Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

[Christian Soldier]

Well, I invite you to go through every point I made and give us scriptures which expose my false doctrine for the sake of the other readers. That's if you can.

please go airhead, use the scriptures if you can.

I wonder what scripture you are going to use to confirm your statement.

What scripture are you going to use to prove your conclusion, His blood is useless from that time onward.

Yes God being multiple, as in Mose's record. Let Us make man in Our own image

Well, I invite you to go through every point I made and give us scriptures which expose my false doctrine for the sake of the other readers. That's if you can.

please go airhead, use the scriptures if you can.

I wonder what scripture you are going to use to confirm your statement.

What scripture are you going to use to prove your conclusion, His blood is useless from that time onward.

Yes God being multiple, as in Mose's record. Let Us make man in Our own image.

I'm not going list all the verses which expose your false doctrine, until you list the verses which you think support your doctrine. If I try to refute unbiblical doctrines with the bible, I would be entering into a futile debate. There's no point in debating doctrines which don't exist.
It would be like asking you to tell me how tall the real Mickey Mouse was, you would lose that debate before you even started as Mickey Mouse only exists in your mind.

You have never provided any verses of scripture, to support your false beliefs, such as those in the lake of fire will get another chance at salvation after they are fully cooked. And that the blood of Jesus can be used as a get out of hell card after a those in there are sufficiently cooked.

And there's the other ridiculous idea that Christ is coming back to rule for a thousand years, when the bible says He's coming back to cast the goats into hell and the sheep will inherit the promised Kingdom, there will be no 1000 year reign, because He shall reign for ever and ever.

Anyway, your theology is so messed up that I doubt you have the capacity to endure sound doctrine, so I would ask you to please list the verses which you think support some of the points we have debated recently.

 

[One 2 question]

I'm not going list all the verses which expose your false doctrine, until you list the verses which you think support your doctrine. If I try to refute unbiblical doctrines with the bible, I would be entering into a futile debate. There's no point in debating doctrines which don't exist.
It would be like asking you to tell me how tall the real Mickey Mouse was, you would lose that debate before you even started as Mickey Mouse only exists in your mind.

1. There are Creators, plural.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.

2. God's eternal purpose involves the body of Christ revealing the manifold wisdom of God to Satan and his angels.

Eph 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Eph 3:11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

3. We can boldly come to our Creators. That is by the Spirit we are in Christ sitting with Father Who is in heaven, hollowed be His name.

Eph 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith.
God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

4. In the upcoming ages Jesus Christ's Father will establish His Son's 1000 year kingdom on earth.

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

5. The Creators plan to redeem everyone in heaven and earth, reconciling them all to Themselves.

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight.

You have never provided any verses of scripture, to support your false beliefs, such as those in the lake of fire will get another chance at salvation after they are fully cooked. And that the blood of Jesus can be used as a get out of hell card after a those in there are sufficiently cooked.

And there's the other ridiculous idea that Christ is coming back to rule for a thousand years, when the bible says He's coming back to cast the goats into hell and the sheep will inherit the promised Kingdom, there will be no 1000 year reign, because He shall reign for ever and ever.

Anyway, your theology is so messed up that I doubt you have the capacity to endure sound doctrine, so I would ask you to please list the verses which you think support some of the points we have debated recently.

The Creators plan to reveal Their love for Their enemies is nothing short of a brilliant display of Their manifold wisdom. That They thought up a way to redeem, restore and reconcile all of Their creations to Themselves.

I love Them and Their beyond amazing grace not only given to John Newton, Hitler but even the devil and his angels.

 

[Christian Soldier]

1. There are Creators, plural.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.

2. God's eternal purpose involves the body of Christ revealing the manifold wisdom of God to Satan and his angels.

Eph 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Eph 3:11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

3. We can boldly come to our Creators. That is by the Spirit we are in Christ sitting with Father Who is in heaven, hollowed be His name.

