Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

[Lambano]

You quoted Revelation in a previous post.
Obviously the "souls underneath the altar" had spiritual bodies.
Otherwise, what's to see?

My point was that that Bible does not present a single coherent view on the subject of the afterlife.

 

[St. SteVen]

What does "spiritually dead" and "spiritually alive" mean? Physical life as a metaphor for - for what?

Physical life isn't a metaphor, it's a reality. Physical death is inevitable, not metaphorical. (as I understand it)
Is the death in the scripture below physical, or spiritual?

Ephesians 2:1-2 NIV
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,
2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world
and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is
now at work in those who are disobedient.

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[St. SteVen]

My point was that that Bible does not present a single coherent view on the subject of the afterlife.

I agree.

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[St. SteVen]

1 Corinthians 15 is all about Resurrection. What is the nature of the Resurrection body? Where does it exist? What properties does it have?

Think it through.

How will we stand before the Judgement seat of Christ if we have no bodies?
Who will be held accountable for our deeds if we have no soul?

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[Lambano]

Physical life isn't a metaphor, it's a reality. Physical death is inevitable, not metaphorical. (as I understand it)
Is the death in the scripture below physical, or spiritual?

Ephesians 2:1-2 NIV
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,
2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world
and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is
now at work in those who are disobedient.

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Exactly. Physical life and physical death are used here as a metaphor to explain a more abstract truth.

 

[Lambano]

How will we stand before the Judgement seat of Christ if we have no bodies?

That's what resurrection is for.

 

[St. SteVen]

Exactly. Physical life and physical death are used here as a metaphor to explain a more abstract truth.

How is it that we were dead in our transgressions and sins? What are we now?

Ephesians 2:1-2 NIV
As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins,
2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world
and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is
now at work in those who are disobedient.

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[St. SteVen]

That's what resurrection is for.

What is resurrected? And from where?

What is the realm of the dead? (where you are going)

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[Lambano]

How is it that we were dead in our transgressions and sins? What are we now?

What is "dead" a metaphor for here? What would its opposite, "life", represent?

 

[Lambano]

What is the realm of the dead? (where you are going)

Uh oh. Better watch my back.

 

[Lambano]

What is resurrected? And from where?

What is the realm of the dead? (where you are going)

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Indeed, what does lie beyond this life?

 

[St. SteVen]

What is "dead" a metaphor for here?

Not a metaphor. The reality of spiritual death that we inherited from Adam.
On the day you eat thereof, you will surely die.

How was it that they died that day? Physically, or spiritually?

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[St. SteVen]

Indeed, what does lie beyond this life?

The afterlife.

That's why they call it the afterlife. - LOL

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[Lambano]

My point was that that Bible does not present a single coherent view on the subject of the afterlife.

I agree.

I knew you would.

 

[Lambano]

Not a metaphor. The reality of spiritual death that we inherited from Adam.
On the day you eat thereof, you will surely die.

How was it that they died that day? Physically, or spiritually?

We're still talking past each other. "Spirituality" is an abstract concept. The author is using the well-known concept of physical life and death to describe the abstract. This is how language is used.

 

[Lambano]

Remember, I'm an engineer. I deal in stuff you can see and test and measure. "Spiritual death" is something that you can't put the oscilloscope probes on. I also have to write and interpret specs, so understanding how language is used is important. You're a song writer. How language is used is what you deal in.

 

[St. SteVen]

We're still talking past each other. "Spirituality" is an abstract concept. The author is using the well-known concept of physical life and death to describe the abstract. This is how language is used.

Have you not been born again? Born (reborn) of the Spirit?
In my experience there is nothing abstract about it.
I was made (remade) from the inside out. I highly recommend it.

[ cc: @Ritajanice

 

[St. SteVen]

Remember, I'm an engineer. I deal in stuff you can see and test and measure. "Spiritual death" is something that you can't put the oscilloscope probes on. I also have write and interpret specs, so understanding how language is used is important. You're song writer. How language is used is what you deal in.

When I enter the church building I can feel the tangible presence of God surrounding me.
I have been in services where it was so thick, you could cut it with a knife.
As I walked toward the front of the sanctuary it was like entering a pool of warm water.
I have been overcome to the point of being weak in the knees. And even collapsing on the floor at times.
I highly recommend it.

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[Ritajanice]

Have you not been born again? Born (reborn) of the Spirit?
In my experience there is nothing abstract about it.
I was made (remade) from the inside out. I highly recommend it.

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Amen!

Me too....we know when our spirit has been Born Again....there is no “ doubting “ the Living testimony ....who testifies with our spirit that we are children of God...taken up permanent residence in our spirit...

It blew our socks off LOL....Praise God.

 

[Ritajanice]

When I enter the church building I can feel the tangible presence of God surrounding me.

Does this happen every Sunday?..at church.

I have been in services where it was so thick, you could cut it with a knife.
As I walked toward the front of the sanctuary it was like entering a pool of warm water.
I have been overcome to the point of being weak in the knees. And even collapsing on the floor at times.
I highly recommend it.

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