Has "Christian Forums" become a Catholic site?

[Lizbeth]

God absolutely knows who are truly His, and yes, He still calls out to the descendants of Abraham — but only through the Gospel, not through the land, not through lineage, and not through Levitical shadows.

Yes I agree. We have those who wrongly say the Jews don't need the new covenant because they have the old.........that is damnably false.

But here’s the danger:
When we say things like “there’s still an Israel after the flesh,” we begin to tread the same path Paul explicitly warned against in Romans 9:6:

“For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.”

Why?
Because the covenant was never about flesh to begin with. Even Abraham's true children, Paul says, are those of the promise — not just DNA. (Romans 9:8)

What I meant by that is that Jewish people still exist and they happen to have a nation now, even if it is true there are Khazarians among them (allegorically like tares among the wheat?) like there is the nation of France for the French people and an India for Indian people, and a Japan for the Japanese. I agree the new covenant was never about the flesh. Israel of old and the old covenant were types and shadows of the heavenly spiritual reality to come with Christ.

When Paul says in Romans 11:28 that Jews are “beloved on account of the patriarchs,” he’s not handing modern Israel a pass. He’s saying God fulfilled His covenant with the patriarchs — in Christ.

No, He's not handing them a pass, I agree. There is salvation only in Christ....the gospel is even for them first. Jesus came for them first, and then the Gentile. Unbelieving lost Jews need the gospel every bit as much as unbelieving lost Gentiles. However, I do believe they occupy a kind of unique position in this world, as prodigal sons, still loved by the Father, still chosen in the sense that the gifts and callings are without repentance..........although that does not equate to salvation/eternal life apart from Christ. Paul is warning against having a wrong attitude towards them, and that is the context of that verse.

And now, under the New Covenant, there is one olive tree — and only those grafted into Christ remain in it. Paul says clearly: "If they do not continue in unbelief, they will be grafted in."
That’s individual redemption through faith — not national restoration through warfare or political legitimacy.

Totally agree. And again the context is in warning against a wrong attitude towards the Jews, we must not be high minded against them but humbly fear God, lest we also be cut off the tree.

You said:

“If Israel has become a nation again, it is because the Lord has allowed it...”

Sure — but the Lord also allowed Babylon to rise, Rome to crucify Christ, and Herod to massacre babies. Permission isn’t the same as approval. What God allows and what God blesses are not always the same thing.

Amen, exactly, I totally agree. And not all prophecies that come to pass are for good. (Nevertheless, as they are a people, I wish them well and above all that they would come to Christ.) What I find is that everything to do with this world is a mixture of good and evil, as it is from the wrong Tree....but not perfect, as "perfection" can only come through the One who was and is perfect, the Tree of Life, Christ the Messiah.

And unfortunately I believe there are hints in scripture that Israel/Jerusalem will be judged a second time. Mystery Babylon paying double for her sins, and in Isaiah it also mentions that Israel has paid double. If Israel essentially doubles down on her rejection of Christ with this new Temple and what it is going to stand for....it can't end well.

As for “Israel after the flesh” — yes, it exists. But Scripture makes it clear:
That fleshly Israel has no covenantal privilege unless it enters through Christ.
Jesus is the gate. There is no backdoor through Abraham’s DNA. And the idea that God will somehow do a side-deal with the modern nation-state of Israel outside the Gospel is the exact lie Dispensationalism is built on.

Amen, completely agree.

You said you believe there will be a deception around the rebuilt Temple — and I fully agree.
But let’s not say “maybe” a move of God will happen around it.
That entire temple system was already judged and replaced.
To suggest His Spirit will endorse it again would be like saying Christ’s sacrifice wasn’t enough.