Eph 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith.
God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

4. In the upcoming ages Jesus Christ's Father will establish His Son's 1000 year kingdom on earth.

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

5. The Creators plan to redeem everyone in heaven and earth, reconciling them all to Themselves.

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight.


The Creators plan to reveal Their love for Their enemies is nothing short of a brilliant display of Their manifold wisdom. That They thought up a way to redeem, restore and reconcile all of Their creations to Themselves.

I love Them and Their beyond amazing grace not only given to John Newton, Hitler but even the devil and his angels.

The bible has never ever used the ridiculous term, "creators" to describe God. Because God is One, He is never described in the plural. The Holy Trinity is One Godhead, God is a mystery so don't bother trying to make sense of Him. He is invisible, He has no form, He is outside of His creation so you can't talk to Him.

The Bible says that God is One, and that's the end of the matter.

Gods eternal purpose was never to reveal anything but His wrath and hatred to Satan and His Angels. That's all they will see from God, while He torments them in the lake of fire for all eternity.

Eph 3:10 says noting about Satan and His Angels being given a second chance, it just says that they are known to the Church. That means the Church knows them and their evil schemes, so they can never deceive us. It's incredible, that you would attempt to make that verse say something completely different, and think you can get away with it.

Eph 3:11 simply confirms that they are exposed and rendered harmless to believers, according to His eternal purpose.

You then go on to list a bunch of verses which only apply to the Elect Saints of God and apply them to Satan and His Angels. I find this astoundingly brazen and blasphemous, after everything God said He would do to Satan and his Angels. The fact that you're unable to see this shows how blind you are to the truth.

 

[One 2 question]

The bible has never ever used the ridiculous term, "creators" to describe God. Because God is One, He is never described in the plural. The Holy Trinity is One Godhead, God is a mystery so don't bother trying to make sense of Him. He is invisible, He has no form, He is outside of His creation so you can't talk to Him.

The Bible says that God is One, and that's the end of the matter.

Gods eternal purpose was never to reveal anything but His wrath and hatred to Satan and His Angels. That's all they will see from God, while He torments them in the lake of fire for all eternity.

Eph 3:10 says noting about Satan and His Angels being given a second chance, it just says that they are known to the Church. That means the Church knows them and their evil schemes, so they can never deceive us. It's incredible, that you would attempt to make that verse say something completely different, and think you can get away with it.

Eph 3:11 simply confirms that they are exposed and rendered harmless to believers, according to His eternal purpose.

You then go on to list a bunch of verses which only apply to the Elect Saints of God and apply them to Satan and His Angels. I find this astoundingly brazen and blasphemous, after everything God said He would do to Satan and his Angels. The fact that you're unable to see this shows how blind you are to the truth.

So correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that you want to debate interpretation of bible text not the actual text itself.

 

[One 2 question]

Th

So correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that you want to debate interpretation of bible text not the actual text itself.

That’s fine with me. God gives you revelation and me revelation too. It's great. The Spirit gets you to see truth how He want and me how He wants. And that's His perogative.

You interpret presented truths as you do and I as I do. Thanks be to the Spirit for His role of leading us into all truth.
Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Giving us the mind of Christ.

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Christian Soldier]

So correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that you want to debate interpretation of bible text not the actual text itself.

Yes, I was trying to determined which of the 45,000 interpretations of the bible text you subscribe to. Nobody is disputing the words in the bible but everyone has their own private interpretation and nobody agrees with each other

 

[One 2 question]

The bible has never ever used the ridiculous term, "creators" to describe God. Because God is One, He is never described in the plural. The Holy Trinity is One Godhead, God is a mystery so don't bother trying to make sense of Him. He is invisible, He has no form, He is outside of His creation so you can't talk to Him.

Where did you get that term, Holy Trinity? I just did a word search of the KJV bible but it came up with
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The Bible says that God is One, and that's the end of the matter.

What matter is that in particular? That the Creators' said, 'Let Us make ......'?
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.

