When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

[covenantee]

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


Obviously, He doesn't have the first century in mind here.

Obviously Paul doesn't agree with you.

Romans 1
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Colossians 1
5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
6 Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

 

[Truth7t7]

All Prophetic words of GOD stay in Motion(Relevant) until ALL things are fulfilled.

Has absolutely nothing to do with claims of "Dual Prophecy" fulfillment

 

[Truth7t7]

You clearly are not interested in adult discussion. You can't even answer simple questions. I'm not wasting any more time on you. If you ever grow up, let me know and then we can talk again.

Truth7t7 is the child and Spiritual Israelite is the adult Big Smiles!

Sounds like a person who has been beat down with biblical truth and has resorted to personal attacks, because their gas tank in false doctrines is on empty, Big Smiles Again!

Spiritual Israelite claims Matthew 24:21 "70AD" & Matthew 24:29 "Future" are two completely different tribulations, separated by roughly 2,000 years and waiting, now that's a bunch of Malarkey!

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition

malarkey/mə-lär′kē/

noun​

1. Exaggerated or foolish talk, usually intended to deceive.
2. Nonsense; rubbish.
3. Empty rhetoric or insincere or exaggerated talk.

 

[covenantee]

My Holy Bible doesn't teach of 70AD fulfillment in Roman Armies concerning Matthew Chapter 24, my Bible doesn't teach of Christians fleeing into mountains in 70AD

My Holy Bible doesn't teach of your imagination.

But undeniable history teaches of my Holy Bible.

What to believe?

1. Your imagination
2. Undeniable history

Hint?

 

[David in NJ]

Has absolutely nothing to do with "Dual Prophecy" fulfillment

You speak from the mouth/heart of unbelief = via religion

The Mouth of GOD only Speaks Truth = Dual Prophecy Truth = the Wisdom of God = Daniel ch9 , Matthew ch24 , and more

All Prophetic words of GOD stay in Motion(Relevant) until ALL things are fulfilled.

 

[Truth7t7]

My Holy Bible doesn't teach of your imagination.

But undeniable history teaches of my Holy Bible.

What to believe?

1. Your imagination
2. Undeniable history

Hint?

The account of 70AD in Roman armies in Jerusalem is provided by (Flavius Josephus) who was a military leader and Jewish traitor to his people, he defected to the Roman Emperor of the time and was his high priest in propaganda, being given wives and a palace to live in, he was comparable to Hitlers Joseph Goebbles

As I have shared several times, Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming Are Future Events "Unfulfilled"

I stick with God's Holy Words that are sufficient for teaching and knowledge in righteousness

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Truth7t7]

You speak from the mouth/heart of unbelief = via religion

The Mouth of GOD only Speaks Truth = Dual Prophecy Truth = the Wisdom of God = Daniel ch9 , Matthew ch24 , and more

All Prophetic words of GOD stay in Motion(Relevant) until ALL things are fulfilled.

You have written many words in your opinion above, but you give no biblical examples of dual prophecy fulfillment "Why"?

Answer: Because your claims don't exist in scripture

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

My Holy Bible doesn't teach of your imagination.

But undeniable history teaches of my Holy Bible.

What to believe?

1. Your imagination
2. Undeniable history

Hint?

Apparently, history went on pause and nothing happened after 60 AD or so. Are we really here or just figments of our imagination? When will history continue again?

 

[covenantee]

The account of 70AD in Roman armies in Jerusalem is provided by (Flavius Josephus) who was a military leader and Jewish traitor to his people, he defected to the Roman Emperor of the time and was his high priest in propaganda, being given wives and a palace to live in, he was comparable to Hitlers Joseph Goebbles

As I have shared several times, Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming Are Future Events "Unfulfilled"

I stick with God's Holy Words that are sufficient for teaching and knowledge in righteousness

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

The account of the Judaean Christians' flight is given by Eusebius of Caesarea, acclaimed Father of Church History:

The people of the Church in Jerusalem were commanded by an oracle given by revelation before the war to those in the city who were worthy of it to depart and dwell in one of the cities of Perea which they called Pella. To it those who believed on Christ traveled from Jerusalem, so that when holy men had altogether deserted the royal capital of the Jews and the whole land of Judaea…”

— Eusebius, Church History 3, 5, 3

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. Eusebius of Caesarea, acclaimed Father of Church History

Hint?

