not carnal. However, was the flood that God sent violent? How about all the "judgments" that He regularly sends to a world that is under His wrath already? Sickness, disease, famines, earthquakes, kingdoms falling, wars etc.

Is God violent is the question. Does God behave the way many OT scriptures ascribe to him?
I would say we (men) have superimposed our/ their sense of justice onto God. It has bent our understanding of God out of shape. We (men) have formulated convoluted views that God requires paying before he will forgive. We have misunderstood God's nature. We have believed the picture that Satan has painted of God.

I see Jesus as God's final word on these matters, in fact the voice on the Mt of Transfiguration tells us to listen to Jesus for that reason.
It has become clear to me that the OT writers made assumptions about God's character that were inaccurate....just as Adam and Eve assumed God was angry with them and subsequently went into hiding. Their assumption was wrong.

 

[Jack]

Does God love those who deliberately misrepresent him?.......and that this unfathomable love is unbearable to them?
I doubt you understand the connections I'm making in saying these things Jack.

Saul of Tarsus also had a particular image of how God is and behaves.....and his attitude and behaviour reflected it....until he met Jesus.

I do understand. You TOTALLY evaded my questions.

Did God love those He drowned in the Genesis Flood? Did God love those in Sodom that He burned alive? Does God love those who will burn in Hell "forever and ever"?