Gods eternal purpose was never to reveal anything but His wrath and hatred to Satan and His Angels. That's all they will see from God, while He torments them in the lake of fire for all eternity.

You were saying that everything I have said had nothing to do with revelations documented in the bible. Thus the quote.

Eph 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Eph 3:11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Eph 3:10 says noting about Satan and His Angels being given a second chance, it just says that they are known to the Church. That means the Church knows them and their evil schemes, so they can never deceive us. It's incredible, that you would attempt to make that verse say something completely different, and think you can get away with it.

Eph 3:11 simply confirms that they are exposed and rendered harmless to believers, according to His eternal purpose.

You then go on to list a bunch of verses which only apply to the Elect Saints of God

Maybe you could have a closer look at what Paul had revealed to him by the Spirit....

and apply them to Satan and His Angels. I find this astoundingly brazen and blasphemous, after everything God said He would do to Satan and his Angels. The fact that you're unable to see this shows how blind you are to the truth.

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

'All things', maybe Paul meant to say some things, the chosen things, the elected things, holy things or other things.

What's YOUR interpretation of Paul's specific revelation here. You never know, we may agree and get the same understanding as Paul from the same Spirit. Unless Paul had a special, elite, more powerful and knowledgeable Spirit than you or I have living in us. But I doubt that you believe that as you quoted recently, God is not a respecter of person.

 

[One 2 question]

Yes, I was trying to determined which of the 45,000 interpretations of the bible text you subscribe to. Nobody is disputing the words in the bible but everyone has their own private interpretation and nobody agrees with each other

But we have the minds (plural, multiple) of Christ?And multiple Spirits of Truth? Oh that's right, Paul said,
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Th

That’s fine with me. God gives you revelation and me revelation too. It's great. The Spirit gets you to see truth how He want and me how He wants. And that's His perogative.

You interpret presented truths as you do and I as I do. Thanks be to the Spirit for His role of leading us into all truth.
Jhn 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

Jhn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Giving us the mind of Christ.

1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Nice scriptures, but it's a shame they have no new revelations to give us. They were all spoken the the Apostles 2000 years ago and nothing new has ever been spoken or given since then. So it's back to the same old old bible we go, with nothing new discovered or received.

Nice try though

 

[Christian Soldier]

Where did you get that term, Holy Trinity? I just did a word search of the KJV bible but it came up with
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What matter is that in particular? That the Creators' said, 'Let Us make ......'?
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.

You were saying that everything I have said had nothing to do with revelations documented in the bible. Thus the quote.

Eph 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Eph 3:11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Maybe you could have a closer look at what Paul had revealed to him by the Spirit....


Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

'All things', maybe Paul meant to say some things, the chosen things, the elected things, holy things or other things.

What's YOUR interpretation of Paul's specific revelation here. You never know, we may agree and get the same understanding as Paul from the same Spirit. Unless Paul had a special, elite, more powerful and knowledgeable Spirit than you or I have living in us. But I doubt that you believe that as you quoted recently, God is not a respecter of person.

There are many words we use today which are not in the bible, but it doesn't mean that they don't exist. The word homosexual was only invented around 250 years ago so it's not in the bible but homosexuals existed in biblical times as well..
The word you used "creators" cannot be applied to God. Jesus is the person who created everything that exists, so your use of that word is incorrect.

Given that all three Person of the Holy Trinity are in perfect agreement in all matters, it makes sense to say "let Us make man in Our image". Jesus did the creating and making, while the other two person watched on in full agreement and approval of what He was doing. So the Triune God is One Godhead existing as three separate Persons. Nobody in their right mind would call them Gods or Creators.

Yes we all know, our parents ate the forbidden fruit and then realized they were naked and ashamed. Knowing good and evil is no new revelation to us, mankind has known it for the past 6000 years, we are all born knowing good and evil. So there's no new revelation in that.

To "reconcile all things to Himself" simply means, to redeem everything that was lost when man fell. That includes all of Gods elect, all the animals, and the fish and every other natural thing. Satan and His Angels will never be reconcile because God never purposed to save any of them. Their fate is sealed, they are heading straight for the lake of fire to be eternally tormented in flames by God.