 

[David in NJ]

You have written many words in your opinion above, but you give no biblical examples of dual prophecy fulfillment "Why"?

Answer: Because your claims don't exist in scripture

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

The Mouth of GOD only Speaks Truth = Dual Prophecy Truth = the Wisdom of God = Daniel ch9 , Matthew ch24 , and more

All Prophetic words of GOD stay in Motion(Relevant) until ALL things are fulfilled.

 

[David in NJ]

@Truth7t7

More Dual Prophecy Scripture = the 7 Churches in Revelation

All Prophetic words of GOD stay in Motion(Relevant) until ALL things are fulfilled.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Truth7t7

More Dual Prophecy Scripture = the 7 Churches in Revelation

All Prophetic words of GOD stay in Motion(Relevant) until ALL things are fulfilled.

Those were 7 actual churches in the ancient Roman province of Asia. There is no dual fulfillment there. Where does this end? You can just make any prophecy a dual fulfillment prophecy if it suits your doctrine. Sad.

 

[David in NJ]

You have written many words in your opinion above, but you give no biblical examples of dual prophecy fulfillment "Why"?

Answer: Because your claims don't exist in scripture

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

In the Love of Jesus, that you have in your heart, do this = Matthew 4:4

Shalom

 

[Truth7t7]

The account of the Judaean Christians' flight is given by Eusebius of Caesarea, acclaimed Father of Church History:

The people of the Church in Jerusalem were commanded by an oracle given by revelation before the war to those in the city who were worthy of it to depart and dwell in one of the cities of Perea which they called Pella. To it those who believed on Christ traveled from Jerusalem, so that when holy men had altogether deserted the royal capital of the Jews and the whole land of Judaea…”

— Eusebius, Church History 3, 5, 3

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. Eusebius of Caesarea, acclaimed Father of Church History

Hint?

(Eusebius) was worse than (Flavius Josephus) when it came to kissing the Emperor's ring

I'll stick with my good ole KJV Holy Bible!

Wikipedia: Ecclesiastical History (Eusebius)
The accuracy of Eusebius's account has often been called into question. In the 5th century, the Christian historian Socrates Scholasticus described Eusebius as writing for "rhetorical finish" in his Vita Constantini ("Life of Constantine") and for the "praises of the Emperor" rather than the "accurate statement of facts."[a] The methods of Eusebius were criticised by Edward Gibbon in the 18th century.[11] In the 19th century Jacob Burckhardt viewed Eusebius as a liar, the "first thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity."[12] Ramsay MacMullen in the 20th century regarded Eusebius's work as representative of early Christian historical accounts in which "Hostile writings and discarded views were not recopied or passed on, or they were actively suppressed... matters discreditable to the faith were to be consigned to silence."[13] As a consequence this kind of methodology in MacMullen's view has distorted modern attempts, (e.g. Harnack, Nock, and Gustave Bardy), to describe how the Church grew in the early centuries.[14] Arnaldo Momigliano wrote that in Eusebius's mind "chronology was something between an exact science and an instrument of propaganda".[15]

 

[Truth7t7]

Those were 7 actual churches in the ancient Roman province of Asia. There is no dual fulfillment there. Where does this end? You can just make any prophecy a dual fulfillment prophecy if it suits your doctrine. Sad.

Sorta like claiming one tribulation is two different one's and throwing a 2,000 year gap inbetween the two to suit your doctrine (Pot, Kettle, Black)

 

[Dave Watchman]

So, how can you think that a concept that no one believed in the first 5,000+ years (dual fulfillment) since Bible prophecies first began can possibly be true?

Back that long ago they didn't know Israel would become a nation again. Then they would recapture Jerusalem again, and another decree would be issued to restore and to rebuild it.

