When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

[David in NJ]

Hmm. They were not hard questions and it shouldn't take long to answer, but, sure, we can wait til tomorrow.

You already have one of the dual prophecies of God in Matthew chapter 24 , Luke ch21

Here is another one = the prophecies against Babylon

Here is a Third = Dual prophecy of Messiah = Daniel chapter 9

There are quite a few

@covenantee and @Truth7t7

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You already have one of the dual prophecies of God in Matthew chapter 24 , Luke ch21

It's not, but I obviously already knew you claim that one.

Here is another one = the prophecies against Babylon

Please explain this. I'm not going to just take your word for it. Which prophecies against Babylon exactly do you think have a dual fulfillment?

Here is a Third = Dual prophecy of Messiah = Daniel chapter 9

Please explain this.

There are quite a few

No, there are none. This kind of thinking can lead to people just making scripture say whatever they want it to say and can lead to people not accepting the complete fulfillment of any prophecy.

@covenantee and @Truth7t7

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The truth has hit a nerve,

No, your extreme childishness annoys me. And many others, too.

yes you're a preterist concerning events in the Olivet discourse namely your belief in Matthew 24:21 taking place in 70AD

LOL. And you're a preterist concerning the first coming of Christ and His death and resurrection. We are fellow preterists! Yay!

Your icing on the cake is the false claim a 2,000 year gap is seen between Matthew 24:21 "70AD" and Matthew 24:29 "Future" and waiting, trying to falsely create two different tribulations in propping up your false preterist beliefs in 70AD fulfillment of Matthew 24:21

LOL. You falsely deny that there are periods of time referred to which occur after that tribulation occurs. You have Jews being taken captive to all nations for no reason whatsoever since they end up being killed while being taken captive or shortly after arriving to their new home. And you have no understanding of "the times of the Gentiles" which continue after the tribulation of Matthew 24:15-21, Mark 13:14-19 and Luke 21:20-24a. The times of the Gentiles refer to the times when the Gentiles trample on the desolated Jerusalem with no temple which began in 70 AD is still going on today.

And, you just ignore that Jesus indicated that what He described in Matthew 24:23-26 occurs after the tribulation described in the previous verses is over.

The only wool pulled over eyes is your own, you have fooled nobody regarding your false preterist teachings and beliefs in 70AD fulfillment

LOL. That is true. You are nobody and you think I haven't fooled you even though I'm not fooling anyone, but instead telling the truth. But, many others see this as I do, so it's ridiculous to act as if I'm the only one. A vast majority of those who see this as you do are Premills.

 

[covenantee]

You already have one of the dual prophecies of God in Matthew chapter 24 , Luke ch21

Here is another one = the prophecies against Babylon

Here is a Third = Dual prophecy of Messiah = Daniel chapter 9

There are quite a few

@covenantee and @Truth7t7

What purpose does a past/future dual fulfillment serve when the past fulfillment is indisputable?

For example, Matthew 24:16, the past flight of the Judaean Christians, is indisputable.

So what purpose does a second future fulfillment of that event serve?

 

[Truth7t7]

Not yet. We were talking about it on another forum. Right now there's only one recorded fulfillment, some of us are just now waiting for His Second fulfilment.

Isaac Newton was the first I know of who ever wrote of it in his Daniel 9 commentary. He got the idea first. That was somewhere in the 1700's. It was where he was considering the reasons why the heptads, the "weeks", were split up as seven, and sixty two. Not just written as 69 weeks. How Daniel 9 must have an application to both comings of Messiah the Prince.

