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Agree. But I still do question my giving money to those on the street that come up to ask for it. I once had a guy ask for money for him and his sister saying they were living in a hotel room.

Jesus said that when we "give to the least of these" we are giving to Him.

And we know that we are supposed to give to the poor, and there is a blessing attached to this that is a unique one.

Also...something we can always consider, is.......no matter if they are drug addicts, or alcoholics, or smell like a dumpster....... its a fact that living on the street, is horrible...... Its slow torture.

Notice carefully that when someone asked Jesus for Help.....>He helped them....>He healed them.. He didnt qualify them as worthy.......He just helped them.

Its also a fact that were it not for the Grace of God.....we could ALL be them., out there begging for help on December 25th, with no place to sleep, but the cold street.

Jesus went around doing good vs, trying to figure out if they deserved it or not.

"well behold, what if they dont use the money as i believe they should"..

That's not our position to assume.........as God is looking at our willingness to help.......not how we feel about it.

"well, aren't we supposed to be a good steward".......

Reader......... consider the opportunity of taking some of that money that pays for Netflix, and Cable TV, and all the rest of the luxuries that money pays for every month....and when you have the opportunity... redirect a small amount of that to someone who wakes up outside every morning, before the sun rises, and has a Cigarette for breakfast, as they try to figure out how to get a few dollars for their next cheap meal and the 1000 that follow it.
 
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Jesus said that when we "give to the least of these" we are giving to Him.

And we know that we are supposed to give to the poor, and there is a blessing attached to this that is a unique one.

Also...something we can always consider, is.......no matter if they are drug addicts, or alcoholics, or smell like a dumpster....... its a fact that living on the street, is horrible...... Its slow torture.

Notice carefully that when someone asked Jesus for Help.....>He helped them....>He healed them.. He didnt qualify them as worthy.......He just helped them.

Its also a fact that were it not for the Grace of God.....we could ALL be them., out there begging for help on December 25th, with no place to sleep, but the cold street.

Jesus went around doing good vs, trying to figure out if they deserved it or not.

"well behold, what if they dont use the money as i believe they should"..

That's not our position to assume.........as God is looking at our willingness to help.......not how we feel about it.

"well, aren't we supposed to be a good steward".......

Reader......... consider the opportunity of taking some of that money that pays for Netflix, and Cable TV, and all the rest of the luxuries that money pays for every month....and when you have the opportunity... redirect a small amount of that to someone who wakes up outside every morning, before the sun rises, and has a Cigarette for breakfast, as they try to figure out how to get a few dollars for their next cheap meal and the 1000 that follow it.
Better for the homeless than money is supplies.
Food,bottles of water,a tent, hand fans so they might keep cooler in the coming summer heat. Blankets, a bed roll,so to stay warm later in winter.

Homeless people steal from one another. Amazing but true.

If we give money and they're an addict we are contributing to their demise. If we give them supplies to assist their survival, we're giving them life for another day.
 
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If we give money and they're an addict we are contributing to their demise. If we give them supplies to assist their survival, we're giving them life for another day.


Listen, HUNGER is the main and overriding problem of the Homeless, not a missing tent or holes in their shoes.
THey have to eat, EVERY SINGLE DAY...just like YOU......... and they can't pay for a meal with your tent supplies., but they can pay for it if you give them a bit of money for a meal.

= Think.
 
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Listen, HUNGER is the main and overriding problem of the Homeless, not a missing tent or holes in their shoes.
THey have to eat, EVERY SINGLE DAY...just like YOU......... and they can't pay for a meal with your tent supplies., but they can pay for it if you give them a bit of money for a meal.

= Think.
=Listen.

You ignored where I said to feed them.
 
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=Listen.

You ignored where I said to feed them.

I didnt ignore it.

See, You wrote "food" as "supplies".. vs giving them money so that they can get something to eat.