Please remember that when Adam fell, the whole natural world came under the same curse as we did. So the natural world will be redeemed, reconciles and made perfect as it was in the beginning. Have you noticed how hostile nature is towards our wicked race, it's always trying to kill us and poison us. The whole of nature groans under the weight of the curse we bought upon it.

So Paul was saying that all things which God purposed to reconcile shall be reconciled, but it's foolish to suggest that God will reconcile those He hates with an ternal hatred to Himself.

 

[Christian Soldier]

But we have the minds (plural, multiple) of Christ?And multiple Spirits of Truth? Oh that's right, Paul said,
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Those scriptures are meaningless, until you identify who they are speaking about. Who is called in one hope of their calling, are you suggesting that this was spoken to Satan and His Angels, if so you are gravely mistaken.

Who is the "one baptism" for, is it for Satan.

And who is the "and you all" referring to, is it Satan and His Angels????

It's all well and good to refer to verses of scripture, but you do great harm to the gospel is you misapply them.

 

[One 2 question]

Those scriptures are meaningless, until you identify who they are speaking about. Who is called in one hope of their calling, are you suggesting that this was spoken to Satan and His Angels, if so you are gravely mistaken.

The chosen and redeemed from every tongue, tribe people and nation. Definatly not Satan and his angels. They are the audience watch on and seeing the manifold wisdom of God play out.

Who is the "one baptism" for, is it for Satan.

And who is the "and you all" referring to, is it Satan and His Angels????

It's all well and good to refer to verses of scripture, but you do great harm to the gospel is you misapply them.

There are many words we use today which are not in the bible, but it doesn't mean that they don't exist. The word homosexual was only invented around 250 years ago so it's not in the bible but homosexuals existed in biblical times as well..
The word you used "creators" cannot be applied to God. Jesus is the person who created everything that exists, so your use of that word is incorrect.

Let Us make (create or bear) in Our image is the word.

Given that all three Person of the Holy Trinity are in perfect agreement in all matters, it makes sense to say "let Us make man in Our image". Jesus did the creating and making, while the other two person watched on in full agreement and approval of what He was doing.

Who said only Jesus did the creating? Who said His Father watched on. Who said the Spirit just watched on?

So the Triune God is One Godhead existing as three separate Persons. Nobody in their right mind would call them Gods or Creators.

I certainly do.

Yes we all know, our parents ate the forbidden fruit and then realized they were naked and ashamed. Knowing good and evil is no new revelation to us, mankind has known it for the past 6000 years, we are all born knowing good and evil. So there's no new revelation in that.

Great

To "reconcile all things to Himself" simply means, to redeem everything that was lost when man fell.

You added, 'when man fell', that's not what is written. You added that. Why? I thought you believe you shouldn't add to whats alreaded in the closed bible canon.

That includes all of Gods elect, all the animals, and the fish and every other natural thing. Satan and His Angels will never be reconcile because God never purposed to save any of them.

That's where many are extremly short-sighted, as was I until the Divine Father revealed more truth of what is going to happen. As Jesus said.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Jhn 16:13

Their fate is sealed, they are heading straight for the lake of fire to be eternally tormented in flames by God.

Please remember that when Adam fell, the whole natural world came under the same curse as we did. So the natural world will be redeemed, reconciles and made perfect as it was in the beginning. Have you noticed how hostile nature is towards our wicked race, it's always trying to kill us and poison us. The whole of nature groans under the weight of the curse we bought upon it.

Isn't this awesome! The whole of creation groans, calling out to its Creators to restore them. Its yet to be restored. But when will it happen?

For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now and waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God being subjected the same in hope of the glorious liberty of the children of God waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our bobody. Rom 8

So Paul was saying that all things which God purposed to reconcile shall be reconciled, but it's foolish to suggest that God will reconcile those He hates with an ternal hatred to Himself.

