Randy Kluth
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If that's all you're saying, we agree. The Antichrist is revealed, but is also *destroyed* at the Coming of Christ. You skip over the "destroyed" part!Nope
I am saying what is written.
It says the AC is revealed before the rapture.
That is what it says.
I am saying the exact same thing.
So you hit all around that fact but miss.
As I told you, they are different stories. The analogy of the Flood and Sodom's destruction are being confused with Christ's Coming by you. Obviously, they are different stories and cannot be compared in their historical details. But the point of the comparison is explicity to show the bad moral condition of the world prior to major judgment and to the need for the saints to continue living in righteousness in order to be distinguished from the objects of this judgment.QUOTE
""You confuse symbolic scenes with real history. You confuse one example with another example, and miss the entire point.""
JESUS used them side by side.
Nobody is saying they are not 2 different stories.
But play it out
Which one of the "before judgement" analogies DO we not watch and be ready for what is written???
Hello..it is written AT HIS COMING ( show me your method for changing what is written).
Instead of seeing this point of the comparison you compare details that are relevant only to the historical context of each story. In trying to make them compare you misuse the proper comparison to extend well beyond the intended purpose of the comparison.
As I said, the gathering of Lot's family and the gathering of Noah's family prior to judgment is relative to their own stories, and each group was distinguished from the judgment against the wicked in different ways. Lot's family was called out of the city before judgment fell. Noah's family was called in the ark before the rain came down.
But in the example of Christ's Coming, the saints are gathered *at* the Coming of Christ. The object was not to find unity in the precise *circumstances* of how each group was delivered, but rather, to show that in each context, the righteous were distinguished from the wicked and excluded as objects of judgment. But you make it all about the time and circumstance of each story, which was not the obvious purpose of the comparison.
Christ gathers the saints *at* his Coming. The Olivet Discourse says this, and 2 Thes 2 says this, in the most explicit fashion. Therefore, the comparison made with the Flood and with Sodom's destruction only concerned the fact that the saints will be distinguished and delivered from judgment. That is the point of comparison. Being delivered *at* the Coming of Christ is, in fact, Postrib!Even though it says prejudgement coming, and NEITHER ARE Gathered post judgement, you insist Noah and lot are POSTJUDGEMENT dynamics.
It is a fact, that you are REFRAMING both into postjudgement dynamics.
....as opposed to the bible.