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Behold
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Jesus defined Judas as "A Devil"
"One of you is A Devil".
What is intetesting about that comment, is that The Lord didnt define Judas as "of the Devil" , as in "you are OF your Father the Devil".
Being a CNRISTian, is to become one.........and that means your sins are forgiven, and you have received from God, "the imputed righteousness of Christ", and are born again, having become a "new Creation"
HELL, is filled with disciples of Christ, as you dont have to be a born again Christian to be a disciple of Christ.
You just have to be a follower, who reads and attempts to keep the 10 commandments..and the words of Jesus (in Red), and tries to imitate Him
The definition of that one.....is .....>>"religious pretender = but lost"......and they are typically water baptized and can post a lot of verses they will never understand.
Here is how Paul describes discipleship, that is based on first and foremost = becoming a Christian...."born again".
""""""I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service."""""
Dash RipRock
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Yes, after he turned away from the Lord and became a servant of satan.
It's too bad you don't believe what Jesus said. That's an earmark of those listening to the devil.
John 3:3 - Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God
Those who have not been born again are still disciples of the devil.
Behold
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Actually, Jesus Defind Judas as "A Devil" before the Last Supper.
You dont "see" the KOG with your eyeballs.
You "see" it, when you are this......
"Tranlated from Darkness TO Light'......... "In Christ"......."one with God". = Born again.
Not Just "disciples".
But this..
Jesus said. "You are OF your >FATHER<... the Devil".
A friend wrote an essay on judas, and I asked what the conclusion was....judas had a choice, just like we do, and he failed...a warning to believers, to choose to serve God rather than the devil
Behold
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Lots of people have written about Judas.
Including the New Testament.
There is a Catholic author who wrote an interesting book......."I Judas".
So, when we use the NT as our authority, then we read something else about Judas.
Notice first that Jesus didn't say that Judas had a devil....or was demon possessed, but that Judas "" IS a Devil." (KJV).
Then notice that only Judas is given the Title "son of perdition"......"son of Hell".
So, scholars and "experts" can bang their heads all they like, trying to figure this out, but its clear that Judas was something unique.
There is even a theology that exists that teaches that the Anti-Christ is Judas Resurrected.
And someone says...
"could Judas have been forgiven"?
Well, Jesus forgave Judas, as Jesus forgave all who had a part in His "passion".......however........Salvation has to be received.
And at that time......when Judas killed Himself.......Christ had not yet died on The Cross for His sin.....so, there was no Salvation (no Blood Atonement) yet available for Judas to receive by faith.
Now, had he tried to hide, and later after Jesus was resurrected.........Judas came to faith in Christ, then .....that would have taken care of all His sin.
But He committed suicided before the Offer of Christ's eternal Salvation was available.
| But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Matt 9:23 |
| Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve. Luke 22:3 |
| And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: Luke 22:31 |
Dash RipRock
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I never said one did... although after getting born again and growing in the Lord one should be able to see the results of the Kingdom of God being active in one's life here in the natural.
None the less, judas was not always a devil.
Matthew 10:1-8
And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
The empowerment of the apostles to perform miracles is rooted in the direct commission given by Jesus. In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus sends out the twelve apostles with specific instructions and authority: "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give" (Matthew 10:8). This mandate underscores the divine authority bestowed upon them to carry out miraculous works.
If you'll read Matthew 10:1-8 (and Luke 9:1-6) you'll see that Jesus empowered all 12 disciples with the Holy Ghost to do miracles and have power / authority over demons and specifically says Judas was one of them
Judas was obviously in right standing with the Lord and turned away later... otherwise Jesus would not have been giving Judas power to do miracles
Question is... will you disrespect the Lord Jesus and claim He was in error (sin) by including Judas when he gave all 12 power to do miracles???
Eggshactly
Notice prior to that Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to Judas (Matthew 10:1-8) which proves Judas was not always a devil.
Judas was in fact in right standing with the Lord and then later became an agent of darkness.