All of creation will be restored, every planet They designed, made and named. Yay!!! This may take a fairly long time. Fortunately we have that at our disposal. Forever, eternity and a never ending existence.

So if it takes 1000 years to restore planet earth and you multiply this by the amount of planets They created then the mind boggles. How long will this take?

It's super exciting to know our future role hey. To rule and reign as the governing authorities over planets, even galaxies. Wow!!

Our starting point being when we were chosen and redeemed and placed into Jesus's body and now being trained as apprentice rulers (kings and priests). Then when we have completed our training in this life we join Jesus as skilled, prepared, trained rulers in His 1000 year kindgom. What an incentive to submit now to our Authority, King Jesus and Great High Priest.

Those scriptures are meaningless, until you identify who they are speaking about. Who is called in one hope of their calling, are you suggesting that this was spoken to Satan and His Angels, if so you are gravely mistaken.

Who is the "one baptism" for, is it for Satan.

And who is the "and you all" referring to, is it Satan and His Angels????

It's all well and good to refer to verses of scripture, but you do great harm to the gospel is you misapply them.

I think I hear your concern. But rest assured that the good news of Christ will reach those who will accept it. For those They have predestined, specifically chosen for redemption from every tongue tribe people and nation WILL be reconciled. Humans from not only the 12 tribes of Israel, but every tribe on the planet. Yay! And these making up the bride of Christ who will marry Him and co-rule with Him in His upcoming 1000 year dynasty.

Again, He is still in the process of hand picking specific people to be His kings and priests who will govern with Him over this specific 1000 year period.

Every last person fulfilling Christ's every last objective over every last minute of that 1000 year period. It's all predetermined and I'm super excited to not only see all this happen but to be an active participant with my Redeemer throughout this period.

So I can't tell you how excited I am about what follows that! Oh to be with Father in the City Jesus is preparing for us at this very moment. To experience Father, to see Him as He is. WOW!

No wonder Paul said things like, For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. Rom 8:18

Then, for another post, the redemption, restoration and reconciliation of ALL of Their creatures in ALL Their creations.

 

[One 2 question]

Nice scriptures, but it's a shame they have no new revelations to give us. They were all spoken the the Apostles 2000 years ago and nothing new has ever been spoken or given since then. So it's back to the same old old bible we go, with nothing new discovered or received.

Nice try though

Do you ever wonder what Jesus meant when He said, Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

 

[One 2 question]

There are many words we use today which are not in the bible, but it doesn't mean that they don't exist. The word homosexual was only invented around 250 years ago so it's not in the bible but homosexuals existed in biblical times as well..
The word you used "creators" cannot be applied to God. Jesus is the person who created everything that exists, so your use of that word is incorrect.

So just to get some clarity here. You are saying that it is fine for you to add the word 'Holy Trinity' to the bible but I or anyone else can't add the word 'Creators' to describe the same? As both can't be found in the bible if you were to do a word search. Are we both wrong? Are we both right?

I think YOU don't apply the word Creators to Those Who made all things.

Equally, there are others who don't apply the word Holy Trinity to Those Who made all things.

You and they can make up whatever descriptive terms for Those Who made all things and I'm sure They would be delighted to be acknowledged by us.

 

[One 2 question]

Yes

Yes, I was trying to determined which of the 45,000 interpretations of the bible text you subscribe to. Nobody is disputing the words in the bible but everyone has their own private interpretation and nobody agrees with each other

It's interesting that so many have, as you said, has their own interpretation and nobody agrees with each other. And you concluded that, Nobody is disputing the words in the bible.

Being around various groups who identify as being Christian, for over 50 years now, I still find it intriguing that over the average time, of say 45 minutes for a sermon, 15 minutes of their sermon is 'words in the bible'. But the majority of the time and words are not. They are the speaker's own interpretation or opinion.

I haven't heard too many people question that but hey, I'm just One 2 question.

