Grace Does Not Cover Unbelief

[Ritajanice]

put away the sin of unbelief is another way of just saying TIME TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
yet epi and others seem to be preaching WE DONT NEED TOO and yet i keep seeing
folks following these men . IF a man cannot even preach THE TRUE GOSPEL
WHO GIVES A RIP what he tries to teach . HE IS LOST . LOST and not one lamb
has any business following such a man .
I know most of you all do not know the things i know about epi and others .
I GET that .
BUT IT IS MY DUTY , I DO KNOW , and thus I MUST EXPOSE HIM and remind you all NOT to heed that man .
HE DONT preach THE TRUE GOSPEL . if one cannot even preach that , DO YA REALLY THINK they know JESUS .
i get the fact some believe odd teachings about pre mid , post trib
BUT MAN if one DONT EVEN PREACH THE GOSPEL but rather preaches CONTRARY TO IT , THAT ONE DO NOT , DOES NOT KNOW GOD .

All in your opinion of course....to be honest half the time I don’t understand your posts, so I pass them by, so maybe I too am a false prophet as you keep accusing another of....show me my false teaching and show the other member his?

All this self adornment and self righteous attitude is becoming very tiresome.

 

[brightfame52]

Not only did Christ merely die for unbelief, but He died for all the sins of them He died for. All their iniquities were laid on Him and met on Him Isa 53:6

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

That word iniquity also means He being punished for the iniquity that was caused to meet on Him. All of their moral evil and perversions were laid on Him, to mention their depravity, their actual sins and inherent filth and evil thoughts. Remember David prayed Ps 19:12

12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

These secret faults were laid on Christ, and His Blood cleanses from all sin !2

 

[Ritajanice]

@Ritajanice



that figures, we not on the same page, but i have been explaining that very thing

No we certainly aren’t...

You haven’t even answered my question?

 

[Ritajanice]

Not only did Christ merely die for unbelief, but He died for all the sins of them He died for. All their iniquities were laid on Him and met on Him Isa 53:6

Absolute “ Tosh” with a capital .....” T”.

That word iniquity also means He being punished for the iniquity that was caused to meet on Him. All of their moral evil and perversions were laid on Him, to mention their depravity, their actual sins and inherent filth and evil thoughts. Remember David prayed Ps 19:12

12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

Christ blood does NOT cleanse you from all sin....it’s because of the blood that we can become Born Of The Spirit.

To which you seem to have very little understanding of?

These secret faults were laid on Christ, and His Blood cleanses from all sin !

We needed the death and resurrection of Jesus...we also need to be Born Again of imperishable seed?

Which means what exactly?

 

[brightfame52]

@Ritajanice

Christ blood does NOT cleanse you from all sin....it’s because of the blood that we can become Born Of The Spirit.

Utter disrespect to the Blood of Christ 1 Jn 1:7


But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Ritajanice



Utter disrespect to the Blood of Christ 1 Jn 1:7


But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Not at all..I posted that we need the death and resurrection of Jesus.

We also need to be Born Again of imperishable seed.

I post Gods truth.

You post half of the story.

 

[brightfame52]

Paul is an example of how Jesus Christ saves those He died for from unbelief. He testified to that fact here 1 Tim 1:12-15

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

All Paul did in persecuting the Church, the People of God was grounded in unbelief. However Jesus converted Paul from his unbelief when He renewed him on the road to damascus, Acts 9:1-6

And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

And so when Paul recalls this amazing show of mercy and grace towards him, even in the height of his unbelief, he cannot help but to testify:


"15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."

See to save a sinner is nothing less than saving an unbeliever. Jesus saves them by giving them His Grace and Faith, and hence they believe through Grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

To say that Jesus wont save a person because they wont believe is far from the truth ! 2

 

[brightfame52]

Unbelief is no more than an iniquity, and Christs death for one redeems an effects from all iniquity Titus 2:14

14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

If one Christ died for dies in unbelief, then it rendered His Death ineffective.

 

[brightfame52]

Frankly speaking if Christ didn't die for the sin of unbelief, none could be saved, since God put all men in unbelief Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Nobody will be saved from a sin Christ didn't die for ! The sole way to be saved from any sin is for Christs blood to have taken it away, purged it Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

So if by chance you are saved from unbelief, and yet Christ didn't die for it, congratulations, you saved yourself from your sin of unbelief, you are your own saviour !

 

[mailmandan]

I believe that Religion is an indication of the absence of faith. They don't believe that Jesus has saved them, so they turn to religion to save themselves.