"The former part of the Prophecy related to the first coming of Christ, being dated to his coming as a Prophet; this being dated to his coming to be Prince or King, seems to relate to his second coming. There, the Prophet was consummate, and the most holy anointed: here, he that was anointed comes to be Prince and to reign. For Daniel's Prophecies reach to the end of the world; and there is scarce a Prophecy in the Old Testament concerning Christ, which doth not in something or other relate to his second coming." - Isaac Newton​

Right now you're right, because there's not yet been a second fulfillment. But Daniel 9 is the only place which sets out the timing in great detail for the coming of the Son of Man. And we must be in agreement that Christ is making two visitations. The things Newton suggested we be looking for, appear to be here now. Timed out in 7 and 62 week intervals.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Sir Issac Newton was a British Occultist heavily involved in the Occultic Kabbalah and Alchemy, he is said to be a leader in the UK royal society and brought Occultic freemasonry out public in 1717

Sir Issac's theory concerning the prophecy of Daniel being weeks of years is 100% "False"

Daniel 9:24KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel's "Future" weeks are literal days, or 490 days, if Daniel meant years he would have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) he didn't

The command to build the wall/street in Jerusalem is "Future" that will start the 70 literal weeks

"Messiah Cut Off" is "Future" when armies surround Jerusalem as Daniel's AOD takes place in the 70th future 7 day week in completion of Daniels 70 weeks or 490 literal days

After this 70 week completion, the 3.5 year tribulation starts, it's that simple

This teaching of weeks of years found it's entrance in the church largely surrounding the writing of occultist "Sir Issac Newton" in his 1726 book (Observation Upon The Prophecies Of Daniel, And The Apocalypse Of St. John) chapter 10 as seen below

The Weeks Of Years Teaching Presented Is From Occultist "Sir Issac Newton" As Seen Below, Heavily Involved In The Occultic Kabbalah And Its Numerology, Also Occultic Rosicrucianism And Alchemy

Yes It's These Writings Of "Sir Issac Newton" That Entered The Church In 1726AD, That Claims The Day/Year Teaching Regarding Daniel's 70 Weeks Being 490 Years

Wikipedia: Issac Newton Occult Studies

Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel/Part I Chap X
Seventy weeks are cut out upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, to finish transgression, &c. Here, by putting a week for seven years, are reckoned 490 years from the time that the dispersed Jews should be re-incorporated into a people and a holy city, until the death and resurrection of Christ; whereby transgression should be finished, and sins ended, iniquity be expiated, and everlasting righteousness brought in, and this Vision be accomplished, and the Prophet consummated, that Prophet whom the Jews expected; and whereby the most Holy should be anointed, he who is therefore in the next words called the Anointed, that is, the Messiah, or the Christ. For by joining the accomplishment of the vision with the expiation of sins, the 490 years are ended with the death of Christ. Now the dispersed Jews became a people and city when they first returned into a polity or body politick; and this was in the seventh year of Artaxerxes Longimanus, when Ezra returned with a body of Jews from captivity, and revived the Jewish worship; and by the King's commission created Magistrates in all the land, to judge and govern the people according to the laws of God and the King, Ezra vii. 25. There were but two returns from captivity, Zerubbabel's and Ezra's; in Zerubbabel's they had only commission to build the Temple, in Ezra's they first became a polity or city by a government of their own. Now the years of this Artaxerxes began about two or three months after the summer solstice, and his seventh year fell in with the third year of the eightieth Olympiad; and the latter part thereof, wherein Ezra went up to Jerusalem, was in the year of the Julian Period 4257. Count the time from thence to the death of Christ, and you will find it just 490 years. If you count in Judaic years commencing in autumn, and date the reckoning from the first autumn after Ezra's coming to Jerusalem, when he put the King's decree in execution; the death of Christ will fall on the year of the Julian Period 4747, Anno Domini 34; and the weeks will be Judaic weeks, ending with sabbatical years; and this I take to be the truth: but if you had rather place the death of Christ in the year before, as is commonly done, you may take the year of Ezra's journey into the reckoning.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not yet. We were talking about it on another forum. Right now there's only one recorded fulfillment, some of us are just now waiting for His Second fulfilment.

Isaac Newton was the first I know of who ever wrote of it in his Daniel 9 commentary. He got the idea first. That was somewhere in the 1700's. It was where he was considering the reasons why the heptads, the "weeks", were split up as seven, and sixty two. Not just written as 69 weeks. How Daniel 9 must have an application to both comings of Messiah the Prince.