Maybe a solution (for you) would be to stop all the division and getting everyone to agree with eachother, is to just read the bible text then stop talking. It would shorten the times of every service. But then again, if everyone just read the bible texts at home before the service, then the services would be even shorter. That should please some at least.

 

[Christian Soldier]

The chosen and redeemed from every tongue, tribe people and nation. Definatly not Satan and his angels. They are the audience watch on and seeing the manifold wisdom of God play out.

Let Us make (create or bear) in Our image is the word.

Who said only Jesus did the creating? Who said His Father watched on. Who said the Spirit just watched on?

I certainly do.

Great

You added, 'when man fell', that's not what is written. You added that. Why? I thought you believe you shouldn't add to whats alreaded in the closed bible canon.

That's where many are extremly short-sighted, as was I until the Divine Father revealed more truth of what is going to happen. As Jesus said.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Jhn 16:13


Isn't this awesome! The whole of creation groans, calling out to its Creators to restore them. Its yet to be restored. But when will it happen?

For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now and waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God being subjected the same in hope of the glorious liberty of the children of God waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our bobody. Rom 8

All of creation will be restored, every planet They designed, made and named. Yay!!! This may take a fairly long time. Fortunately we have that at our disposal. Forever, eternity and a never ending existence.

So if it takes 1000 years to restore planet earth and you multiply this by the amount of planets They created then the mind boggles. How long will this take?

It's super exciting to know our future role hey. To rule and reign as the governing authorities over planets, even galaxies. Wow!!

Our starting point being when we were chosen and redeemed and placed into Jesus's body and now being trained as apprentice rulers (kings and priests). Then when we have completed our training in this life we join Jesus as skilled, prepared, trained rulers in His 1000 year kindgom. What an incentive to submit now to our Authority, King Jesus and Great High Priest.

I think I hear your concern. But rest assured that the good news of Christ will reach those who will accept it. For those They have predestined, specifically chosen for redemption from every tongue tribe people and nation WILL be reconciled. Humans from not only the 12 tribes of Israel, but every tribe on the planet. Yay! And these making up the bride of Christ who will marry Him and co-rule with Him in His upcoming 1000 year dynasty.

Again, He is still in the process of hand picking specific people to be His kings and priests who will govern with Him over this specific 1000 year period.

Every last person fulfilling Christ's every last objective over every last minute of that 1000 year period. It's all predetermined and I'm super excited to not only see all this happen but to be an active participant with my Redeemer throughout this period.

So I can't tell you how excited I am about what follows that! Oh to be with Father in the City Jesus is preparing for us at this very moment. To experience Father, to see Him as He is. WOW!

No wonder Paul said things like, For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. Rom 8:18

Then, for another post, the redemption, restoration and reconciliation of ALL of Their creatures in ALL Their creations.

Please stop adding lies to God's Word, god doesn't have many different elect's. He only elected to save a number of people, before He created the world. There are no other elect's as you foolishly claim, show me where God said He was going to save anyone else apart from His elect. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to show me because I know they don't exist, so stop making up lies.

John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

This scripture destroys your lie that Jesus is not the only creator, if you don't know that Jesus is the Word, then I suggest joy join a beginners bible class. All things were made by Him, "not them creators nonsense".

If you cared to connect the dots you would figure out the bleeding obvious that you don't reconcile and redeem something that was never lost so you statement is foolish. You don't believe that God sent His Son to suffer and die to reconcile and redeem His elect, who fell with father Adam.
Your pushing this blasphemous lie that He did it to save Satan and the Demons.

All of creation will be restored, except for Satan and His Demons and those who die in their sin. You either provide scriptures to refute that truth or you must humbly accept the fact that you are gravely mistaken.

There's no future 1000 year reign, because Christ is reigning right now. Maybe you're not reigning with Him but don't speak on my behalf because you don't know the truth of the matter, so speak for yourself.