And back that long ago they might not have realized a second coming of Christ would be necessary. But since there is, both timelines needed to be embedded within that enigmatic text.

When you find this it's not as radical of an idea as what your friend is suggesting with the weeks being in literal time.

Why would it take that long for someone to discover that?

They needed to find the timeline first to be able to recognize it. Newton saw the 1535 Ottoman decree in the middle ages. It validated, and confirmed his thoughts on why Gabriel separated the 7 and 62.

"Thus have we in this short Prophecy, a prediction of all the main periods relating to the coming of the Messiah; the time of his birth, that of his death, that of the rejection of the Jews, duration of the Jewish war whereby he caused the city and sanctuary to be destroyed, and the time of his second coming: and so the interpretation here given is more full and complete and adequate to the design, than if we should restrain it to his first coming only, as Interpreters usually do. We avoid also the doing violence to the language of Daniel, by taking the seven weeks and sixty two weeks for one number. Had that been Daniel's meaning, he would have said sixty and nine weeks, and not seven weeks and sixty two weeks, a way of numbring used by no nation." - Isaac Newton.​

I think that's ridiculous. Where does scripture itself teach such a concept?

Other people are watching it. Christian Widener thinks it's 1537. I need to default to the earliest date.

There's an English translation of Daniel 9 that writes it like it was written by Daniel. Moshe Cohen talks about it. He thinks one of the sets of 70 weeks is talking about the Babylonian captivity. He doesn't see it being about the 2 modern day commands to restore Jerusalem. But it makes logical sense as the two modern decrees are 62 weeks apart. And it stands to reason that since there would be two comings of Christ, the 7 and 62 weeks would be interchangeable with His second coming.

If it makes you happy don't call it a dual prophecy. Call it a single prophecy, but with a dual prophetic timeline.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Back that long ago they didn't know Israel would become a nation again. Then they would recapture Jerusalem again, and another decree would be issued to restore and to rebuild it.

And back that long ago they might not have realized a second coming of Christ would be necessary. But since there is, both timelines needed to be embedded within that enigmatic text.

When you find this it's not as radical of an idea as what your friend is suggesting with the weeks being in literal time.

He's not my friend and both views are completely ludicrous, in my opinion.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sorta like claiming one tribulation is two different one's and throwing a 2,000 year gap inbetween the two to suit your doctrine (Pot, Kettle, Black)

Go away, stalker.

 

[Truth7t7]

He's not my friend and both views are completely ludicrous, in my opinion.

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[covenantee]

(Eusebius) was worse than (Flavius Josephus) when it came to kissing the Emperor's ring

I'll stick with my good ole KJV Holy Bible!

Wikipedia: Ecclesiastical History (Eusebius)
The accuracy of Eusebius's account has often been called into question. In the 5th century, the Christian historian Socrates Scholasticus described Eusebius as writing for "rhetorical finish" in his Vita Constantini ("Life of Constantine") and for the "praises of the Emperor" rather than the "accurate statement of facts."[a] The methods of Eusebius were criticised by Edward Gibbon in the 18th century.[11] In the 19th century Jacob Burckhardt viewed Eusebius as a liar, the "first thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity."[12] Ramsay MacMullen in the 20th century regarded Eusebius's work as representative of early Christian historical accounts in which "Hostile writings and discarded views were not recopied or passed on, or they were actively suppressed... matters discreditable to the faith were to be consigned to silence."[13] As a consequence this kind of methodology in MacMullen's view has distorted modern attempts, (e.g. Harnack, Nock, and Gustave Bardy), to describe how the Church grew in the early centuries.[14] Arnaldo Momigliano wrote that in Eusebius's mind "chronology was something between an exact science and an instrument of propaganda".[15]

The only thing you stick with is your hyperactive imagination.

While no historian is infallible, Eusebius is widely recognized and acclaimed as the Father of Church History.

You're not.

His contribution to historical orthodox Christianity is undeniable.

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. Eusebius, Father of Church History

Hint?