As has every one of us who have been saved. And God is willing to save ALL who CHOOSE to believe and repent.
Avoiding : The Cults.. #2 : CALVINISM -"TULIP"
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As has every one of us who have been saved. And God is willing to save ALL who CHOOSE to believe and repent.
Eternally Grateful
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Ronald Nolette
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This kind of lying theology is the result of a false assumption and then building on that assumption.
Your glaring error is that God never ordains anyone to hell! All are condemned by nature. Everyone born is born condemned to the lake of fire. god has pre chosen to take some of those already lost and save them.
God does not cause anyone to not believe. We do not believe by nature. As Paul wrote in romans those in the human nature cannot please God and in Corinthians he wrote that the things of God are foolishness to the perishing. So you are wrong again in your false assumption. People disbelieve naturally.
What you are railing against is a straw man of your making and beating on that.
amigo de christo
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a big FAT FACT . too many are under the influence of mysticism . believing to hear from GOD
and yet GOOD NIGHT they deny , outright deny GOD , CHRIST.
Letters like this or that , yeah i seen lots of junk too when i was , cough cough , UNDER THE INFLUENCE
of another spirit , or shall i say spirits . a lot of folks be smoking on the wrong pipe my friend .
Visions are real , but so are false visions . just as there are true miracles and true testimony
there are miracles and experiences that come of a spirit of divination too .
folks better watch out and test all . for if even an angel , THAT DO SAY ANGEL
if even we , PAUL SAID EVEN WE ourselves , preach ANY OTHER GOSPEL
unto you than the ONE YOU HAD ORIGINALLY RECIEVED , let them be accursed .
too many are fast falling for another gospel , another jesus , another god
and believe you me their version is CONTRADICTING the ORIGINAL found in the bible . BIG TIME TOO .
the only simliarity it has , is it reminds about doing good works , feeding the poor .
BUT tell me , tell me my friend . What do it matter if a man gave all to the poor
and yet had NOT charity . CHARITY REJOICES ONLY IN THE TRUTH , not in another gospel . JUST IN THE TRUTH .
amigo de christo
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no man by THE SPIRIT calleth JESUS accursed . YET EVERY OTHER RELIGOIN as do a atheist DO JUST THAT .
So you wanna tell me why all of a sudden the reminders OF JESUS and of the apostels themselves
about the absolute dire need to BELEIVE ON HIM , is now being replaced with a fake butt love that wont save squat .
THis generation , including christendom would attack even JESUS if he came in as a man unto their churches .
THAT IS A FACT . now weep , as i weep .
IF paul and other apostels were to walk into many a church of today
THEY WOULD BE DRIVEN out , cast out as haters of GOD . This gen has been duped .
THEY WOULD tell EvEN CHRIST, YA DONT KNOW JESUS , YA DONT KNOW LOVE .
this is a fact my dear friend and one that is only gonna get worse with whatever time this world even has left .........
Move over seven up , ITS BIBLE UP , its time for all to return to that book and do them some heavy drinking from it .
As with seven up , its motto was CAFFEINE , never had it never will
SO TOO with the bible , LEAVEN , never had it never will . ITS TIME FOLKS SUPPED and drank from the GOD INSPIRED
words left to us in them pages . MANY aint gonna make it . weep , go ahead and weep for them as i do
but GET THEM INTO THE BIBLE . DO whatever it takes , remind daily , remind daily .
amigo de christo
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CHOOSE YE THIS DAY . For if one choose not JESUS THE CHRIST , well it wont have mattered what they did or thought they did .
IT WONT be saving them . now this is a fact .
SO is this . FOLKS better KNOW what JESUS they follow .
cause THE JESUS , the actual CHRIST JESUS , he aint holding up dark rainbows and korans
and etc and saying OH GOD IS LOVE it dont matter what religoin ye believe , just lovey do .
THAT AINT JESUS THE CHRIST at all . this be a fact .
JESUS didnt honor sin . Their jesus DOES . and that is a fact
and worse of all their jesus , their god that everyone seems to be running too from all areas
LOVETH THE GREATEST SIN OF ALL , UNBELEIF . we gotty problems in the house sister .
Dear TLHKAJ,
And as God's Word proclaims, Christ will cause everyone to believe and confess that Jesus is Lord:
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Joe
amigo de christo
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he who follows calivin is as a man
who goes into the restroom and stands upon the toilet to pee .
that man is HIGH on POT . never once follow that man . nor the popes , nor many others
even within the prostetant realm of today . BIBLE UP and remain in them pages .
GOD is with and shall be with the lambs . and the lambs GONNA warn and persaude men . correct all error
and not allow a false one to seduce . time to expose and not allow false ones to teach and to seduce the people .
cause with that GOD WAS NOT WELL PLEASED as we read what HE TOLD a church that allowed such a one to teach
and to seduce the people . ITS all getting exposed on my watch . and the more i love the more i be hated .
but so be it , They can do as they do against me and no matter what they be allowed to do
if even i be in prison , STILL MY GOD SHALL BE WITH ME . Just as HE was with all saints through all generations .