"The former part of the Prophecy related to the first coming of Christ, being dated to his coming as a Prophet; this being dated to his coming to be Prince or King, seems to relate to his second coming. There, the Prophet was consummate, and the most holy anointed: here, he that was anointed comes to be Prince and to reign. For Daniel's Prophecies reach to the end of the world; and there is scarce a Prophecy in the Old Testament concerning Christ, which doth not in something or other relate to his second coming." - Isaac Newton​

Right now you're right, because there's not yet been a second fulfillment. But Daniel 9 is the only place which sets out the timing in great detail for the coming of the Son of Man. And we must be in agreement that Christ is making two visitations. The things Newton suggested we be looking for, appear to be here now. Timed out in 7 and 62 week intervals.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained, they're "Future" literal weeks

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the future armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building. Luke 21:24, Rev 11:2

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 42 month tribulation starts at this time of his revealing.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Not yet. We were talking about it on another forum. Right now there's only one recorded fulfillment, some of us are just now waiting for His Second fulfilment.

Isaac Newton was the first I know of who ever wrote of it in his Daniel 9 commentary. He got the idea first. That was somewhere in the 1700's

So, how can you think that a concept that no one believed in the first 5,000+ years (dual fulfillment) since Bible prophecies first began can possibly be true? Why would it take that long for someone to discover that? I think that's ridiculous. Where does scripture itself teach such a concept? Nowhere.

 

[Truth7t7]

What purpose does a past/future dual fulfillment serve when the past fulfillment is indisputable?

For example, Matthew 24:16, the past flight of the Judaean Christians, is indisputable.

So what purpose does a second future fulfillment of that event serve?

70AD Christians in Judea had absolutely nothing to do with fulfillment of Matthew 24:16 "NADA"

 

[David in NJ]

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained, they're "Future" literal weeks

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the future armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see (The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time of his revealing.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Do you believe the 70 weeks are for the 'future'?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

70AD Christians in Judea had absolutely nothing to do with fulfillment of Matthew 24:16 "NADA"

Setting that aside for a minute...do you believe that Christians in Judea had to flee to the mountains around 70 AD in order to avoid being caught up in the tribulation and wrath that was going on there in order to avoid being killed or taken captive? Just curious if you do believe that happened, but just don't believe it is prophesied anywhere.

 

[Davidpt]

In the Discourse, is Jesus all over the place? Where one minute He is talking about first century events, then the next minute He is talking about events involving His 2nd coming, then the next minute He is once again talking about 1st century events? So on and so on.

An example.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


Obviously, He doesn't have the first century in mind here.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.


But when we get to this portion a lot of interpreters take this to be involving the 1st century leading up to 70 AD. What does anything involving the first century have to do with what He was just talking about in verse 14? What is the connection? What verse 14 is involving, 70 AD would be at least 2000 years in the past at this point, therefore, no longer relevant. Why would Jesus then be focusing on first century events again?

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

But when we get to this portion some of these same interpreters take this to be involving the end of this age where the 2nd coming is at the doors. Which means Jesus has shifted gears yet again. Now He is no longer speaking of 1st century events, now He is once again speaking of things that fit with what He was speaking about in verse 14.

Another example, this time only applicable to Preterists.

Matthew 24:32 ¶Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


Though, Preterists disagree, the context is pertaining to the final days of this age and the end of this age. Except Preterists deny that that is the context. It doesn't matter if they deny it. That's not how truth works. Truth is truth, denying the truth in no way makes it not the truth. And since the context is the final days of this age and the end of this age, Preterists then have Jesus talking about the end of the age in verses 32, 33, 35, and 36, then have Him talking about first century events in verse 34. This according to the text.

I know that's not their view, I'm not saying it is. I'm going strictly by the text and what it would logically mean per their interpretation of verse 34, that Jesus is all over the place here and that Jesus simply can't stick to the subject at hand, that the final days of this age and the end of this age is in view here, not any events involving the first century as well. The same is true in regards to my first example pertaining to verse 14. The subject at hand is not first century events. Which means if some interpreters are correct that verses 15-21 involves first century events, this is yet another example where Jesus is unable to stick to the subject at hand. That He's all over the place here, sowing nothing but confusion if true.