The reason Jesus said Judas was a devil (after he turned away from the Lord) is because satan literally entered in to Judas (Luke 22:3, John 13:2) which is only one of two times in scripture where we see satan personally entering in to someone (the other is the anti-christ)
He will and they won't the the ones following or teaching the false doctrines taught in all the churches today
One person told me that there's no point looking for real Christians in the west...so yes, but the far east is where Jesus will find real faith
Behold
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Behold
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Jesus didnt give any of the Apostle the Holy Spirit, until after Jesus was Resurrected.
See John 20:22 for your update.
So, You are confused.
Now...If you read your verse, it does not say that Jesus gave anyone the Holy Spirit.
It says that Jesus gave them "Authority', and that is the same that any Chrisitan has today, as its the authority of the believer to exercise Faith in the word of God by "calling those things that be not".
So, its best that you stop making up your own bible as you go along.
I think he will find “real Christians” in the far east when he returns. You’re in the west. If Jesus returns in your lifetime, wouldn’t he find you?
Sister-n-Christ
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I’m a native Kentuckian. Growing up in Appalachia, “far east” in the days of my early years would have meant the border with West Virginia (the Big Sandy River, which was only a few miles away from my home).
I worked briefly on a couple of occasions in southeast Africa. That’s as “far east” as I’ve physically traveled in the world.
I’m blessed to be living where I want to be. I’m persuaded that ”real Christians” are scattered throughout the earth and have no plans to relocate. I believe he will find the faith where ever it still exists in the world when he returns.
God is looking for people in the days to come who are inhabiting His fertile field. Where they have sent roots down into His fertile soil to draw nourishment directly from God so that they may live in the knowledge of the Lord their God.
My paraphrasing of Genesis 12:3 reads this way: -
Genesis 12:3: - 3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in/through you all the families of the earth/inhabiting my fertile soil shall be blessed."
Please note that H:0127 has the root meaning of Soil which I have chosen to paraphrase as "inhabiting my fertile soil," but that the translators have opted to translate H:0127 as "of the earth" which is much broader that what I believe God contextually intended.
In Deuteronomy the Hebrew Root word H:0127 can be found in eight verses where I believe the intended meaning is "fertile soil"
Deu 4:10: - 10 especially concerning the day you stood before the Lord your God in Horeb, when the Lord said to me, 'Gather the people to Me, and I will let them hear My words, that they may learn to fear Me all the days they live on the earth/in my fertile field, and that they may teach their children.'
Deu 11:9: - 9 and that you may prolong your days in the land/fertile soil which the Lord swore to give your fathers, to them and their descendants, 'a land flowing with milk and honey.'
Deu 28:63: - 63 And it shall be, that just as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good and multiply you, so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you and bring you to nothing; and you shall be plucked from off the land/fertile field which you go to possess.
Deu 29:28: - 28 And the Lord uprooted them from their land/fertile field in anger, in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land/earth, as it is this day.'
Deu 30:18 - 18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land/fertile field which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess.
Deu 30: 20 - 20 that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land/fertile field which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them."
Deu 32:43 - 43 "Rejoice, O Gentiles, with His people;
For He will avenge the blood of His servants,
And render vengeance to His adversaries;
He will provide atonement for His land/fertile field and His people."
Deu 32: 47 - 47 For it is not a futile thing for you, because it is your life, and by this word you shall prolong your days in the land/fertile field which you cross over the Jordan to possess."
God's promise is that when He begins gathering the Israelites to Himself that He will plant them in His Fertile Field and not in the "Promised Land." This can be confirmed by reading the scriptures with a good interlinear Bible next to us.
So wherever "Christians" chose to live scattered throughout the whole earth, they should understand that they need to send down their roots into God's fertile soil/field where they are living so that they too can be a blessing to the people living around them.
Shalom
Would you extend this to Matthew 5:5?
The meek shall inherit - not the earth, but rather - the fertile field?
No, the context in Matthew 5:5 is very different.
Perhaps Genesis 15:7: - 7 Then He said to him, "I am the Lord, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land/earth to inherit it.", is more closely connected with Matthew 5:5
In Matthew 5:5 Jesus is qualifying who among Abraham's descendants will inherit the whole earth.
The problem we have is that there are too few meek Christians today. Too many Christians today are arrogant and not meek to qualify to receive God's promise of the whole earth.
Shalom
Dash RipRock
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