To suggest that God created life on other planets, is a blatant lie from hell. Jesus told us exactly what He created, and sadly for you it doesn't include any abominations such as little green men on Mars.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Do you ever wonder what Jesus meant when He said, Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Thanks for remining me, I shouldn't have shared those verses with you after all. My bad

 

[Christian Soldier]

So just to get some clarity here. You are saying that it is fine for you to add the word 'Holy Trinity' to the bible but I or anyone else can't add the word 'Creators' to describe the same? As both can't be found in the bible if you were to do a word search. Are we both wrong? Are we both right?

I think YOU don't apply the word Creators to Those Who made all things.

Equally, there are others who don't apply the word Holy Trinity to Those Who made all things.

You and they can make up whatever descriptive terms for Those Who made all things and I'm sure They would be delighted to be acknowledged by us.

That's a bunch of nonsense, I told you that you don't have the right to apply descriptions to the Thrice Holy God. You don't find anything in the bible to support this "creators" nonsense, but you find tons of text describing the Godhead as Holy and existing as One God in three Persons, so I can apply Holy Trinity, but you can't apply that silly term of yours as it makes Gods Word sound silly.

The thrice Holy God is disgusted by untrue descriptions of Him, it's like calling him a buddy of yours, before He cast you into the lake of fire.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Yes

It's interesting that so many have, as you said, has their own interpretation and nobody agrees with each other. And you concluded that, Nobody is disputing the words in the bible.

Being around various groups who identify as being Christian, for over 50 years now, I still find it intriguing that over the average time, of say 45 minutes for a sermon, 15 minutes of their sermon is 'words in the bible'. But the majority of the time and words are not. They are the speaker's own interpretation or opinion.

I haven't heard too many people question that but hey, I'm just One 2 question.

Maybe a solution (for you) would be to stop all the division and getting everyone to agree with eachother, is to just read the bible text then stop talking. It would shorten the times of every service. But then again, if everyone just read the bible texts at home before the service, then the services would be even shorter. That should please some at least.

You missed my whole point, I was trying to say that nobody is disputing that the black and white words are in the book. Everyone can see the words written in black and white, but nobody agrees with what they are saying. Everyone twists them to make them say what they want them to say, nobody cares about what God was trying to say.

It's all about pride, we all want to prove to everyone that we're better and smarter then them. So God will be impressed by our wisdom and accept us into heaven, based on our academic ability to decode the bible, while those of lesser intelligence will be cast into the lake of fire as useless eaters.

I have a friend who is a Roman Catholic Priest, who said "the worst thing the Vatican ever did was release the bible into the hands of Joe public, because the public came back with 45,000 different interpretations and the Church disintegrated into 45,000 Denominations". So please don't give me this private interpretation nonsense. The Church is already smashed into pieces and you're promoting more smashing.

 

[One 2 question]

Please stop adding lies to God's Word, god doesn't have many different elect's. He only elected to save a number of people, before He created the world. There are no other elect's as you foolishly claim, show me where God said He was going to save anyone else apart from His elect. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to show me because I know they don't exist, so stop making up lies.

John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

This scripture destroys your lie that Jesus is not the only creator, if you don't know that Jesus is the Word, then I suggest joy join a beginners bible class. All things were made by Him, "not them creators nonsense".

If you cared to connect the dots you would figure out the bleeding obvious that you don't reconcile and redeem something that was never lost so you statement is foolish. You don't believe that God sent His Son to suffer and die to reconcile and redeem His elect, who fell with father Adam.
Your pushing this blasphemous lie that He did it to save Satan and the Demons.

All of creation will be restored, except for Satan and His Demons and those who die in their sin. You either provide scriptures to refute that truth or you must humbly accept the fact that you are gravely mistaken.

There's no future 1000 year reign, because Christ is reigning right now. Maybe you're not reigning with Him but don't speak on my behalf because you don't know the truth of the matter, so speak for yourself.

To suggest that God created life on other planets, is a blatant lie from hell. Jesus told us exactly what He created, and sadly for you it doesn't include any abominations such as little green men on Mars.

Just out of interest, what was Paul refering to when he said CREATION groans. Creation to you being?