Spiritual Warfare
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You are not understanding how God judges, God has no favourites...if you trust Him he will justify you. If you ask for mercy He will give it. God is merciful. In the case of both Abraham and Phinehas God justified men who either trusted Him or else acted on God's behalf. In both cases God justified them....calling them both righteous.
God respect what a man does. He respects faith in Him.
Nobody ever receives God's righteousness...in either Testament. We will ALL be judged by OUR works..what we have dome with what we have been given. We enter into Christ to be COVERED by His righteousness and are empowered to walk in that.....by grace through faith.
In the higher righteousness we do miraculous things....things a mortal man outside of grace can't do.
false. There is no translation that says what you wrote. Even the human agenda of translators don't invent words as you do.
Find in ANY translation that says...counted to him as God's righteousness. You can fool children...but we all have bible here. So you are exposed.
Not necessarily. God has to accept our faith just as He did for Abraha,. How we know that we are justified is that we are translated into the kingdom of God...as Paul testifies to.
false. Only the salvation FROM sin is faith based. No human effort can overcome all sin.
What planet are you living on?
He doesn't do that. Justification by faith (and faithfulness...same word) is about an attitude that moves God to mercy.
Are you speaking into a mirror right now?
Behold
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Yes, i just told you that "God is no respector of persons".
That's true.
Some falsely teach that faith is something you do, and of course that is not true.
A person can do works because they have faith in Christ, or they can do works and not have any Faith in Christ.
Faith is to BELIEVE., its not a work, but you seem to think its a work.
You can save that topic for a future Video, if you like.
Thats an incredible lie, that shows any real Christian, or MOD... that you have no idea what Salvation "in Christ", actually does.
Every born again believer, has received God's "Gift of righteousness" as that is to become "made righteous", as "The Righteousness of God, in Christ"
Listen... in Phil 3, Paul told you that he was "blameless in the law"........so, could a person be more "righteous" then to be blameless in the law?
Then he stated that this is "DUNG">.........when compared to the Righteousness of God.. and that is why He only wanted to be found IN CHRIST< where the Righteousness of God, is the TRUE Eternal Righteousness.
The fact is "the Gift of Righteousness" is exactly how a Believer, is """made Righteous""", once their sin is forgiven by the Blood and Death of Jesus on the Cross, that you always deny.
So, Are you so Theologically Dark, that you actually dont understand that the Righteous that was "accounted to Abraham" and now in the NT,, as the "imputed righteousness of Christ'.... is God's GIFT?
The reason that "Abraham is the father of us all", is because He is the first one of FAITH. (justification by faith)..... the original... so, the born again, have the faith of Abraham. "who is the father of us all".
God is the "heavenly Father" of the Born again... He's "abba", ...but Abraham is the "father of us all".. the first "of Faith".. The initial one who was "justified by faith".
All who are now justified, came AFTER Him, as He is the original "father of us all" regarding . = Justification by faith.
Romans 4:16
GracePeace
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2Pe 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
GracePeace
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"The Spirit told me" isn't enough for me.
I study Scripture to arrive at atomistically precise answers.
The point is that there were HOLY men in "old time" of the old testament, contrary to what some are trying to tell you.
amigo de christo
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take note what JESUS told the UNBELIEVING jews .
Concerning abraham . what did HE do , WHO do abraham believe .
HE believed GOD and thus obeyed GOD .
NOW take note JESUS told them i have told you TRUTH and yet go about to kill me
THIS DID NOT abraham do .
You see THEY didnt BELIEVE JESUS WAS THE CHRIST
THEY didnt beleive the words of CHRIST .
Guess what EPI , IF JESUS said it GOD said it .
GOD testifies OF JESUS THE CHRIST . not of some other pick up your own cross stuff .
JESUS said YE MUST BELIEVE HE is the CHRIST , if not you die in your sins .
But that is not what inclusivity says .
Adam and eve in the garden and in that garden there was a serpent .