Now it could be that you are the one person who is going to cook a meal and bring it to them on the Street, or buy a homeless person something to eat.
But i dont think you are that one just yet.
So, until you become that walking soup kitchen, or that Taxi ride to McDonald's.. just give them some money, as they know where to get their food. @Sister-n-Christ .
 

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Big part of it yes . Many now within christendom follow another jesus .
Proving they are NOT HIS at all .
They do approve sin . But why did this occur so largely within christendom .
Cause leaven of that magnitude did not come in As such .
It came in because the motto became judge not correct not .
You see in time leaven grows and in time it becomes the norm and is accepted .
This has always been the case . Lets use
the early church leaders as an example of what is good and what to do . THEY learned that pattern FROM CHRIST himself
and later by the SPIRIT .
Was there a perfect church . NO we see they too had to correct errors
and instructed the churches on what to do about sin and error within the church . THAT pattern keeps the church healthy
growing up into the faith , maturing .
BUT what did men do . what is the key difference between the early apostels , early leaders
AND what we SAW IN LARGE come in under seeker friendly .
THEY True ones CORRECTED SIN VERY DARN FAST . the seeker friendly said , HEY NOT SO FAST , LETS NOT JUDGE
lets try and love them to GOD . BIG FRIGGIN mistake .
NOT Only that BUT WHO did the apostels lean on to witness , CHRIST
what did the seeker friendly lean on , ADVICE FROM UNREPENTANT sinners . AGAIN BIG MISTAKE .
We cannot seek the guidance of man ON HOW to build a church and get people to join
FOR THAT WAS MAN PLEASING . BIG Mistake . IF we seek to please man , WE AINT THE SERVANT OF CHRIST
and it SURE wont bode well for the church that does so either .
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I didnt ignore it.

See, You wrote "food" as "supplies".. vs giving them money so that they can get something to eat.

Now it could be that you are the one person who is going to cook a meal and bring it to them on the Street, or buy a homeless person something to eat.
But i dont think you are that one just yet.
So, until you become that walking soup kitchen, or that Taxi ride to McDonald's.. just give them some money, as they know where to get their food. @Sister-n-Christ .
You are very aggressive in your condemnations.

What you don't know is, my uncle has a restaurant. Open 7a.m to midnight.
There's a yard behind it. Well,it's a yard now. Before it was part of the parking lot.
It's fenced.

Every morning as his crew at the front of the house takes orders and serves breakfast to customers,at the back of the house he,my aunt,and 17 year old niece prep and serve box meals to the local homeless who line up at the back door.
Three squares a day. That yard has picnic tables.

There's a donations can beside the register so that patrons may contribute to their care and feeding.

Two blocks away is a liquor store. We've known the owner for years. Before he opens local alcoholic homeless line up at his back door. He gives them a shot of liquor in little paper cups so they don't suffer or even die from DT's.

And me? Well,let's just say I know what I'm talking about because I walk my talk.

What have you done lately?
 
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Better for the homeless than money is supplies.
Food,bottles of water,a tent, hand fans so they might keep cooler in the coming summer heat. Blankets, a bed roll,so to stay warm later in winter.

Homeless people steal from one another. Amazing but true.
I don’t think it’s a bad idea to at least consider supplies. When I worked at Lowe’s we had a homeless man who came in always with his dog. They were known around town and also seen walking together. (I haven’t seen neither of them in a while) He would come to Lowe’s especially during bad weather to get out of the rain. all the cashiers gave his dog bones. Some would help the man too. He would stop to talk to me often and told me about how someone had stolen his tarp he was using to keep dry, and how he had come in hoping to get another tarp. Years before I knew people lived down by a creek up town I had gotten rid of two low degrees sleeping bags. It never occurred to me that someone could use them to survive. Not just for a vacation purpose, but to make it through freezing weather. It’s not bad for you to bring up supplies I don’t think. To reminds others like me to think before you toss things others could use.
 