Sadly, there are many folks out there who are "religious, but not right with God." Such folks may even believe that Jesus saved them (at best for the most part) but not completely. They also believe they must help save themselves (at least in part). Faith that saves trusts exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation. Either we are trusting 100% in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation or else we are 100% lost.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ died for the sin of unbelief because its a sin the Holy Spirit convicts of Jn 16:8-9

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Unbelief is the root sin of the world that Christ taketh away ! Jn 1:29

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.3

 

[brightfame52]

The work of the devil, which unbelief is, cannot render the work of Christ on a sinners behalf ineffective or futile. But thats exactly what people are saying when they claim Christ died for people who still perish in their sins because of unbelief Jn 8:24

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

That unbelief is satans work producing unbelief is seen in a couple of verses. #1 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

#2 Lk 8:12

Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

So if Jesus died for a person for the intention of saving that person from their sins, and that person nevertheless dies in unbelief, and never believes and be saved, then the devil rendered Jesus purpose to save ineffective, and gains the victory over the Son of God concerning that soul. Thats why I dont believe a person Christ died for can die in their sins in unbelief !

 

[Stumpmaster]

So if Jesus died for a person for the intention of saving that person from their sins, and that person nevertheless dies in unbelief, and never believes and be saved, then the devil rendered Jesus purpose to save ineffective, and gains the victory over the Son of God concerning that soul. Thats why I dont believe a person Christ died for can die in their sins in unbelief !

Don't forget to give your reasons why Jesus didn't die for any "unsaved" person in the first place.

 

[brightfame52]

When Christ died for the sins of the elect, He died for their sin of unbelief, so He must show mercy to the elect for their unbelief Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

So now the elect for their unbelief, obtain mercy Rom 11:30-31

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

 

[brightfame52]

The only way one for whom Christ died, to die in unbelief, its because unbelief reigned superiorly over the Blood of Christ. Now who wants to make that claim ?

 

[brightfame52]

Is unbelief the cause of ones condemnation ?​

Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Its thought in mans religion today that unbelief is the cause of condemnation, however its not, but its the symptom, outcome, and evidence that one is already condemned, not by unbelief but by the law of God.

Mans condemnation came upon him not by his unbelief in Christ, but by his uniformity with adam when he disobeyed Gods Law, Rom 5:18

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Did Adam disobey Gods Law ? Most definitely, no it wasn't the mosaic law but Gods moral law. Many will tell us that the law of God didn't exist at the beginning of creation, but thats ignorance and error, because the scripture is clear that Adam transgressed Rom 5:14

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

And sin is defined as 1 Jn 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

If there had been no law adam couldn't had sinned because the strength of sin is the Law 1 Cor 15:56

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.


And had there been no law for adam and man in him, consequently there had been no transgression Rom 5:12-14

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Common sense would have us to realize that a law was transgressed since death had its reign up to the time of moses, when the mosaic law was instituted

So if folk say there was no law of God and man wasnt under law before moses, they are in darkness.

 

[brightfame52]

So final unbelieving goes to show[evidence] that one is under condemnation of the Law, a law that Christ didn't satisfy for since He didn't die for them as one of His Sheep. Since Christ didn't substitute for them ,God still charges them as a transgressor of the law, as such, the Law condemns them without a Saviour to believe in.

 

[quietthinker]

So final unbelieving goes to show[evidence] that one is under condemnation of the Law, a law that Christ didn't satisfy for since He didn't die for them as one of His Sheep. Since Christ didn't substitute for them ,God still charges them as a transgressor of the law, as such, the Law condemns them without a Saviour to believe in.

There is no condemnation from God. If men judge their Saviour unworthy, they judge themselves. They have been deceived.
We must not represent God poorly nor are we to accuse those whom God doesn't.

 

[brightfame52]

There is no condemnation from God. If men judge their Saviour unworthy, they judge themselves. They have been deceived.
We must not represent God poorly nor are we to accuse those whom God doesn't.

So final unbelieving goes to show[evidence] that one is under condemnation of the Law, a law that Christ didn't satisfy for since He didn't die for them as one of His Sheep. Since Christ didn't substitute for them ,God still charges them as a transgressor of the law, as such, the Law condemns them without a Saviour to believe in.

 

[quietthinker]

So final unbelieving goes to show[evidence] that one is under condemnation of the Law, a law that Christ didn't satisfy for since He didn't die for them as one of His Sheep. Since Christ didn't substitute for them ,God still charges them as a transgressor of the law, as such, the Law condemns them without a Saviour to believe in.

Understanding what 'satisfying the Law' means will challenge the orthodox interpretation.
Be assured, condemnation is not something that emanates from God and he doesn't need blood to satisfy himself nor to forgive sins.

God is not legal in the sense we apply it, he is moral and compassion is its cornerstone.
Legality has been foisted onto God to justify/ satisfy our lack of love for our neighbour.
Jesus is the unmitigated revelation of God. He is the bright light of God's reality. If we want to know how God operates we need to understand Jesus and not just use his name to 'validate' our theories.