IT convinced them to BELIEVE IT and NOT GOD .
HEY EPI , who you think i am gonna beleive , GOD , HIS CHRIST , or what men say . EXACTLY EPI .
exactly . IF JESUS said something IT CAME FROM GOD . and yet many seem
to not beleive the fact ONE MUST BELIEVE . gee epi
This is not looking good for that entire realm who has bought into a lie .
Much like eve did .
Yous see eve at one time had KNOW truth , she knew NOT to eat of the tree for in the day they did they would die .
SHE even said that back to the serpent
but oh how he tempted her to beleieve a lie , NAY ye shall NOT DIE .
guess what epi . That ol serpent is at it again as ususal .
HAS GOD , DID CHRIST really say YE must beleive .
and the woman , the church said , YES HE said YE must believe
and that if one beleived not they would perish ,
NAY says the serpent , YE shall not , they shall not surely perish for GOD is love . HE IS A LIAR EPI .
and its about time we preached the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST to everything that has breath .
Teaching them to OBSERVE , not some , not most , BUT ALL THINGS HE did teach and command EPI .
Just a real friendly reminder so as you might better understand how that ol sepent do DECIEVE .
In the garden the snake did all to convince eve to EAT of the ONE TREE she was not to have eated from .
TODAY he do all to try and convince the church to not TELL THE WORLD of that ONE TREE THEY MUST EAT OF
JESUS THE CHRIST . THINK on that EPI .
amigo de christo
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if you TRUST HIM he will justify you . SO HOW COME we think its okay to teach people NOT TO TRUST GOD .
I MEAN if ONE TRUSTS NOT IN JESUS THE CHRIST , what HE SAID , guess who they DO NOT TRUST , GOD .
so again while you said a truth , ITS TIME TO BELEIVE THAT EPI .
Time to preach again the DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and teach ALL things HE did command .
Well unless you dont TRUST what HE SAID . but IF , IF that be the case , OH DEAR epi
you trusting in ya self not GOD who SENT THE SON . The son who warned of the dire consequences
that would come upon those who DID NOT beleive . Let us all return again as small children and be refreshed again in the scriptures and be in prayer . Let all , as do children , TRUST IN GOD , IN CHRIST , IN HIS holy inspired words left to us IN THE BIBLE epi .
What you have to understand is that it is essential to believe INTO Christ. Don't be deceived.
amigo de christo
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JESUS own words . HAD you loved GOD then you would have LOVED ME .
He who loves me KEEPS my commandments .
John well knew this to be true . He too wrote
And this is HIS commandment . TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , so lets not forget that part folks ,
and to love one another . As HE loved us .
TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
well all them other religions DO NOT believe HIM to be the CHRIST of GOD , Son of GOD .
And if JESUS told even the unbeleiving jews
HAD YOU BELIEVED MOSES you would have BELEIVED ME , for he wrote of me .
THEN dont expect just cause a muslim claims to know torah or moses
that they actually DO BELIEVE HIM either . cause i dont seem to see them
saying JESUS IS THE CHRIST , the SON OF GOD .
IF the unbelieving jews dont get a pass , NEITHER do anyone else . Lets keep that in memory and in mind .
And thus LETS remind again unto the whole wide world and all that is in it , THE DIRE NEED
to actually BELIEVE IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND , that be JESUS THE CHRIST . have a wonderul
day my friends . But please understand , so long as breath be in these lungs
JESUS THE CHRIST gonna be pointed too on my watch .
He who loves me KEEPS my commandments .
John well knew this to be true . He too wrote
And this is HIS commandment . TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST , so lets not forget that part folks ,
and to love one another . As HE loved us .
TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
well all them other religions DO NOT believe HIM to be the CHRIST of GOD , Son of GOD .
And if JESUS told even the unbeleiving jews
HAD YOU BELIEVED MOSES you would have BELEIVED ME , for he wrote of me .
