Which one are you in the story of the Prodigal?

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I suppose we all know the story of the Prodigal. (Luke 15:11-32)
But the characters can be representative of those in (and out) of the church.

- The son that squandered his inheritance in riotous living.
- The father that took him back unconditionally.
- The older brother that complained about the father's celebrating.

Which one are you?

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I suppose that no one wants to weigh in on this is because the church by-in-large plays the part of the older brother.
Unwilling to accept or to celebrate the returning prodigal. The church is not a safe place for returning prodigals.
Which may be why returning prodigals return to being prodigals. Forced out.

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I suppose we all know the story of the Prodigal. (Luke 15:11-32)
But the characters can be representative of those in (and out) of the church.

Another proof text that once saved always saved is false doctrine.

In the story the Father says his son was lost while he was gone... he only became saved once again when he returned.

And since the boy made up his own mind to go away, ever notice that the Father did not go after him or try to help him in any way while he was away?



Me? Probably one of the pigs.

Like Porky Pig?

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The purpose of the story was to illustrate the nature of the Father. How is it we focus on his boys?

We call the story 'The Prodigal Son'
Why don't we call the story, 'The Generous Father' ?

Ahhhh, the subtlety of a shifted emphasis. Isn't that the trick the serpent pulled on Eve in the garden?
 

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The purpose of the story was to illustrate the nature of the Father. How is it we focus on his boys?

We call the story 'The Prodigal Son'
Why don't we call the story, 'The Generous Father' ?

Ahhhh, the subtlety of a shifted emphasis. Isn't that the trick the serpent pulled on Eve in the garden?
I think there is something to learn from all three.

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Like Porky Pig?
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I think there is something to learn from all three.
There is more to learn than a cursory reading of the parable might tell.....

The younger son had it all......living in a comfortable home, having good food to eat, and nice clothing as the son of a wealthy father, but restricted in what he could do by the rules of living in his father’s house. Patriarchal heads were the leaders of the clan in Israel. No sons were allowed to overstep his authority. To enjoy the benefits meant towing the line.

The son makes a decision that the rules are too restrictive, and he wants to have his freedom, paid for by an inheritance that was not rightfully his until his father’s death. But we see no pleading from the father and no hesitation to give his son his share of the inheritance to do with as he pleased.....He did not chase after him with protestations....he simply gave him his freedom, and what he asked for, and let him go.

Do we see the wisdom in this. He knew the boy and in his wisdom understood the need for some to learn by painful experience, rather than benefit by accepting the wisdom of his father’s rules.

The son squandered his whole inheritance on having a good time with so called friends who abandoned him once the money ran out....homeless and destitute, the only employment he could get was as a swine herder which meant that even his employer was not a fellow Israelite. Pigs were an unclean animal, and so were not kept by Israelites. Gentiles were under no obligation like their Jewish counterparts, to offer assistance to one who was in need. He was so hungry that he was envying the pigs their carob pods and, hitting rock bottom, he thought of the life he left, to end up like this. He determined to return to his father, not as an entitled son, but as a hired worker.....a mere employee...humble and contrite.

What was the father’s response? He saw his son, not when he knocked on the front door, but “afar off” and noting his downcast demeanour, knew that he had learned his lesson, even at considerable cost to his father. And he responded by running to meet him, even before he hit the front gate. As the boy repentantly requested employment as one not worthy to be called his son, the father embraced him and welcomed him back home, not as a hired worker but as the son he lost.......grateful that he had learned his lesson.

What did the father recognise about his son that prompted him to go out and meet him before he made it all the way home?
If he had returned home demanding to be let back in with no sign of remorse for his conduct, do we imagine the father responding the same way? The repentant attitude had to come first.....then the forgiveness could flow. This is what Jesus teaches us, that no forgiveness is possible without repentance.

And what about the older son, what was his problem?
It seems as if Jesus gave another parable to explain why he responded the way he did.
Matt 20:1-16....which is about hired workers in a vineyard agreeing to a day’s’ work for a denarius. Other workers came later in the day and got the same pay, and even at the last hour some worked and got the same wage....one of the early workers was furious thinking that they should have been paid more because they worked the whole day.
The owner said in response....
“Fellow, I do you no wrong. You agreed with me for a de·narʹi·us, did you not? 14 Take what is yours and go. I want to give to this last one the same as to you. 15  Do I not have the right to do what I want with my own things? Or is your eye envious because I am good?16  In this way, the last ones will be first, and the first ones last.”

Was the brother going to lose some of his inheritance over what his brother took? Maybe....but the whole point was not the money, but the fact that what was lost was found, and returned. The older brother lost sight of the real issue. His brother’s life was worth more than any amount of money. And what is more, his faithful conduct caused his father no anxiety.

It also explains why some can work their whole lives in the service of the Lord, whilst others might come into the fold at the last moment, but all get the same reward....everlasting life.

There’s a lot more to these parables than meets the eye sometimes....
 