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I don’t think it’s a bad idea to at least consider supplies. When I worked at Lowe’s we had a homeless man who came in always with his dog. They were known around town and also seen walking together. (I haven’t seen neither of them in a while) He would come to Lowe’s especially during bad weather to get out of the rain. all the cashiers gave his dog bones. Some would help the man too. He would stop to talk to me often and told me about how someone had stolen his tarp he was using to keep dry, and how he had come in hoping to get another tarp. Years before I knew people lived down by a creek up town I had gotten rid of two low degrees sleeping bags. It never occurred to me that someone could use them to survive. Not just for a vacation purpose, but to make it through freezing weather. It’s not bad for you to bring up supplies I don’t think. To reminds others like me to think before you toss things others could use.
Great and inspiring testimony. Thank you.
Often it seems people don't realize homeless people have no shelter. Sure,they may drag the huge refrigerator freezer box away if someone at Home Depot lets them take what is typically sent to recycling in the bailer. But usually, most just think homeless find a way to take cover.

The idea of buying them a tent and sleeping bag never crossed their mind.
The other thing about money gifts is,it increases their risk of getting robbed.
 

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You are very aggressive in your condemnations.

Im direct.


Every morning as his crew at the front of the house takes orders and serves breakfast to customers,at the back of the house he,my aunt,and 17 year old niece prep and serve box meals to the local homeless who line up at the back door.
Three squares a day. That yard has picnic tables.

So here is the issue.
You denied that giving money to the Poor, who are hungry, is a good idea and you gave us your opinion/reason.

You dont like the fact that i disagree with your opinion, and you feel im too agressive because i dont agree.

There's a donations can beside the register so that patrons may contribute to their care and feeding.
Two blocks away is a liquor store. We've known the owner for years. Before he opens local alcoholic homeless line up at his back door. He gives them a shot of liquor in little paper cups so they don't suffer or even die from DT's.
And me? Well,let's just say I know what I'm talking about because I walk my talk.

So, your relatives give to the poor and you write about it, while you tell the members of this forum that they should keep their money away from starving street people.
Well that is fabulous.
Now if you run back in here and say......>>>"well, i put money in their donations box".....then that is going to sound disingenuous coming from the very person who told these members not to give their money to the poor.
But you try it of course.

What have you done lately?

Well, lately on the forum what have i done ?
I posted again that Christians should give to the poor, and you found my post and tried to cause the members here to not give any poor starving street person, any money.

Other then that, i took more money out of my bank account today,... before i ever came to this forum today... and put it in my wallet, and soon it'll be feeding a poor street person ... same as usual.

If you have any more questions, dont hesitate to ask me.

Now i will say this..
What i give in money , does not even qualify as compared to my missionary brother, who has at times had soup kitchens set up for orphans on the streets of Odessa, Ukraine.
Currently the Ukraine is blown up, so, he's not able to continue as before, (the last 30 yrs).. but, hopefully that will change once Putin and Zelenskyy figure out how to be a little smarter.
 
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Im direct.




So here is the issue.
You denied that giving money to the Poor, who are hungry, is a good idea and you gave us your opinion/reason.

You dont like the fact that i disagree with your opinion, and you feel im too agressive because i dont agree.



So, your relatives give to the poor and you write about it, while you tell the members of this forum that they should keep their money away from starving street people.
Well that is fabulous.
Now if you run back in here and say......>>>"well, i put money in their donations box".....then that is going to sound disingenuous coming from the very person who told these members not to give their money to the poor.
But you try it of course.



Well, lately on the forum ?
I posted again that Christians should give to the poor, and you found my post and tried to cause the members here to not give any poor starving street person, any money.

Other then that, i took more money out of my bank account today,... before i ever came to this forum today... and put it in my wallet, and soon it'll be feeding a poor street person ... same as usual.

If you have any more questions, dont hesitate to ask me.
As I said,you are aggressive in your opinions.Going so far as to imagine spectres you can then not only create from reading my posts but also attack. That is not proper form in a debate.