THEN dont expect just cause a muslim claims to know torah or moses
that they actually DO BELIEVE HIM either . cause i dont seem to see them
saying JESUS IS THE CHRIST , the SON OF GOD .
IF the unbelieving jews dont get a pass , NEITHER do anyone else . Lets keep that in memory and in mind .
And thus LETS remind again unto the whole wide world and all that is in it , THE DIRE NEED
to actually BELIEVE IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND , that be JESUS THE CHRIST . have a wonderul
day my friends . But please understand , so long as breath be in these lungs
JESUS THE CHRIST gonna be pointed too on my watch .
You are confusing righteousness and holiness...again and again. The bible doesn't call Abraham a holy prophet. Yes, there were holy prophets...anointed by God to speak His words. But that was also based on the law. Remember the kind of mercy that Elijah (a holy prophet) showed to the 50 men that came to take him to the king. Maybe you can't discern the difference, but in the NT the prophets didn't call down fire from heaven. In fact, when John suggested that Jesus call down fire on a Samaritan village just like Elijah did....what did He say??? Of what spirit are you?
amigo de christo
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Word play much my friend .
You cant beleive yourself into christ , IF YA DONT BELEIVE IN HIM EPI .
the born again are HIS and they DO BELEIVE HIM TO BE THE CHRIST , the MESSIAH , THE SON OF GOD , the ONLY name
that if one do call upon THEY SHALL be saved .
So you can keep on trying to explain things away epi . But as i said and wrote afore
and please ponder on this ,
WHO YOU THINK i am gonna believe , MEN , OR WHAT JESUS HIMSELF said . DO CHOOSE the latter please .
HE alone is whom i shall point too , HE alone is whom i shall teach and point and remind all folks
of the dire necessity to BELEIVE ON HIM .
Believe into . come on epi . stick to the scrips if you want to debate . I think we both know
what will happen , however if ya did that . Epi , o epi , my soul weeps my friend it truly does .
HOW simple it is and could have been IF only folks had Learned to TRUST IN CHRIST and not rather in men .
So lets repeat the matter . IF JESUS SAID IT , GOD SAID IT . GOD cannot lie , man can .
SO , which one do you think I am gonna trust in . men and their wise wise wisdoms of this world
OR IN GOD and HIS CHRIST made mention of IN that BIBLE and them words written for us to learn .
Even demons believe in Jesus, and they tremble. Do you tremble or are you religiously smug? You demean what faith is. You have to come out of your indoctrination and actually seek the Lord. For real.
Arthur81
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Going back to the beginning, the OP, I see the battle for truth to be a cultural problem. How much of my understanding of God's word is objectively derived from the truth presented by Jesus Christ. I grew up from infancy in a religious culture and atmosphere; so I am tainted to some degree by that former religious teaching.
Apart from how both religious and secular culture has affected me, how do I recognize it in others, and how much am I still influenced by culture that is foreign to the truth of God. Taken as a given that I have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, I find it a true struggle sometimes to make sure I'm objective.
In evaluating various theological positions or doctrines, I became reliant on textbooks on hermeneutics, and I mean textbooks plural, not just one. I find it necessary to force myself to abide by the rules of interpretation and seeking to be honest with myself.
I value the teachings I find in the men of God out of the past as contained in their commentaries. I try to evaluate the arguments made in commentaries by Methodist, Baptist, Reformed, Lutheran, etc. If my interpretation is at wide variance from a unified teaching of the historic churches, I must question how accurate my understanding truly is.
I have concluded that the 1885 RV and 1901 ASV are the last accurate translations to be the least influenced by cultural and theological bias. In translations of today, I use the 1989 NRSV and 2021 NRSVue often because they are more "academic" and least affected by theological slant, or reading back into the OT, theology of the NT. The 1989 Revised English Bible of the UK I've found to be a good Dynamic Equivalence Translation to use along with other translations. Translations are made by Christian men who are not infallible, even the honored KJV translators.