CHOOSE YE THIS DAY and make thy head as flint , stand firm and quit ye like men . WE IN A WAR
and in this war there are but two ends . THE LAKE OF FIRE , OR FOREVER WITH JESUS , WITH GOD who has saved .
THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND . there is no two plans of salvation
THERE IS no other plan , no other name by which men can be saved . AND IF JESUS SAID WHAT HE SAID
about the dire need to BELEIVE ON HIM
about WHO was condmened and why . WELL WE BETTER USE HIS WORDS is all i can say . OFFER UP NO FALSE LOVE
no false hope , no false path , no false mindset , WE MUST PREACH THE DIRE and ABSOLUTE NEED
to believe on JESUS THE CHRIST and all things HE taught we must remind and teach too . as did the apostles .
BlessedPeace
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amigo de christo
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that is THE DESIRE of GOD . but believe you me , AS MUCH as GOD DESIRED LIFE
and not death , many are gonna CHOOSE unto their own desruction THE SECOND DEATH upon themselves .
AND it will be worse for them than ever it was for even sodom .
IT will be far worse .
FOR if under the law a man could be put to death , by two or three witnesses
HOW MUCH WORSE awaits THOSE WHO TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT .
death , they could be put to death under the law
BUT SOMETHING far worse than death itself awaits those who trod JESUS UNDER FOOT .
TIS COMMONLY CALLED THE SECOND DEATH in the lake that burns with fierce heat
where the worms dies not and the fire is not quenched . LETS NOT OFFER UP FALSE HOPE .
LETS OFFER UP THE REAL GOSPEL that DO SAVE . cause JESUS DO SAVE .
Dear amigo de christo,
It is not only the desire of God to save all mankind, it is also is "will".
But even if the salvation of all mankind is only a "desire", God will have that desire because He is God and not like mankind who frequently comes up short of their desires.
Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? And what his soul desireth, that will he do.
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.
Here is Christ's "will" for mankind:
2Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.
1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
If Christ is not willing that any should perish (the true penalty of sin), then no one is going to perish.
Where is your faith to believe Christ? Do you actually have any?
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
Do you really believe that Christ will fail in the mission His Father gave Him?
1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Cor 13:8 Love never fails;
You need to stop thinking of God as being like mankind. God is God and He will accomplish EVERYTHING that He has said He will do. No one or anything can stop Him:
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Joe
amigo de christo
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How will a man truly know if what calivn , luther , the popes or anyone that speaks , IS SPEAKING THE TRUTH .
For many men even within the early reformation
never brought the peoples back to the true faith . SOME DID . but most
simply taught yet another PICK N CHOOSE mindset .
THERE IS a way to know . and its in a book commonly called the bible .
WHY did the early church put such an emphasis on the scriptures as well as their own letters .
lets look again at what paul tells timothy in his letter .
lets look again at what peter wrote to the church about scriptures and even his own letters as well as the letters of even paul .
WHEN paul told timothy to stir thyself up . WHAT YOU THINK , and what is a heck of a good way to REMIND US
to STIR US UP .
well lets look at what peter wrote concerning EVEN THE LETTERS of the apostels .
You gonna see something that most wont say any longer and if they do
they will say BUT COME YE AND LEARN IT THROUGH OUR SCHOLARS and OUR GREEK as they TWIST IT
unto their own destruction by means of their so called greek . I love every one .
though i highly doubt ANYONE beleives that . or i should say very few believe that .
Know this . the next time one accuses me of pointing to myself
TRY TO REMEMBER , I DID NOT INSPIRE THE BIBLE . BUT IT BE THE BOOK i am doing all i can to GET FOLKS BACK INTO
for themselves . I mean do you really THINK i was there with abraham
long ago . DID i write the bible . DID I INSPIRE the BIBLE .
SO HOW THE HELL can it be PRIDE AND SELF i point too , WHEN I POINT ONLY TO GETTING FOLKS BACK INTO THE BIBLE .
now do ponder on that for a while . I NEVER said HEY EVERYONE COME CHECK OUT MY WRITINGS
HEY EVERYONE COME CHECK OUT MY BOOKS .
I SAID GET IN THE BIBLE . SO HOW on earth is that POINTING TO ME . IT AINT . UNLESS folks are
dumb enough to THINK I INSPIRED AND I WROTE IT . NOW IF ANYONE THINKS THAT
DARN , i dont know what i can say to ya . CAUSE I DIDNT INSPIRE it . BUT GOD DID .
HIS OWN WORDS BE IN THAT BOOK . you all be blessed . amigo out . i aint the hater folks think me to be .
amigo de christo
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You actually do not know THE BIBLE very well at all NOR HE WHO INSPSIRED it .
TIME to treat , NOT JUST twisted parts of it as truth , BUT ALL THINGS JESUS SAID AS TRUTH .
many are gonna wail my friend . GOD desired , JESUS DESIRED good for jerusalem .
HOW OFTEN GOD , HOW OFTEN HE WOULD have gathered it , ONLY , check this out , THEY WOULD NOT .
As far as love that you seem to quoate . In john chapter four verse eight .
TRY READING ALL OF WHAT JOHN WROTE . You picking and choosing certain verses
To establish something that aint true .
