God absolutely knows who are truly His, and yes, He still calls out to the descendants of Abraham — but only through the Gospel, not through the land, not through lineage, and not through Levitical shadows.
Yes I agree. We have those who wrongly say the Jews don't need the new covenant because they have the old.........that is damnably false.
But here’s the danger:
When we say things like “there’s still an Israel after the flesh,” we begin to tread the same path Paul explicitly warned against in Romans 9:6:
“For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.”
Why?
Because the covenant was never about flesh to begin with. Even Abraham's true children, Paul says, are those of the promise — not just DNA. (Romans 9:8)
What I meant by that is that Jewish people still exist and they happen to have a nation now, even if it is true there are Khazarians among them (allegorically like tares among the wheat?) like there is the nation of France for the French people and an India for Indian people, and a Japan for the Japanese. I agree the new covenant was never about the flesh. Israel of old and the old covenant were types and shadows of the heavenly spiritual reality to come with Christ.
When Paul says in Romans 11:28 that Jews are “beloved on account of the patriarchs,” he’s not handing modern Israel a pass. He’s saying God fulfilled His covenant with the patriarchs — in Christ.
No, He's not handing them a pass, I agree. There is salvation only in Christ....the gospel is even for them first. Jesus came for them first, and then the Gentile. Unbelieving lost Jews need the gospel every bit as much as unbelieving lost Gentiles. However, I do believe they occupy a kind of unique position in this world, as prodigal sons, still loved by the Father, still chosen in the sense that the gifts and callings are without repentance..........although that does not equate to salvation/eternal life apart from Christ. Paul is warning against having a wrong attitude towards them, and that is the context of that verse.
And now, under the New Covenant, there is one olive tree — and only those grafted into Christ remain in it. Paul says clearly: "If they do not continue in unbelief, they will be grafted in."
That’s individual redemption through faith — not national restoration through warfare or political legitimacy.
Totally agree. And again the context is in warning against a wrong attitude towards the Jews, we must not be high minded against them but humbly fear God, lest we also be cut off the tree.
You said:
“If Israel has become a nation again, it is because the Lord has allowed it...”
Sure — but the Lord also allowed Babylon to rise, Rome to crucify Christ, and Herod to massacre babies. Permission isn’t the same as approval. What God allows and what God blesses are not always the same thing.
Amen, exactly, I totally agree. And not all prophecies that come to pass are for good. (Nevertheless, as they are a people, I wish them well and above all that they would come to Christ.) What I find is that everything to do with this world is a mixture of good and evil, as it is from the wrong Tree....but not perfect, as "perfection" can only come through the One who was and is perfect, the Tree of Life, Christ the Messiah.
And unfortunately I believe there are hints in scripture that Israel/Jerusalem will be judged a second time. Mystery Babylon paying double for her sins, and in Isaiah it also mentions that Israel has paid double. If Israel essentially doubles down on her rejection of Christ with this new Temple and what it is going to stand for....it can't end well.
As for “Israel after the flesh” — yes, it exists. But Scripture makes it clear:
That fleshly Israel has no covenantal privilege unless it enters through Christ.
Jesus is the gate. There is no backdoor through Abraham’s DNA. And the idea that God will somehow do a side-deal with the modern nation-state of Israel outside the Gospel is the exact lie Dispensationalism is built on.
Amen, completely agree.
You said you believe there will be a deception around the rebuilt Temple — and I fully agree.
But let’s not say “maybe” a move of God will happen around it.
That entire temple system was already judged and replaced.
To suggest His Spirit will endorse it again would be like saying Christ’s sacrifice wasn’t enough.
“Do you not know that your bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit?” — 1 Corinthians 6:19
“The Most High does not dwell in temples made by hands.” — Acts 17:24
Again, I agree. I didn't mean a move of God would have anything to do with the Temple, just that I wonder if there might be a move of God in Israel around the same time. The bible says when the enemy comes in like a flood the Lord raises a standard against him. Can't help but notice the 60's in America, how there was a huge move of the devil bringing in new age, drugs, fornication and rebellion among the young people at the same time as the Lord answered with what is called the Jesus movement in which many young were swept into the kingdom of God and were saved. It is my hope and prayer that the Lord will answer what the devil is doing with the Temple, with a move of His own in the highways and byways of Israel. Not all the Jewish people in Israel will be buying what that Temple will be selling, and some could even be rescued from it if they did buy into it.
I have a sense that the times of the Gentiles are drawing to an end, and that Israel will have more prominence and influence on the world stage and that God's attention, as it were, will be more focused over in the middle east rather than on the Gentile western world. And, Jesus said (paraphrasing from memory) "You will not have finished going through the towns of Israel before I come."
The modern state of Israel is not a prophetic miracle.
It’s a geopolitical entity built on the rejection of Jesus Christ.
The only move of God that will happen there is individual repentance — the same as anywhere else on Earth.
There are not two peoples.
There is not “Israel after the flesh” and “Israel of the Spirit” on parallel tracks.
There is one Body, one Gospel, one promise — and that’s through Jesus alone.
So yes — God still calls to Jews. He loves them. He draws them.
But He doesn’t have two plans — one for them and one for us.
He has one Son. One cross. One covenant. One Church.
The moment the Church starts giving a theological pass to anyone outside of Christ —
we are no longer standing with Jesus.
It is the bible which calls unbelieving old covenant Israel, "Israel after the flesh" in 1 Cor. 10:18. That distinguishes it from spiritual Israel, the "Israel of God", the Jew and Gentile one-man church of Christ. And it's important to distinguish between the two, we certainly need to.
Completely agree there is one gospel, one cross, one promise, etc, ,that is fulfilled only in Christ the true Messiah. There is no theological pass and no salvation/eternal life for ANYONE, Jew or Gentile, apart from faith in Him. Be blessed brother.