I'm more secure in my experience and opinions.
 
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As I said,you are aggressive in your opinions.Going so far as to imagine spectres you can then not only create from reading my posts but also attack. That is not proper form in a debate.

I'm more secure in my experience and opinions.

You are definitely secure in your opinions.

Also, i posted no opinions.

I stated that giving money to the poor is a good work of God and you stated your opinion against it.

You stated that your relatives give to the poor, and take donations.....which is money for the poor, and yet you are here trying to talk members out of giving money to the poor.

Maybe you dont realize that most members dont operate a business with a backyard that can be converted into a "help" station.
So for the majority of Humans who are Christians, who dont have a small business.........the best way for them to help a homeless hurting street person, is to give them some money.
That's not an opinion.
That's reality.
Ask any long term street person if they'd rather have a new tent or a $20 bill, and they will tell you that they dont need a tent.
A street person can eat 3-4 days on a $20 USD ......because they eat out of cans......and they buy cheap drinks.
They know how to stretch a dollar.......
 

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You are definitely secure in your opinions.

Also, i posted no opinions.

I stated that giving money to the poor is a good work of God and you stated your opinion against it.

You stated that your relatives give to the poor, and take donations.....which is money for the poor, and yet you are here trying to talk members out of giving money to the poor.

Maybe you dont realize that most members dont operate a business with a backyard that can be converted into a "help" station.
So for the majority of Humans who are Christians, who dont have a small business.........the best way for them to help a homeless hurting street person, is to give them some money.
That's not an opinion.
That's reality.
Ask any long term street person if they'd rather have a new tent or a $20 bill, and they will tell you that they dont need a tent.
A street person can eat 3-4 days on a $20 USD ......because they eat out of cans......and they buy cheap drinks.
They know how to stretch a dollar.......
A point of note there. You never tell us what you do for the homeless. You just judge those who don't agree to treat them how you prefer.
Preach by example.

And now you're aggressive and misrepresenting what was said.

We were not talking about the poor. We were talking about the homeless.

While we can conflate their both being poor, there is a vast difference in scope of charity and exploitation.
Not all who are poor are homeless. While not all who claim they are homeless are necessarily so.

For instance. A woman here poses as homeless throughout the summer. She brings her child with her to use and incentivize giving of money from a gullible public. And for years!

Tax free money. Given by people who don't notice that despite her sign that claims homelessness,and begs for help,she's clean.
Her child is clean. And she doesn't have all her possession in a pile near her. Because, if the homeless don't hide their stuff very well somewhere while they go to beg for coin,other homeless rob them blind while they're gone.

Last summer I found her begging at a strip mall. There's a Doctor's office there too. I dropped a friend off for his appointment at the Doctor. Then I parked close enough to watch the homeless woman and her now 2 year old daughter pretend homelessness. The baby girl now has her own sign.

I picked up my friend and took him home. Then,as the sun was about to set and it was after office hours, I drove by the strip mall again.

The homeless woman and child were walking through the parking lot. I pulled in to watch.
The woman took the child's sign and placed that and her own in the trunk of an Audi sedan that had a temporary tag on the back bumper. The dealer sticker was still afixed to the driver's side passenger window of that four door.

Last autumn a homeless woman,according to her sign, was standing at the end of a dirt road near a grocery store I frequent.
I bought her two sandwiches,with condiments on the side,chips,and cold bottled drinks I purchased from a nearby sub shop.
Turns out she lived in the cabin at the far end of that dirt road.

In my hometown there's a woman who has three locations she begs at. If you stop for her she leans near your car and cries,no tears, "I'm sooooo hungry!"
Years ago. I gave her my last $5. dollar bill.
A friend I told about that said she'd give her a twenty.

I went back home last spring. She's still there. Only this time she was leaving her post at a Walmart.
Just down from where she'd been begging was a dual axel supercab Ford pickup truck. Its vanity tag read , Big Daddy.
That was her husband. The truck was a 2024.