THAT AINT a new tatic . would you like to hear something .
WHEN the serepent tempted eve , HE TOLD HER A TRUTH , but used the truth OUT OF TEXT
to DECEIVE HER . FOR HE SAID NAY ye shall not die , WHICH BE A LIE
and yet used a truth , YE shall simply become as gods to know good and evil . WHICH ACTUALLY DID OCCUR
but THEY ALSO DIED . satan be very slick . HE can use THE PHRASE GOD IS LOVE
but beware HIM . OH DEAR BEWARE HIM
for he gonna preach his lie to cause the same effect to occur to folks today as did to eve .
HE caused EVE TO NOT BELIEVE GOD , when even GOD had said YE SHALL DIE
BY using a truth , OUT OF TEXT to try and imply they would not die , but just become as gods .
HE DOING IT TODAY TOO .
RATHER ODD . IN the beginning , in the garden the serpent did all to get them TO EAT of a tree
YET TODAY he does all to get folks to NOT EAT OF THE TREE OF LIFE . FAITH IN JESUS . OH THE DEVIL is a liar my friend
and HE and his co workers can wear a whole heck of a lot more than prada , THEY CAN WEAR WOOL
and they too can chant GOD IS LOVE . but mark my words they know neither GOD OR HIS LOVE . BIBLE TIME my friend .
BIBLE TIME .
Dear amigo de christo,
You do not understand conversion. All mankind is condemned to perish because all mankind has sinned. Christ did not come to stop mankind from paying their sin debt of death - He came to make us into a new creation before we pay that debt.
After the final age ends, all mankind will have perished in the Lake of Fire because all mankind are sinful children of the devil. But in contrast, the Kingdom of Heaven will be that much fuller because all mankind will be "born again" as children of God.
When you read verses like the one below, don't think that Christ is not going to convert the "slain" into children of God before they perish.
Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
The death of the child of the devil is a necessary component of conversion. The old vessel must be destroyed and a new vessel created.
Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
After a person is converted into a child of God, they are no longer condemned by the Law because the new child of God is sinless. However, the child of the devil (who they used to be) is not sinless, and because of such, the child of the devil is shown to be destroyed by Christ's judgment.
Joe
Eternally Grateful
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wow, where do you get this from?
Those who are saved will never see the lake of fire. that is the second death.. Not the first one which we all have suffered.
I quoted straight from scripture, unlike you. I don't think any amount of further discussion will help you see.
Dear Eternally Grateful,
The Lake of Fire is the symbol for the judgment of Christ which destroys the chaff (carnality & spirit of anti-Christ) within a believer. It is not literal fire nor is it a literal place.
Revelation chapter 19 presents the conversion of an Elect believer using the Lake of Fire symbol.
In the middle of the chapter, it presents the Marriage of the Lamb which represents the birth of a new child of God (Bride). The Marriage Supper of the Lamb is when Christ feeds His truth to the born again Elect believer.
The last part of the chapter presents the judgment of the believer which will purify them (remove the chaff). In that judgment, the new child of God (who has already been gathered to heaven) will ride with Christ over their own judgment. To symbolize it, the child of the devil is shown to be separated from the believer and is cast into the Lake of Fire for destruction. Since the child of God (Bride) was created prior to that judgment, the child of God does not experience the wrath of the Lake of Fire.
Mat 24:40-41 symbolizes it the same way.
Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field (represents one believer); the one shall be taken (child of the devil/spirit of anti-Christ), and the other left (child of God/Holy Spirit). 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill (represents the same believer); the one shall be taken (the Great Harlot/worsened carnal nature), and the other left (new spiritual nature of the Holy Spirit).
When judgment falls on an Elect believer, both the child of the Devil and the new child of God are contained within the believer. One is taken and one is left. The ones who are taken are the spirit of anti-Christ and the Great harlot - both are cast into the Lake of Fire for destruction. After this judgment is complete, the believer is converted and their carnality is destroyed.
In contrast to the judgment of the Elect described in Rev 19 and Mat 24:40-41 is the judgment of the "lost" in the final age. For the "lost", they will be cast into the Lake of Fire prior to being "born again". For them, they will experience the wrath of God while they are being judged in the Lake of Fire. However, before they perish, Christ will have mercy upon them and save them (Mat 23:23). After the new child of God is born, he will be immediately gathered up to heaven from the Lake of Fire. The child of the devil (spirit of anti-Christ/carnal nature) will remain in the Lake of Fire for destruction.
The symbolic way of presenting "conversion" that I presented above is only one of several ways that scripture teaches conversion. The symbols used are not literal but what they represent is.
Joe
Ritajanice
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Come over onto the tulip thread..for some reason you keep ignoring me...I’m done on this thread..
Take it up with me over there, I look forward to the discussion.
It’s called Tulip an open discussion...the title of the topic ..see you there...there we can go through what it means to be Born Again of imperishable seed.
It's not worth going back and forth... I've stated the truth according to God's Word. That's all I care to discuss. Truth. I'm already born again, from age 13 ....from imperishable and incorruptible seed. I don't need to continue going in circles with this topic.
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