To sum up how I see the "Spiritual Warfare", I must face the fact I have presuppositions that can be in error, so it is a struggle to see God's truth objectively. I do know that the way, truth and life are to be found solely in Jesus Christ and my being truly 'in Christ', personally evidenced by my daily walk.
Joh 14:6 NRSVAue Jesus said to him, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Apart from how both religious and secular culture has affected me, how do I recognize it in others, and how much am I still influenced by culture that is foreign to the truth of God. Taken as a given that I have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, I find it a true struggle sometimes to make sure I'm objective.
In evaluating various theological positions or doctrines, I became reliant on textbooks on hermeneutics, and I mean textbooks plural, not just one. I find it necessary to force myself to abide by the rules of interpretation and seeking to be honest with myself.
I value the teachings I find in the men of God out of the past as contained in their commentaries. I try to evaluate the arguments made in commentaries by Methodist, Baptist, Reformed, Lutheran, etc. If my interpretation is at wide variance from a unified teaching of the historic churches, I must question how accurate my understanding truly is.
I have concluded that the 1885 RV and 1901 ASV are the last accurate translations to be the least influenced by cultural and theological bias. In translations of today, I use the 1989 NRSV and 2021 NRSVue often because they are more "academic" and least affected by theological slant, or reading back into the OT, theology of the NT. The 1989 Revised English Bible of the UK I've found to be a good Dynamic Equivalence Translation to use along with other translations. Translations are made by Christian men who are not infallible, even the honored KJV translators.
To sum up how I see the "Spiritual Warfare", I must face the fact I have presuppositions that can be in error, so it is a struggle to see God's truth objectively. I do know that the way, truth and life are to be found solely in Jesus Christ and my being truly 'in Christ', personally evidenced by my daily walk.
Joh 14:6 NRSVAue Jesus said to him, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Thank you for your contribution. You actually address the OP...which is kind of rare these days.
I think we all have to do our due diligence where it comes to being responsible to God for our spiritual direction. To each his own.
I rely not so much on what other people have found to be true...I rely on God and the word. It's about depth in both cases. There is A LOT of superficial fluff these days. People want temporal successes...or just what makes them feel good about themselves.
The proof for me is in the pudding, so to speak. ;)
What are our doctrines doing for us and to us? Am I filled with love, joy and peace? Am I meditating on God's word day and night so that vain thoughts have no place? For me the Hebrew gave me an extra weapon to fuel my meditations. The word of God is very deep. And the experiences of God in the Spirit are eternal in scale.
What I have found is that just living by the Spirit, even if one is not IN the Spirit...brings spiritual warfare to one's door. The enemy will try appealing to what is natural to the flesh. But we are to cast down imaginations, and everything that exalts itself above the knowledge of God. And we are to take captive every thought to the obedience of Christ. Listening back to my podcast I realize I didn't spend as much time on that last aspect. To me, taking thoughts captive has to do with meditating on the word. Do I allow any thought to take over my mind before getting back to my meditation? Well I find that my mind goes back to meditating automatically. The battle is the Lord's.
Peace to you bro! <><
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Yes!! So true.
Which I had something to add but this makes me so happy
Behold
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Every born again Christian has received God's Righteousness, as a Free "Gift".
If this does not happen, then the person, cannot be accepted by God, because God has not given them His Righteousness.
Now, Lets look at Salvation., as we have to understand it perfectly, and when we do, then This is the Helmet of Salvation, and you are to have it in your UNDERSTANDING< so that you can wage perfect : SPIRITUAL Warfare..
So, What is it?
What is Salvation, that is the correct understanding, that allows you to maintain effective = SPIRITUAL Warfare...?
A.) Its God solving everything for you, through the Cross of Christ, and by His Grace, that was preventing you from being joined Spiritually to Him, for eternity.
Reader,
Unbelievers have 2 issues, preventing them from going to Heaven and God has to solve them for the unbeliever.