I can see how he afforded it.


There's something very inconsistent with your aggression strategy.

First you argue for charity.

Then you condemn personally those who advise caution and substantive assistance , and care for the homeless, when I don't agree with you that we should just give cash to those who ask.

Which is what you are doing when you condemn giving them food,shelter,clothing,blankets,water.
 

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A point of note there. You never tell us what you do for the homeless. You just judge those who don't agree to treat them how you prefer.
Preach by example.

And now you're aggressive and misrepresenting what was said.

We were not talking about the poor. We were talking about the homeless.

While we can conflate their both being poor, there is a vast difference in scope of charity and exploitation.
Not all who are poor are homeless. While not all who claim they are homeless are necessarily so.

For instance. A woman here poses as homeless throughout the summer. She brings her child with her to use and incentivize giving of money from a gullible public. And for years!

Tax free money. Given by people who don't notice that despite her sign that claims homelessness,and begs for help,she's clean.
Her child is clean. And she doesn't have all her possession in a pile near her. Because, if the homeless don't hide their stuff very well somewhere while they go to beg for coin,other homeless rob them blind while they're gone.

Last summer I found her begging at a strip mall. There's a Doctor's office there too. I dropped a friend off for his appointment at the Doctor. Then I parked close enough to watch the homeless woman and her now 2 year old daughter pretend homelessness. The baby girl now has her own sign.

I picked up my friend and took him home. Then,as the sun was about to set and it was after office hours, I drove by the strip mall again.

The homeless woman and child were walking through the parking lot. I pulled in to watch.
The woman took the child's sign and placed that and her own in the trunk of an Audi sedan that had a temporary tag on the back bumper. The dealer sticker was still afixed to the driver's side passenger window of that four door.

Last autumn a homeless woman,according to her sign, was standing at the end of a dirt road near a grocery store I frequent.
I bought her two sandwiches,with condiments on the side,chips,and cold bottled drinks I purchased from a nearby sub shop.
Turns out she lived in the cabin at the far end of that dirt road.

In my hometown there's a woman who has three locations she begs at. If you stop for her she leans near your car and cries,no tears, "I'm sooooo hungry!"
Years ago. I gave her my last $5. dollar bill.
A friend I told about that said she'd give her a twenty.

I went back home last spring. She's still there. Only this time she was leaving her post at a Walmart.
Just down from where she'd been begging was a dual axel supercab Ford pickup truck. Its vanity tag read , Big Daddy.
That was her husband. The truck was a 2024.


I can see how he afforded it.


There's something very inconsistent with your aggression strategy.

First you argue for charity.

Then you condemn personally those who advise caution and substantive assistance , and care for the homeless, when I don't agree with you that we should just give cash to those who ask.

Which is what you are doing when you condemn giving them food,shelter,clothing,blankets,water.
Yes give them food , shelter , clothing , blankets , water , the gospel of CHRIST .
But watch out about always giving money , because many are trapped in the bondage of drugs and alcohol .
It has them in bondage and they are apt to spend money on such things .
 
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A point of note there. You never tell us what you do for the homeless.

I give them money.
Its what ive been explaining that they need, most of all.
Try reading more carefully what im showing youi.


And now you're aggressive and misrepresenting what was said.


You decided to explain your opinion regarding a person the street, not to be given money.
You even described that they "steal from one another".
So, your perspective is flawed.

We were not talking about the poor. We were talking about the homeless.

Im talking about people who live on the street, and have stated this in every post you've read of mine.

They need to get up everyday and EAT, and that is accomplished for them, the same as it is for YOU.
You BUY your food, and they will also, with a little help from a caring Christian.
This is why i posted about this situation on this forum, and its not the first time, nor the last time.
 
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It has them in bondage and they are apt to spend money on such things .