“Do you not know that your bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit?” — 1 Corinthians 6:19
“The Most High does not dwell in temples made by hands.” — Acts 17:24

Again, I agree. I didn't mean a move of God would have anything to do with the Temple, just that I wonder if there might be a move of God in Israel around the same time. The bible says when the enemy comes in like a flood the Lord raises a standard against him. Can't help but notice the 60's in America, how there was a huge move of the devil bringing in new age, drugs, fornication and rebellion among the young people at the same time as the Lord answered with what is called the Jesus movement in which many young were swept into the kingdom of God and were saved. It is my hope and prayer that the Lord will answer what the devil is doing with the Temple, with a move of His own in the highways and byways of Israel. Not all the Jewish people in Israel will be buying what that Temple will be selling, and some could even be rescued from it if they did buy into it.

I have a sense that the times of the Gentiles are drawing to an end, and that Israel will have more prominence and influence on the world stage and that God's attention, as it were, will be more focused over in the middle east rather than on the Gentile western world. And, Jesus said (paraphrasing from memory) "You will not have finished going through the towns of Israel before I come."

The modern state of Israel is not a prophetic miracle.
It’s a geopolitical entity built on the rejection of Jesus Christ.
The only move of God that will happen there is individual repentance — the same as anywhere else on Earth.

There are not two peoples.
There is not “Israel after the flesh” and “Israel of the Spirit” on parallel tracks.
There is one Body, one Gospel, one promise — and that’s through Jesus alone.

So yes — God still calls to Jews. He loves them. He draws them.
But He doesn’t have two plans — one for them and one for us.
He has one Son. One cross. One covenant. One Church.

The moment the Church starts giving a theological pass to anyone outside of Christ —
we are no longer standing with Jesus.

It is the bible which calls unbelieving old covenant Israel, "Israel after the flesh" in 1 Cor. 10:18. That distinguishes it from spiritual Israel, the "Israel of God", the Jew and Gentile one-man church of Christ. And it's important to distinguish between the two, we certainly need to.

Completely agree there is one gospel, one cross, one promise, etc, ,that is fulfilled only in Christ the true Messiah. There is no theological pass and no salvation/eternal life for ANYONE, Jew or Gentile, apart from faith in Him. Be blessed brother.

 

[Taken]

I can't comment other than to say that I put him (or her) on "ignore" due to their lack of edifying posts.

It’s an “okay for me, but not for you” dead end debate.

My position is:
All scripture IS True…Period.
All Scripture does NOT APPLY the Same TO ALL individuals.

So YES, individuals DO “cherry- Pick”… what Does Apply to “THEM”, and “gaslighters” attempt to “cherry-Pick” and APPLY “to Others, what does NOT APPLY…
While…whining About “cherry-Picking”!

Circle jerk …

 

[bdavidc]

The critics of Christian nationalism make me chuckle. God is a Christian "nationalist". Furthermore, every being in God's Kingdom is a "Christ nationalist".

God is not a Christian nationalist. Nowhere in Scripture is God described as promoting or identifying with any political ideology, party, or earthly nation the way that modern Christian nationalism does. That label is a man-made construct that confuses the kingdom of God with worldly systems, and it has no basis in the Bible.

Jesus said plainly, "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36). God's kingdom transcends all nations and politics. Believers are strangers and pilgrims on the earth (Hebrews 11:13) and citizens of heaven (Philippians 3:20), not loyalists to any earthly nation in a spiritual sense. The idea that every being in God's Kingdom is a Christ nationalist distorts what the Bible teaches. In truth, every being in God’s Kingdom is submitted to Christ as Lord, not as a political leader, but as the eternal King of kings (Revelation 19:16).

Furthermore, God chose to create a multiethnic, multigenerational body of Christ made up of believers from every tribe and tongue and people and nation (Revelation 5:9). That alone disqualifies any idea of nationalism being central to God's plan. Nationalism elevates a specific nation, Christ calls all nations to repent and follow Him.

So no, God is not a Christian nationalist, and saying so not only misrepresents Scripture, it risks turning the gospel into a political tool, something Paul warned against in Galatians 1:6–9. Let’s stick to biblical truth and avoid blending the Kingdom of God with the kingdoms of this world.