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There is more to learn than a cursory reading of the parable might tell.....

The younger son had it all......living in a comfortable home, having good food to eat, and nice clothing as the son of a wealthy father, but restricted in what he could do by the rules of living in his father’s house. Patriarchal heads were the leaders of the clan in Israel. No sons were allowed to overstep his authority. To enjoy the benefits meant towing the line.

The son makes a decision that the rules are too restrictive, and he wants to have his freedom, paid for by an inheritance that was not rightfully his until his father’s death. But we see no pleading from the father and no hesitation to give his son his share of the inheritance to do with as he pleased.....He did not chase after him with protestations....he simply gave him his freedom, and what he asked for, and let him go.

Do we see the wisdom in this. He knew the boy and in his wisdom understood the need for some to learn by painful experience, rather than benefit by accepting the wisdom of his father’s rules.

The son squandered his whole inheritance on having a good time with so called friends who abandoned him once the money ran out....homeless and destitute, the only employment he could get was as a swine herder which meant that even his employer was not a fellow Israelite. Pigs were an unclean animal, and so were not kept by Israelites. Gentiles were under no obligation like their Jewish counterparts, to off assistance to one who was in need. He was so hungry that he was envying the pigs their carob pods and, hitting rock bottom, he thought of the life he left to end up like this. He determined to return to his father, not as an entitled son, but as a hired worker.....a mere employee...humble and contrite.

What was the father’s response? He saw his son, not when he knocked on the front door, but “afar off” and noting his downcast demeanour, knew that he had learned his lesson, even at considerable cost to his father. And he responded by running to meet him, even before he hit the front gate. As the boy repentantly requested employment as one not worthy to be called his son, the father embraced him and welcomed him back home, not as a hired worker but as the son he lost.......grateful that he had learned his lesson.

What did the father recognise about his son that prompted him to go out and meet him before he made it all the way home?
If he had returned home demanding to be let back in with no sign of remorse for his conduct, do we imagine the father responding the same way? The repentant attitude had to come first.....then the forgiveness could flow. This is what Jesus teaches us, that no forgiveness is possible without repentance.

And what about the older son, what was his problem?
It seems as if Jesus gave another parable to explain why he responded the way he did.
Matt 20:1-16....which is about hired workers in a vineyard agreeing to a day’s’ work for a denarius. Other workers came later in the day and got the same pay, and even at the last hour some worked and got the same wage....one of the early workers was furious thinking that they should have been paid more because they worked the whole day.
The owner said response....?
“Fellow, I do you no wrong. You agreed with me for a de·narʹi·us, did you not? 14 Take what is yours and go. I want to give to this last one the same as to you. 15  Do I not have the right to do what I want with my own things? Or is your eye envious because I am good?16  In this way, the last ones will be first, and the first ones last.”

Was the brother going to lose some of his inheritance over what his brother took? Maybe....but the whole point was not the money, but the fact that what was lost was found and returned. The older brother lost sight of the real issue. His brothers life was worth more than any amount of money. And what is more, his faithful conduct caused his father no anxiety.

It also explains why some can work their whole lives in the service of the Lord, whilst others might come into the fold at the last moment, but all get the same reward....everlasting life.

There’s a lot more to these parables than meets the eye sometimes....
I think the story men have named 'The Prodigal Son' gives them permission to ask

Which one are you in the story of the Prodigal?​

Could it at all be possible that Jesus coined this story not to highlight the sons (which it appears we have done) but to reveal the nature and character of his Father?
Wouldn't it have been a wiser choice to name Jesus' story 'The Generous Father'?

Why do I make this point? Because the Father had both his sons in his heart!
 
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I think the story men have named 'The Prodigal Son' gives them permission to ask

Which one are you in the story of the Prodigal?​

Could it at all be possible that Jesus coined this story not to highlight the sons (which it appears we have done) but to reveal the nature and character of his Father?
Wouldn't it have been a wiser choice to name Jesus' story 'The Generous Father'?

Why do I make this point? Because the Father had both his sons in his heart!
It’s really about all of them.... remembering that it is a parable. What is the lesson regarding each of them?
 

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@St. SteVen, the difficulty I have with the parable lies in the contrast: the younger son squandered everything in reckless living, yet after repentance he was restored to the family. The older son, on the other hand, desired the same indulgence but settled for resentful obedience, which left him embittered.

Maybe your question - which one are we applies more than we all think.
 
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This is what Jesus teaches us, that no forgiveness is possible without repentance.
Terrific post, thanks.
I do question this comment though.

Forgiveness is the obligation of the injured party, regardless of the response from the perpetrator.
We can't let a requirement for remorse, or repentance, prevent us from forgiving others. IMO

Matthew 6:15 NIV
But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

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'Do I serve thee’ the elder son reflects a servile, Judaistic mindset rather than the loving obedience of a son to his father (Gal 4:4–6)

What if both are in the same room, church...family?

Well, Jesus had this reality in his own home with his own brothers and sisters.