They have to eat., so, instead of worrying about how they will deal with the money........just realize that they have to eat.
Let this be your point of view.

See, we can't control what other people do, but we can give to the poor, as we are instructed to do.

Let me show the Reader a verse, if you are all tied up in your head, worrying that the money that you give to someone who is poor, is not going to be used as you would have it.

Notice this verse.

Luke 6:35 ....... "God is kind to the ungrateful and the evil".

See that?

That is how we are to consider our help... .just like that.
We dont qualify them as being worthy for our help., as being POOR has already qualified them for our help.
What we do is see the need and give and their most obvious and daily need is to have a meal.
 
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They have to eat., so, instead of worrying about how they will deal with the money........just realize that they have to eat.
Let this be your point of view.

See, we can't control what other people do, but we can give to the poor, as we are instructed to do.

Let me show the Reader a verse, if you are all tied up in your head, worrying that the money that you give to someone who is poor, is not going to be used as you would have it.

Notice this verse.

Luke 6:35 ....... "God is kind to the ungrateful and the evil".

See that?

That is how we are to consider our help.
We dont qualify them as being worthy for our help.
What we do is see the need and give.
I used to give money to them .
Till more than once , yes more than once i even seen them buying , beer.
Look i aint saying one cannot give
but friend why are we so lazy that we cannot just give them FOOD .
Of course we are not responsible to what one does with that money .
But friend you have to realize not ALL , but many of them are TRAPPED IN BONDAGE
to drugs . And i wont be an enabler to do that my friend .
NOW i aint saying NOT to give ,
But there is a better way to do things my friend .
I had some even come into the store i used to work at
and cause they knew i was chrsitain
THEY would try and quoate what little verses they knew
ABOUT GIVING UNTO THE LEAST of these , through even drunk lips as they wanted money .
Look i aint saying not to give , BUT we need some serious discernment in the building .
 

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I used to give money to them .
Till more than once , yes more than once i even seen them buying , beer.

So, because you see some of them not using the money as you want, you just stopped giving to any of them?
How is that right?

Listen, dont focus on THEM.........as God is looking at YOU.... at your heart, and at my heart.
He knows all about them...........and when He tells us to give, that is what He means.
Its HIS money, and we get to use it, and He told us to give to the Poor.
Jesus said...."the poor will always be with you".

God never told us to "only give to the rightesous poor".. "only give to the poor who will be responsible".

C'mon.
The reason they are poor and living out of a dumpter is because they have messed up their lives.
So, they are not responsible, and that is why they are on the street.

So, lets help them.......according to the instruction to give to the POOR.
Are they poor?
That that is all we need to know.
 

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They have to eat., so, instead of worrying about how they will deal with the money........just realize that they have to eat.
Let this be your point of view.

See, we can't control what other people do, but we can give to the poor, as we are instructed to do.

Let me show the Reader a verse, if you are all tied up in your head, worrying that the money that you give to someone who is poor, is not going to be used as you would have it.

Notice this verse.

Luke 6:35 ....... "God is kind to the ungrateful and the evil".

See that?

That is how we are to consider our help... .just like that.
We dont qualify them as being worthy for our help., as being POOR has already qualified them for our help.
What we do is see the need and give and their most obvious and daily need is to have a meal.
They do have to eat . Give them food to eat .
The next time one comes up to ask you for money for food .
Tell them okay here let me take you to the store .
IF all of a sudden you start hearing , no , no i can do this or etc
I would not GIVE THEM anything . other than
i would continue to say here let me take you to a store and lets buy some food for you .
But then that becomes TIME for us to be having to do something .
There is a time to give
but what if one wont work . should we give them bread or .....................
Again i aint saying DO NOT give . IF you want to keep giving money then do so .
But i was just trying to help you so as you might not enable them . DUE TO
well that sure aint good for them . Always pray before giving too . But yes i do always encourage
taking care of the poor . So this was not an attack at all . Just a reminder .