 

[Truth7t7]

Setting that aside for a minute...do you believe that Christians in Judea had to flee to the mountains around 70 AD in order to avoid being caught up in the tribulation and wrath that was going on there in order to avoid being killed or taken captive? Just curious if you do believe that happened, but just don't believe it is prophesied anywhere.

The account of 70AD in Roman armies in Jerusalem is provided by (Flavius Josephus) who was a military leader and Jewish traitor to his people, he defected to the Roman Emperor of the time and was his high priest in propaganda, being given wives and a palace to live in, he was comparable to Hitlers Joseph Goebbles

As I have shared several times, Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming Are Future Events "Unfulfilled"

I stick with God's Holy Words that are sufficient for teaching and knowledge in righteousness

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, your extreme childishness annoys me. And many others, too.

The truth annoys you, two different tribulations separated bt 2,000 years and waiting doesn't exist in Matthew Chapter 24 as you falsely claim

LOL. And you're a preterist concerning the first coming of Christ and His death and resurrection. We are fellow preterists! Yay!

Has absolutely nothing to do with the "Olivet Discourse" in Matthew Chapter 24 that's the topic, in your desperation you're trying to divert away from the topic

LOL. You falsely deny that there are periods of time referred to which occur after that tribulation occurs. You have Jews being taken captive to all nations for no reason whatsoever since they end up being killed while being taken captive or shortly after arriving to their new home. And you have no understanding of "the times of the Gentiles" which continue after the tribulation of Matthew 24:15-21, Mark 13:14-19 and Luke 21:20-24a. The times of the Gentiles refer to the times when the Gentiles trample on the desolated Jerusalem with no temple which began in 70 AD is still going on today.

And, you just ignore that Jesus indicated that what He described in Matthew 24:23-26 occurs after the tribulation described in the previous verses is over.


LOL. That is true. You are nobody and you think I haven't fooled you even though I'm not fooling anyone, but instead telling the truth. But, many others see this as I do, so it's ridiculous to act as if I'm the only one. A vast majority of those who see this as you do are Premills.

You ignore the fact that the generation that witnesses the great tribulation in Matthew 24:21 will also be the generation that witnesses the Lord's second coming in Matthew 24:30

Was the generation of the Apostles the generation that witnessed the day and hour no man knows, were they the generation who witnessed all things fulfilled in Matthew Chapter 24?

"Absolutely Not" it's a future generation that will witness the day and hour no man knows in the future literal second coming of Jesus in the heavens

Will you now break out your preterist symbolic magical wand and start waving it, Big Smiles!

(This Generation Shall Not Pass, Till All These Things Be Fulfilled)

Matthew 24:33-36KJV
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In the Discourse, is Jesus all over the place? Where one minute He is talking about first century events, then the next minute He is talking about events involving His 2nd coming, then the next minute He is once again talking about 1st century events? So on and so on.

Sure, why not? Except, in this case, He talked about events relating to His second coming at the end of the age in Matthew 24:4-14 and then about things related to 70 AD in Matthew 24:15-22 and then things related to His second coming at the end of the age in the rest of Matthew 24 and 25. That is very similar to how you interpret Luke 21 in the sense of Him going back and forth like that, so why is it okay for you to see Jesus doing that in Luke 21, but not okay for others, like me, to see Him as doing that in Matthew 24? You focus almost completely on Matthew 24 and seem to forget sometimes that Mark 13 and Luke 21 exist, so now you're making an argument that contradicts your understanding of Luke 21.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The truth annoys you,

No, Truth7t7 annoys me with his repetitiveness. I'm starting to think maybe you are a bot that just says the same things over and over again.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The account of 70AD in Roman armies in Jerusalem is provided by (Flavius Josephus) who was a military leader and Jewish traitor to his people, he defected to the Roman Emperor of the time and was his high priest in propaganda, being given wives and a palace to live in, he was comparable to Hitlers Joseph Goebbles

As I have shared several times, Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, And The Second Coming Are Future Events "Unfulfilled"

I stick with God's Holy Words that are sufficient for teaching and knowledge in righteousness

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Why are questions so difficult for you to answer? Again...

