Bar one exception

[2bme]

It is completely normal in this day and age to believe in a God whom a person accepts has some type of spiritual/religious connection. It's become so normalised that a person has actual legal rights under certain government's. Those people who practice such spiritual/religious beliefs shape; manage their whole lives around this ability to connect with their God.

For whatever reason that has convinced them that this is actually plausible, whether it be a feeling God impresses on them, or they receive a sign that comes from above, or it could be something like a word sent directly to their heart, maybe a word for someone else. There's no denying that billions of human beings think this way about their God's. God's who are to be accepted as an invisible entity, a natural state for God while people live in the physical universe.

Now this is where I would like to make my argument and defend my rights as an Australian citizen. I should have the same right to claim all of the above mentioned but in regards of a connection with another human being who exists on this planet. Because I don't consider it would be fair for other people to regard my belief in that manner bogus while their belief in the exact same manner are protected.

 

[Matthias]

It is completely normal in this day and age to believe in a God whom a person accepts has some type of spiritual/religious communication. It's become so normalised that a person has actual legal rights under certain government's. Those people who practice such spiritual/religious beliefs shape; manage thei whole lives around this communicative ability with their God.

For whatever reason that has convinced them that this is actually plausible, whether it be a feeling God impresses on them, or they receive a sign that comes from above, or it could be something like a word sent directly to their heart, maybe a word for someone else. There's no denying that billions of human beings think this way about their God's. God's who is invisible in it's natural state while they live in the physical universe.

Now this is where I would like to claim my argument and defend my rights as an Australian citizen. I should have the same right to claim all of the above mentioned but in regards of a connection with another human being who exists on this planet.
Because I don't consider it would be fair for other people to regard my belief in that manner bogus while their belief in the exact same matter are protected.

“My belief”?

It’s surprising for me to hear you speak about your belief. In the past you’ve been outspoken about and against belief. What has changed for you?

 

[2bme]

“My belief”?

It’s surprising for me to hear you speak about your belief. In the past you’ve been outspoken about and against belief. What has changed for you?

Nothing.

 

[Matthias]

Nothing.

Hmm.

“I believe, help my unbelief.”

(Mark 9:24)

 

[2bme]

Hmm.

“I believe, help my unbelief.”

(Mark 9:24)

Like I said many times before. Understanding your reality around believing will cause schizophrenia. So I won't be abandoning my sensory input to a belief system, because I enjoy my freedom from medication and the clinic's. I can't believe like I did in the old days anyway. So short of Jesus himself appearing physically so that other people will be stopping and gasping, there's nothing I can do.

 

[Matthias]

Like I said many times before. Centring your reality around believing will cause schizophrenia. So I won't be abandoning my sensory input to a belief system, because I enjoy my freedom from medication and the clinic's. I can't believe like I did in the old days anyway.

You’re a complex man. You spoke in post #1 about your belief and you also retain your position that belief causes schizophrenia.

Believing what you did in the old days - you shouldn’t believe what you did in the old days.

So short of Jesus himself appearing physically so that other people will be stopping and gasping, there's nothing I can do.

Jesus will appear again physically. It’s only a matter of time.

 

[2bme]

You’re a complex man. You spoke in post #1 about your belief and you also retain your position that belief causes schizophrenia.

Believing what you did in the old days - you shouldn’t believe what you did in the old days.



Jesus will appear again physically. It’s only a matter of time.

I've already expounded on the difference between a belief and a fact elsewhere.

As for Jesus returning. How seriously do you think Christian's believe that? Because Christianity is a serious mess of a religion.

 

[Matthias]

I've already expounded on the difference between a belief and a fact elsewhere.

So the “my belief” you spoke about in post #1 isn’t a fact?

As for Jesus returning. How seriously do you think Christian's believe that?

That’s being tested right now on the forum by my friend @Pancho Frijoles. I invite you to see my thread titled The “Return” of Christ: What Does it Mean?

It’s not going well for the Christians.

Because Christianity is a serious mess of a religion.

An astute observation. Just as the Apostle Paul, a primitive Christian, said in the middle of the 1st century that it would be. The Christian religion that isn’t in that circumstance is found today in the lives of primitive Christians.

 

[2bme]

An astute observation. Just as the Apostle Paul, a primitive Christian, said in the middle of the 1st century that it would be. The Christian religion that isn’t in that circumstance is found today in the lives of primitive Christians.

Why is that exactly? If believing in Jesus is better for any group of individuals overall, how did Christianity digress into its splintered fighting match it is today. Could you conceive that I might have a point about the effect's of believing?

 

[Matthias]

Why is that exactly? If believing in Jesus is better for any group of individuals overall, how did Christianity digress into its splintered fighting match it is today.

That’s a good question.

Paul said that after his death wolves - not literal wolves; false teachers and preachers - would savage the flock - not literal sheep; people in the congregations. It was already happening, even in Paul’s day. He knew it was only going to get worse once he was out of the way.

Could you conceive that I might have a point about the effect's of believing?

With you, I’ve come to expect the unexpected.

 

[2bme]

With you, I’ve come to expect the unexpected.

How so?

 

[Matthias]

How so?

In what you say and in what you do.

”My faith” in the present tense is not something I ever expected to hear you say.

 

[2bme]

In what you say and in what you do.

”My faith” in the present tense is not something I ever expected to hear you say.

I think you are seeing what you want to see in my original post. I used the word belief in that tense, because I currently assume to be connected emotionally to another person.

You are so antagonistic towards me about faith/belief. Why is that?

 

[Matthias]

I think you are seeing what you want to see in my original post.

What I saw in your original post was you speaking about “my faith”.

I used the word belief in that tense, because I currently assume to be connected emotionally to another person.

Why “assume”?

You are so antagonistic towards me about faith/belief. Why is that?

I’m not antagonistic toward you about anything. I like you and wish you well.

 

[2bme]

What I saw in your original post was you speaking about “my faith”.



Why “assume”?



I’m not antagonistic toward you about anything. I like you and wish you well.

I hope I die soon. I'm tired of the human race.

 

[2bme]

If I can't be with the one I love, then death would be better than going through the hell of waiting.

 

[Matthias]

I hope I die soon.

There is a cure for your despair.

I'm tired of the human race.

Would you like to fix the human race?

 

[Matthias]

If I can't be with the one I love….

Why can’t you be with the one you love?

… then death would be better than going through the hell of waiting.

Love is patient.

 

[Behold]

Like I said many times before. Understanding your reality around believing will cause schizophrenia. So I won't be abandoning my sensory input to a belief system,

You just stated your "belief system".

 

[2bme]

There is a cure for your despair.



Would you like to fix the human race?

Nope.