 

[NotTheRock]

God is not a Christian nationalist. Nowhere in Scripture is God described as promoting or identifying with any political ideology, party, or earthly nation the way that modern Christian nationalism does. That label is a man-made construct that confuses the kingdom of God with worldly systems, and it has no basis in the Bible.

Jesus said plainly, "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36). God's kingdom transcends all nations and politics. Believers are strangers and pilgrims on the earth (Hebrews 11:13) and citizens of heaven (Philippians 3:20), not loyalists to any earthly nation in a spiritual sense. The idea that every being in God's Kingdom is a Christ nationalist distorts what the Bible teaches. In truth, every being in God’s Kingdom is submitted to Christ as Lord, not as a political leader, but as the eternal King of kings (Revelation 19:16).

Furthermore, God chose to create a multiethnic, multigenerational body of Christ made up of believers from every tribe and tongue and people and nation (Revelation 5:9). That alone disqualifies any idea of nationalism being central to God's plan. Nationalism elevates a specific nation, Christ calls all nations to repent and follow Him.

So no, God is not a Christian nationalist, and saying so not only misrepresents Scripture, it risks turning the gospel into a political tool, something Paul warned against in Galatians 1:6–9. Let’s stick to biblical truth and avoid blending the Kingdom of God with the kingdoms of this world.

Heaven has walls and gates. Only followers of Christ will be there.

How many Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, and Heaven's Gate adherents do you believe will be permitted into Heaven?

None.

Howevere, they will eventually reject their former beliefs, accept Christ, and then and ONLY THEN will they be permitted into Heaven.

I've enjoyed a number of your posts but this is Christianity 101 stuff brother.

 

[Behold]

You guys need to consider the tone of the Christians that are posting here. As a Theologian

A Spirit Led "Theologian" will never try to protect any cult, because they would understand that the root issue with any cult is THEOLOGY.
You of couse, dont understand this yet regarding the Catholic Cult.......but you'll now pretend you do.......as now you have no choice.

The reality is......."the Cult of Mary" contains significant issues regarding falsifying = How a Person is Born again, and this one core issue, this one false theology, ... defines this "cult" as anti-Truth and anti-Cross, and Galatians 1:8

Then, when you get deep into their bizarre false doctrine.....and you find out that this cult collects dead body parts, (Relics) and has them in many Catholic Churches and in the Vatican,.... so, we see "demonic" activity as their "church doctrine".

And next....... there is their obsession with Mary, Mary, Mary.

The "cult of Mary" teaches that Mary never had any other Children, and the New Testament says she has several others.
The "cult of Mary" teaches the same pagan doctrine about Mary, that is found in Pagan "Goddess DIANA Worship" ...including
" "perpetual Virgin" and "Queen of Heaven".
The "cult of Mary" teaches that "Mary ascended (flew) to heaven, after she died, in her DEAD BODY".

So, i can just keep going, but anyone who can THINK, and has studied the NT, and has some common sense and spiritual discernment, is not going to listen to some "self proclaimed" Theologican @Grailhunter , who wants to protect and shelter such an OBVIOUS Manmade hyper religious, false "Church".

 

[Grailhunter]

Do you really rate that as a "prominent Christian doctrine?" Actually, most Christians I know recognise marriages whether they take place with a ceremony, or with just the couple and two witnesses in a registry office (Necessary, at least here in the UK, to satisfy the law of the land, not a Christian stipulation). Of course, a Christian couple getting married will probably wish to do so in the presence of fellow Christians.

I am not sure what the question is?

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Yes I agree. We have those who wrongly say the Jews don't need the new covenant because they have the old.........that is damnably false.


What I meant by that is that Jewish people still exist and they happen to have a nation now, even if it is true there are Khazarians among them (allegorically like tares among the wheat?) like there is the nation of France for the French people and an India for Indian people, and a Japan for the Japanese. I agree the new covenant was never about the flesh. Israel of old and the old covenant were types and shadows of the heavenly spiritual reality to come with Christ.


