Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[Wrangler]

My own form. You can't put me in a box. I base my beliefs on scripture

You claim X but speak a different language, refusing to define your terms. What a joke! What a Platonist joke!

 

[RLT63]

You claim X but speak a different language, refusing to define your terms. What a joke! What a Platonist joke!

There you go with personal attacks and disrespect again.
The marks of a man who has no argument.
The people who read this thread can decide who is a joke

 

[Aunty Jane]

So you have to be a theologian to get saved? Can’t have anything wrong, every detail must be perfect. Oops, theologians disagree, so being a theologian won’t save us. God help us find the right path, there are so many to choose from.
Too bad for people who were taught wrong through no fault of their own

RLT, We can all benefit from scholars and their work, but what we cannot do is use their works like a spiritual supermarket and go shopping to pick and choose what suits our own accepted beliefs…….so many do that and end up with their very own “religion”, basically shared by no one else, or by very few in a local group. That is not the Christianity that Jesus taught.

If the Jews needed to abandon that apostate religious system in the first century when Jesus began exposing their errors, which were so firmly established that the majority of the Jews clamored for the death of their own Messiah, doesn’t that tell you how strong an influence the devil can have on the majority?

Those indoctrinated by Christendom’s fragmented church system must have the same attitude as those who followed Jesus in the first century…they went against everything the apostate Jewish system had taught them, as they too were broken up into sects. All of those sects were proven to be in error and Jesus exposed them for the hypocritical frauds that they were.

What do we see today? History is repeating. The majority will again be on the wrong track and a hated minority will be out there in the world doing as Christ commanded and being hated for being different to themselves …..and teaching things they never knew, because the church system hid those truths for centuries.

Unlike Christendom and the Jewish system, Jesus had somewhere for those truth seekers to go…..one body of believers who had the truth, and who met together to fortify one another to remain strong against immense opposition (Heb 10:24-25)……but hated and persecuted for being right….not for being wrong. (John 15:18-21)

There is a big picture……what is it for you?

 

[RLT63]

There you go with personal attacks and disrespect again.
The marks of a man who has no argument.
The people who read this thread can decide who is a joke

(And I'm not a Platonist, I'm not trying to mix Christianity with anything else. I rely on the scriptures)

 

[Wrangler]

There you go with personal attacks and disrespect again.

Properly identifying your theology as platonist, where you refuse to define terms is neither disrespectful nor a personal attack.

I subscribe to Biblical Unitarianism, which is heretical to Christian orthodoxy, and embrace Aristotlean logic and epistemology of John Locke. This is proper identification of my theology and epistemology, not disrespectful nor a personal attack.

 

[amigo de christo]

I wish I could electronically ignore or filter out all posts with the INTERFAITH word in it.

It’s ridiculous how every thread, no matter the topic is fodder for you to make the same posts of truisms.

WAR IS BAD
FREEDOM IS GOOD
PRAISE GOD
INTERFAITH IS BAD.

War is bad
on that i do agree .
but you wanna know what is far more evil than war .
PREACHING A CHRIST DENYING solutoin for peace . OOPS guess ya didnt realize what satan is doing .
OH I KNOW war is bad
AND SO IS A CHRIST DENYING PEACE .
YOU DO REALIZE interfaith leaders actually TEACH that all the religoins now follow the same God we do .
NO NEED TO REPENT to BLEIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
HEY wrangler . You do realize satan can make something sound as though tis good for humanity
when really its meant for their death . IF NOT take a peek at the serpent at the tree .
WAR IS BAD
DENYING JESUS IS THE CHRIST IS WORSE .
You all for years and people like you have defended this religious interfaith junk
and when iwarned you and others said , OH HE ISJUST LOVING THEM and BRINGINGTHEM TO GOD .
WELL , GO AHEAD and lets look at what this so called interfiath and its popes
have told these lost lost religoins . LETS SEE IF they are really LOVING THEM TO GOD .

I NEVER ONCE heard that pope tell them OF THE NEED TO REPENT TO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
BUT What i did hear was this .
OH my GOD is not better than your god , we all coming to GOD in different ways . YA BEEN LIED TOO BUDDY .
THE lie of anti christ has come to take all not in the lambs book of life to the lie it calls love and says will bring world peace .
THE ONLY PEACE is gonna bring
IS , FOR WHEN THEY SHALL SAY PEACE N SAFETY , SUDDEN DESTRUCTION will be thier peace buddy . THEY GOING
under the wrath of GOD

 

[RLT63]

Properly identifying your theology as platonist, where you refuse to define terms is neither disrespectful nor a personal attack.

I subscribe to Biblical Unitarianism, which is heretical to Christian orthodoxy, and embrace Aristotlean logic and epistemology of John Locke. This is proper identification of my theology and epistemology, not disrespectful nor a personal attack.

I'm not Platonist. I'm not mixing Christianity with anything else or trying to reconcile it with philosophy or science.
Do you know what the word means?
This is just another attempt to slander me because you have been owned so many times lately

 

[RLT63]

Platonism is a philosophy that originated in ancient Greece and is based on the work of Plato. It's characterized by the belief that abstract objects exist in a realm separate from the physical world.