Do you believe that Christians in Judea had to flee to the mountains around 70 AD in order to avoid being caught up in the tribulation and wrath that was going on there in order to avoid being killed or taken captive? Yes or no? I'm not asking if you believe that event fulfilled any prophecy or not, I'm just asking if you believe that happened or not.

If not, when else do you think the temple buildings standing in Jerusalem at the time were destroyed? Again, this is just a question out of curiosity and I'm not asking if you believe this relates to any Bible prophecy.

 

[Truth7t7]

Sure, why not? Except, in this case, He talked about events relating to His second coming at the end of the age in Matthew 24:4-14 and then about things related to 70 AD in Matthew 24:15-22 and then things related to His second coming at the end of the age in the rest of Matthew 24 and 25. That is very similar to how you interpret Luke 21 in the sense of Him going back and forth like that, so why is it okay for you to see Jesus doing that in Luke 21, but not okay for others, like me, to see Him as doing that in Matthew 24? You focus almost completely on Matthew 24 and seem to forget sometimes that Mark 13 and Luke 21 exist, so now you're making an argument that contradicts your understanding of Luke 21.

No such thing as Jesus going back and forth 2,000 years in time in Matthew 24, it's your preterist imagination and magical wand trying desperately to make your false doctrine fit

 

[Truth7t7]

Why are questions so difficult for you to answer? Again...

Do you believe that Christians in Judea had to flee to the mountains around 70 AD in order to avoid being caught up in the tribulation and wrath that was going on there in order to avoid being killed or taken captive? Yes or no? I'm not asking if you believe that event fulfilled any prophecy or not, I'm just asking if you believe that happened or not.

My Holy Bible doesn't teach of 70AD fulfillment in Roman Armies concerning Matthew Chapter 24, my Bible doesn't teach of Christians fleeing into mountains in 70AD, my answer is clear, direct, and very easy to understand

If not, when else do you think the temple buildings standing in Jerusalem at the time were destroyed? Again, this is just a question out of curiosity and I'm not asking if you believe this relates to any Bible prophecy.

As stated in John 2:19-22 below, Jesus stood before the temple in Jerusalem with the pharisees,, and stated "Destroy This Temple" and the pharisees like you were believing in a literal temple made of stone, the interpretation was the Lord's Body to be destroyed, simple, clear, easy to understand if your not clinging to preterist 70AD fulfillment

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[David in NJ]

In the Discourse, is Jesus all over the place? Where one minute He is talking about first century events, then the next minute He is talking about events involving His 2nd coming, then the next minute He is once again talking about 1st century events? So on and so on.

An example.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Obviously, He doesn't have the first century in mind here.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

But when we get to this portion a lot of interpreters take this to be involving the 1st century leading up to 70 AD. What does anything involving the first century have to do with what He was just talking about in verse 14? What is the connection? What verse 14 is involving, 70 AD would be at least 2000 years in the past at this point, therefore, no longer relevant. Why would Jesus then be focusing on first century events again?

ATTENTION: @Davidpt , @Truth7t7 , @covenantee , @Spiritual Israelite

DUAL PROPHECY in MOTION from the MOUTH of GOD

All Prophetic words of GOD stay in Motion(Relevant) until ALL things are fulfilled.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

My Holy Bible doesn't teach of 70AD fulfillment in Roman Armies concerning Matthew Chapter 24, my Bible doesn't teach of Christians fleeing into mountains in 70AD, my answer is clear, direct, and very easy to understand

As stated in John 2:19-22 below, Jesus stood before the temple in Jerusalem with the pharisees,, and stated "Destroy This Temple" and the pharisees like you were believing in a literal temple made of stone, the interpretation was the Lord's Body to be destroyed, simple, clear, easy to understand if your not clinging to preterist 70AD fulfillment

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

You clearly are not interested in adult discussion. You can't even answer simple questions. I'm not wasting any more time on you. If you ever grow up, let me know and then we can talk again.