No, He's not handing them a pass, I agree. There is salvation only in Christ....the gospel is even for them first. Jesus came for them first, and then the Gentile. Unbelieving lost Jews need the gospel every bit as much as unbelieving lost Gentiles. However, I do believe they occupy a kind of unique position in this world, as prodigal sons, still loved by the Father, still chosen in the sense that the gifts and callings are without repentance..........although that does not equate to salvation/eternal life apart from Christ. Paul is warning against having a wrong attitude towards them, and that is the context of that verse.


Totally agree. And again the context is in warning against a wrong attitude towards the Jews, we must not be high minded against them but humbly fear God, lest we also be cut off the tree.


Amen, exactly, I totally agree. And not all prophecies that come to pass are for good. (Nevertheless, as they are a people, I wish them well and above all that they would come to Christ.) What I find is that everything to do with this world is a mixture of good and evil, as it is from the wrong Tree....but not perfect, as "perfection" can only come through the One who was and is perfect, the Tree of Life, Christ the Messiah.

And unfortunately I believe there are hints in scripture that Israel/Jerusalem will be judged a second time. Mystery Babylon paying double for her sins, and in Isaiah it also mentions that Israel has paid double. If Israel essentially doubles down on her rejection of Christ with this new Temple and what it is going to stand for....it can't end well.


Amen, completely agree.


Again, I agree. I didn't mean a move of God would have anything to do with the Temple, just that I wonder if there might be a move of God in Israel around the same time. The bible says when the enemy comes in like a flood the Lord raises a standard against him. Can't help but notice the 60's in America, how there was a huge move of the devil bringing in new age, drugs, fornication and rebellion among the young people at the same time as the Lord answered with what is called the Jesus movement in which many young were swept into the kingdom of God and were saved. It is my hope and prayer that the Lord will answer what the devil is doing with the Temple, with a move of His own in the highways and byways of Israel. Not all the Jewish people in Israel will be buying what that Temple will be selling, and some could even be rescued from it if they did buy into it.

I have a sense that the times of the Gentiles are drawing to an end, and that Israel will have more prominence and influence on the world stage and that God's attention, as it were, will be more focused over in the middle east rather than on the Gentile western world. And, Jesus said (paraphrasing from memory) "You will not have finished going through the towns of Israel before I come."


It is the bible which calls unbelieving old covenant Israel, "Israel after the flesh" in 1 Cor. 10:18. That distinguishes it from spiritual Israel, the "Israel of God", the Jew and Gentile one-man church of Christ. And it's important to distinguish between the two, we certainly need to.

Completely agree there is one gospel, one cross, one promise, etc, ,that is fulfilled only in Christ the true Messiah. There is no theological pass and no salvation/eternal life for ANYONE, Jew or Gentile, apart from faith in Him. Be blessed brother.

Amen, sister — truly. I deeply appreciate your careful response and the humility in your tone. You and I are standing on the same Gospel foundation: there is no salvation outside of Christ, and God does not have two peoples or two covenant tracks.

Where I think the line needs to be drawn a bit more firmly is in this:
Yes, Jews are loved — but they are not “still chosen” in any redemptive sense apart from Christ. That language (“still chosen,” “still have a role,” “prodigals”) can easily be co-opted by Dispensationalists to argue for a future national planoutside the Gospel. And that’s exactly what’s happening in churches and prophecy conferences all over the world.

Paul says they are “beloved for the sake of the patriarchs” (Romans 11:28) — not because God still owes them something,but because He already fulfilled the promise through Jesus, the true Seed. That love is not a loophole — it’s the urgency of the Gospel.

You also said something important — that the enemy may be using this Temple deception, but God might respond with a move of His Spirit. I agree entirely. And I pray for that, too. But that move will not flow through the Temple — it will flow through broken repentance in the name of Yeshua. That’s the only river God pours His Spirit into.