Key ideas

• • Abstract objects: Non-physical, non-spatial, and non-temporal objects that exist independently of the physical world
    
  • Eternal realities: Unchanging ideas that are the basis of true knowledge
    
  • Platonic realism: The idea that physical objects are imperfect copies of eternal ideas
    
  • Innate knowledge: The idea that knowledge is innate and that the soul remembers its prior familiarity with the ideas
    
  • Human life: The belief that the quality of human life is important, and that it's ethical, religious, and sometimes political
    

History

• • Plato founded Platonism around 387 B.C.
  • Plato's philosophy was originally expressed in his dialogues
  • Platonism has had a profound effect on Western thought

Applications

• • Platonism has been adopted in education, where it's the basis for the idea that education should be related to innate ideas
  • Platonism has been used to explain goodness, beauty, and mathematical ideas

 

[Wrangler]

I'm not Platonist.

I'm not mixing Christianity with anything else.

You may not realize your theology is contaminated by Greek ideas, such as 3 in 1 god and the Phoenix, who rises by his own power, from the ashes of death. But most of all, how you hide your ideas.

Do you know what the word means?

I sure do. From Definition of PLATONIST
the philosophy of Plato stressing especially that actual things are copies of transcendent ideas and that these ideas are the objects of true knowledge apprehended by reminiscence

 

[RLT63]

You may not realize your theology is contaminated by Greek ideas, such as 3 in 1 god and the Phoenix, who rises by his own power, from the ashes of death. But most of all, how you hide your ideas.


I sure do. From Definition of PLATONIST
the philosophy of Plato stressing especially that actual things are copies of transcendent ideas and that these ideas are the objects of true knowledge apprehended by reminiscence

So if you believe people have a soul you are Platonist?

 

[RLT63]

Plato strongly believed in the soul, considering it the source of life and the mind, and further arguing that the soul is immortal and exists separately from the body, capable of living on after death; this is most prominently explained in his dialogue "Phaedo" where he presents arguments for the soul's immortality.

Key points about Plato's view on the soul:

• Tripartite Soul:
  Plato famously divided the soul into three parts: the rational (reasoning), spirited (emotions), and appetitive (desires).
  
  
• Realm of Forms:
  Plato believed the soul could access the "Realm of Forms" where perfect and eternal ideas exist, which is why he considered the soul to be immortal.
  
  

 

[RLT63]

You may not realize your theology is contaminated by Greek ideas, such as 3 in 1 god and the Phoenix, who rises by his own power, from the ashes of death. But most of all, how you hide your ideas.


I sure do. From Definition of PLATONIST
the philosophy of Plato stressing especially that actual things are copies of transcendent ideas and that these ideas are the objects of true knowledge apprehended by reminiscence

You don't know what all my beliefs are and I don't have to explain them to you.
If you want to wear yours on your sleeve you're free to do so.

 

[Wrangler]

You don't know what all my beliefs are

I don’t have to know all. You adhere to trinitarianism. That’s all I need to know in this thread (regardless of its Platonist ‘form’ or subcategory).

 

[RLT63]

I don’t have to know all. You adhere to trinitarianism. That’s all I need to know in this thread (regardless of its Platonist ‘form’ or subcategory).

Okay. After all you are the world's foremost authority on it

 

[RLT63]

So if you believe people have a soul you are Platonist?

Never answered

 

[RLT63]

Properly identifying your theology as platonist, where you refuse to define terms is neither disrespectful nor a personal attack.

I subscribe to Biblical Unitarianism, which is heretical to Christian orthodoxy, and embrace Aristotlean logic and epistemology of John Locke. This is proper identification of my theology and epistemology, not disrespectful nor a personal attack.

You follow the father of liberalism but you are a Trump supporter?

 

[APAK]

@Wrangler I think that RLT63 is bowling gutter balls right now and cannot see the pins of the goal/subject at hand....he might need sometime to regroup

 

[Wrangler]

You follow the father of liberalism but you are a Trump supporter?

Yes. Semantics seems to be something you trip over time and again.

There is Classic Liberal, from the 18th century, which formed the basis of our Constitution of citizen government, individual liberty, protected by federalism by dividing power, and equality in a pluralistic society.

Then there is today’s totalitarian Leftists who promote ‘diversity’ via Cultural Marxism, except the only diversity that matter, diversity of thought, that co-opts the term, “liberal.”

Yes, I am supporting the Classical Liberal, Donald Trump, who is returning power to the people from the global totalitarian Leftists who also have a problem with semantics, abusing it to manipulate.

 

[RLT63]

Yes. Semantics seems to be something you trip over time and again.

There is Classic Liberal, from the 18th century, which formed the basis of our Constitution of citizen government, individual liberty, protected by federalism by dividing power, and equality in a pluralistic society.

Then there is today’s totalitarian Leftists who promote ‘diversity’ via Cultural Marxism, except the only diversity that matter, diversity of thought, that co-opts the term, “liberal.”

Yes, I am supporting the Classical Liberal, Donald Trump, who is returning power to the people from the global totalitarian Leftists who also have a problem with semantics, abusing it to manipulate.

I know Locke supported limited government and individual rights and freedom.
I still wouldn't want to be known as the father of liberalism

 

[APAK]

F2F suddenly became an unmember of this site...for what I wonder....got lots of reports of the bad kind I guess from insecure folks that cannot hear a person out, without losing it...and crying about it to Mummy......