1.) Unforgiven sin
2.) They are UNRighteous.
So, God has to solve both of those issues for all UNBELIEVERS...., and He does once they come to Him with Believing FAITH IN Christ.
Reader, when you took Jesus by Faith, God took you Forever........ but God had to deal with all your SIN and your unrighteousness, first... before he could birth you, as ""born again.""
Here is How God did that....for you.
A.) The Cross of Christ, is were God took All your sin, and had Jesus die for them all......and that solved your sin issue...
1.) "God hath made JESUS to be sin for us"" ... because...2.) "JESUS is the one time eternal sacrifice for sin".
So, you were made free from sin, because the blood and death of the ETERNAL Sacrifice of JESUS.. has resolved them forever.
THEN,.... God has you make you RIGHTEOUS... .and how does God make you Righteous...???
A.) God gives you "the Gift of Righteousness"...
Reader, Salvation is "the Gift of Salvation.
Eternal life is "The Gift of Eternal Life".
RIGHTEOUSNESS... Is "THE Gift of Righteousness"....
And now, that you became sinless and "made righteous"... This now allows : "God who is A Spirit" to birth you into Himself as "one with God", "In Christ"... = by the Holy Spirit.
And when this happened, you became a born again... "new creation"... "in Christ"... "Son/Daughter of God".. and you will remain so, for as long as God exists.
Now , Episkopos, denies that God gives you or anyone righteousness, and that is because He has ZERO understanding of The Cross of Christ, Salvation, or Redemption.
His Religion is : LEGALISM, and that is why he only talks about self effort to gain... self effort to get there... self effort to achieve...
And none of that is : God's GRACE as Salvation, and Christianity itself is ALL OF GOD's GRACE.
We RECEIVE IT...
Now...Let me show you Paul's verse, that teaches that the RIGHTEOUSNESS that God gave you,. ..is a GIFT.
Look at these verses.
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For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and Gods' GIFT of RIGHTEOUSNESS for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.
English Standard Version
For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of Righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
Berean Standard Bible
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!
Berean Literal Bible
For if, by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one, how much more will those receiving the abundance of grace and of the GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS reign in life through the one, Jesus Christ!
King James Bible
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the Gift of Righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
New King James Version
For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
New American Standard Bible
For if by the offense of the one, death reigned through the one, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and of the Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
NASB 1995
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
NASB 1977
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Legacy Standard Bible
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Amplified Bible
For if by the trespass of the one (Adam), death reigned through the one (Adam), much more surely will those who receive the abundance of grace and THE FREE GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS reign in [eternal] life through the One, Jesus Christ.
I agree. Abraham had this thing called faith........and faith is not of our own that no man may boast, but is of God. Some folks are not taking into account that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, and that God's works were finished from the foundation of the world too. But the natural man can't perceive these things because they are spiritually discerned.
I suppose I have to answer this post as it does raise up something that needs to be taught.
1. A gift is NOT the same as having something imputed to you.
Explanation: "The sound came from the engine." The sound was imputed to the engine. Do we say...the sound was a GIFT to the engine? Well, if you have very wanky theology, yes. But....only what comes FROM US can be imputed to us. The righteousness of God is ALWAYS His. His righteousness comes FROM Him and can only be imputed TO Him. The saints have their own righteousness in the form of white raiment.
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Back to the GIFT of righteousness. What is this gift of righteousness? It is a COVERING
we receive by getting ABUNDANT grace...or the FULL MEASURE of grace. It is "those who receive abundant grace"....not just the initial grace given as a deposit. So we are looking at a gift given to those who seek God diligently for the full measure of grace...as Jesus is the FINISHER of what He started.
And while the gift is given freely, it isn't free the way people that are looking only for the free stuff think. No, to get the abundant grace one must ask, seek and knock and be visited by God. It is God who personally bestows His gift of righteousness on those who He loves...as an anointing covering...that replaces the need for any human effort at remaining in holiness. By His keeping power.
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