Finally, you mentioned that (the Rothschild's False) Israel may gain prominence in world events and that God's “focus” may shift there. Maybe geopolitically — but spiritually, God’s eyes are on the Body of Christ, not any bloodline or zip code. His plan doesn’t revolve around land. It revolves around the Lamb.

So yes, Israel after the flesh exists — but unless they come through the Cross, they are outside the covenant. And affirming that isn’t “high-minded” — it’s Gospel-minded. It’s how Paul himself preached, and it’s how we must continue:

“To the Jew first, and also to the Greek… for there is no distinction… all have sinned… and are justified freely by His grace.” — Romans 3

Let’s pray for Jewish hearts to repent. But let’s also refuse to give theological cover to any system — or Temple — that rejects the Son of God.

One Lord. One faith. One baptism. One Body.
No exceptions.

 

[Mink57]

It's interesting to me that the Apostles referred to their movement as "The Way" and never the "universal" (Catholic) church. It's just one of many evidences that demonstrated to me years ago that the Catholic Church is one of Satan's biggest and most successful lies.

Actually, it was Paul who referred to Christ followers as The Way before he converted.

Edited to add, I cannot find any Biblical reference for the word "universal", at least not in this Bible search engine.

Topical Bible - Bible Verses by Topic

www.openbible.info

Ignatius of Antioch was the earliest on record to refer to the early Christian church as "Catholic" (or "universal"). But instead of condemning this reference for not being "biblical" maybe try to understand where Ignatius was coming from.

His intention was not to rename the Christian church. It was not meant to instigate a schism between "Catholic" Christians and other Christians (some Christians believed that Christ didn't actually die on the cross, but that he only appeared to have done so.) Both Ignatius and Polycarp recognized that the Christian church was spreading, and not just a regional church.

Because of what Christ said (paraphrasing)...that we (Christians) are to 'preach the Gospel to the world', Christianity becomes a 'universal' church.

 

[Mink57]

Heaven has walls and gates. Only followers of Christ will be there.

How many Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, and Heaven's Gate adherents do you believe will be permitted into Heaven?

None.

I wouldn't say that. Personally, I have no idea what God's intentions are, so I'm not about to judge. Maybe NONE of us should...

Howevere, they will eventually reject their former beliefs, accept Christ, and then and ONLY THEN will they be permitted into Heaven.

I've enjoyed a number of your posts but this is Christianity 101 stuff brother.

 

[marks]

The reason the Catholic Church was specifically addressed is because the original question asked whether "Christian Forums" had become a Catholic site. That naturally requires a direct response regarding Catholic doctrine. As for the claim about denominations, the number of groups that call themselves Christian does not excuse or justify false teaching.

Personally I think this whole "30,000 denominations" thing is a fiction, a straw man, used by many to make many different points. Someone claimed on this thread to have personally counted 30,000 of them. That's not a credible claim to me. And then, what makes one church a different denomination? What is the criteria? Seriously! What was it about denom #28,773 that makes it separate from all the others?

The fact is, the Catholic Church in its councils and catachism is heretical, and no amount of "but there are thousands of protestant denoms" is going to change that.

Much love!

 

[bdavidc]

Heaven has walls and gates. Only followers of Christ will be there.

How many Muslims, atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, and Heaven's Gate adherents do you believe will be permitted into Heaven?

None.

Howevere, they will eventually reject their former beliefs, accept Christ, and then and ONLY THEN will they be permitted into Heaven.

I've enjoyed a number of your posts but this is Christianity 101 stuff brother.

You're adding things that are flat-out unbiblical. The Bible does not teach that people who die in false religions will “eventually reject their former beliefs” and accept Christ later. That is not Christianity 101, that is a made-up fantasy. Hebrews 9:27 says, “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.” Jesus said in John 8:24, “If ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.” There is no second chance after death. No Muslim, atheist, Hindu, Buddhist, or cult follower who dies in unbelief will get a redo. The Bible is clear, the gate is narrow, and once the door is shut, it's shut (Luke 13:24–25).

And while you're busy talking about “Christianity 101,” you might want to actually get that part right yourself. You're claiming to know the basics while preaching a second-chance gospel that the Bible never teaches. Let’s be honest, you’re not correcting error, you're introducing it. You’re talking down to people like me, acting like you’ve got it all figured out, while missing one of the most fundamental truths in Scripture. So, before you lecture anyone else, check your doctrine. Because if you think people get saved after death, you're not preaching Christ, you're preaching confusion.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Your “facts” Regarding Others Religious Associations, are based on “your opinion and limited understanding” of what “Others”Believe, based on Their;
A) agreeing with others Understanding;
B) agreeing with Gods Understanding;
C) agreeing with the Lords Understanding;
D) agreeing with Jesus Understanding;
E) agreeing with Christs Understanding;

While “avoiding disclosing” your “own” “Religious Organization”, “your own” “cherry-picked” verses that supposedly “Make” your Opinion “irrefutably” Factually Correct, And those you DO “name…Wrong”.

What you just wrote is a stream of vague, spiritual-sounding nothing.
You didn’t address a single point I made.
Not one fact.
Not one scripture.
Not one historical claim.

You just babbled out a list of “understandings” —
as if stacking synonyms for “God” somehow refutes evidence.

Let me spell it out for you:

You didn’t counter my documentation of the Khazar conversion.

You didn’t challenge the Babylonian Talmud’s blasphemies.

You didn’t refute the political and Zionist roots of modern Israel.

You didn’t quote a single verse to support your emotional outburst.

Instead, you accused me of not disclosing my religious affiliation —
as if truth depends on branding.
Spoiler: It doesn’t.
Truth is truth, regardless of who speaks it.

You say I “cherry-picked verses”?
Great — name one I misused.
Actually go ahead.
Open the Bible and show where anything I quoted is out of context.

I’m not here to “agree with others’ understanding.”
I’m here to agree with Scripture —
which blows your Scofieldized, Zionist-worshiping delusion straight to hell and back.

So if you’re going to respond again,
do it with actual arguments.
Not feelings.
Not vague spiritual posturing.
Not Scofield fumes.

Scripture. Facts. History.

Otherwise, you're just typing noise.

 

[bdavidc]

Personally I think this whole "30,000 denominations" thing is a fiction, a straw man, used by many to make many different points. Someone claimed on this thread to have personally counted 30,000 of them. That's not a credible claim to me. And then, what makes one church a different denomination? What is the criteria? Seriously! What was it about denom #28,773 that makes it separate from all the others?

The fact is, the Catholic Church in its councils and catachism is heretical, and no amount of "but there are thousands of protestant denoms" is going to change that.

Much love!

I agree. The real issue isn’t how many labels exist, it’s whether the message lines up with the Word of God. And you're right about one thing: no amount of hand-waving about denominations changes the fact that the Roman Catholic Church teaches heresies that directly contradict the Bible. Their official catechism promotes salvation through sacraments, elevates Mary in ways the Bible never does, and adds human tradition on equal footing with Scripture. That alone is enough to reject it outright. The truth is not determined by how many people believe something, or how unified they appear, it's determined by whether it matches God's Word. And on that standard, the Catholic system fails, no matter how many denominations exist outside of it.

 

[NotTheRock]

Actually, it was Paul who referred to Christ followers as The Way before he converted.

Interesting. What is the source for this claim, please?

 

[NotTheRock]

But instead of condemning this reference for not being "biblical" maybe try to understand where Ignatius was coming from.

I don't condemn doctrines that are in agreement with the Biblical word of God.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

^
"Interesting. What is the source for this claim, please?"

Acts 9:1–2.
“Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem.”

That’s Paul — before his conversion — referring to the early Christians as “The Way.”

So yes, it’s not just accurate.
It’s straight out of the text.

Try reading it sometime instead of your Scofield notes.

 

[NotTheRock]

Personally I think this whole "30,000 denominations" thing is a fiction, a straw man, used by many to make many different points. Someone claimed on this thread to have personally counted 30,000 of them. That's not a credible claim to me. And then, what makes one church a different denomination? What is the criteria? Seriously! What was it about denom #28,773 that makes it separate from all the others?

The fact is, the Catholic Church in its councils and catachism is heretical, and no amount of "but there are thousands of protestant denoms" is going to change that.

Much love!

Half of women in the Roman Catholic Church support abortion. No wonder they spew garbage such as "30,000 denominations".

 

[Mink57]

A Spirit Led "Theologian" will never try to protect any cult, because they would understand that the root issue with any cult is THEOLOGY.
You of couse, dont understand this yet regarding the Catholic Cult.......but you'll now pretend you do.......as now you have no choice.

I usually enjoy your posts but THIS one...eh.

Referring to Catholicism...with 1.3 billion followers as a "cult" has me a bit...wrangled. And yes, I am Catholic.

Now, before you roll your eyes at me, let me say that even as a Catholic I do NOT believe in ALL of the Catholic practices. But I also see that many non-Catholic Christians really have no understanding of WHY some adhere to Catholicism. Have you tried to figure that out?

The reality is......."the Cult of Mary" contains significant issues regarding falsifying = How a Person is Born again, and this one core issue, this one false theology, ... defines this "cult" as anti-Truth and anti-Cross, and Galatians 1:8

There is no "cult of Mary" in Catholicism. Yes, I can see how it may appear to some (ha) that's what we do. But that's not the truth. Again, how deeply have you delved into the history of Catholicism and how they feel about Mary?

Then, when you get deep into their bizarre false doctrine.....and you find out that this cult collects dead body parts, (Relics) and has them in many Catholic Churches and in the Vatican,.... so, we see "demonic" activity as their "church doctrine".

Again, what's with the insults? Why say that their beliefs are "bizarre" or "demonic"? Why not simply say that you don't understand them instead of judging without knowing?

And next....... there is their obsession with Mary, Mary, Mary.

The "cult of Mary" teaches that Mary never had any other Children, and the New Testament says she has several others.

If you take what the bible says literally (in reference to Christ's "brothers and sisters"), then yes, Mary did have other children.
But if you take what Christ "48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

So because pointed to his disciples, and referred to them as his "brothers", does that mean that Mary birthed them all?

The "cult of Mary" teaches the same pagan doctrine about Mary, that is found in Pagan "Goddess DIANA Worship" ...including
" "perpetual Virgin" and "Queen of Heaven".
The "cult of Mary" teaches that "Mary ascended (flew) to heaven, after she died, in her DEAD BODY".

Where in the bible does it say she died?

So, i can just keep going, but anyone who can THINK, and has studied the NT, and has some common sense and spiritual discernment, is not going to listen to some "self proclaimed" Theologican @Grailhunter , who wants to protect and shelter such an OBVIOUS Manmade hyper religious, false "Church".

I think @Grailhunter is trying to say to knock it off with the INSULTS as well as to know what you're talking about BEFORE you (that is, you plural) go spewing off about something you know little about.

 

[bdavidc]

Interesting. What is the source for this claim, please?

Before his conversion, Paul (then called Saul) referred to the followers of Jesus Christ as belonging to “the way.” This term was used to describe the early Christian movement, and Paul used it when he was still persecuting the church.

Here’s the proof from Scripture:

Acts 9:1–2 (KJV)
And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

This shows that even before he became a believer, Saul recognized the distinct identity of Christ’s followers and referred to them as “this way.”

More examples:

• Acts 19:9 – “But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude…”
• Acts 22:4 – “And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.”

So yes, the phrase “The Way” is biblical, and it was used as an early label for those who followed Jesus, even by their enemies.

 

[NotTheRock]

You're adding things that are flat-out unbiblical.

Every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father. As I said, Christianity 101 stuff.