Jehovah’s Witness doctor allegedly refused to conduct a life-saving blood transfusion due to religious beliefs
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Sis, EVERYONE on this forum, including YOU has an "agenda." And that's to share what we believe to be the Truth of God's Plan of Salvation. So spare me the "you have an agenda" shtick.
Not true, I was just sharing an experience. I had quite a chuckle and his comment, since I was the one who asked him as he was leaving and said he was never coming back, "so what happens now?" and he made that comment. As he and his partner were leaving I shook his hand looked him in the eye and said "see you in the Kingdom."
Let's get something straight Jane, I don't HATE JWs, I have no animosity towards them. So dont assume. You make all these claims about your association and condemn the churches of Christendom for what your organization themselves do. So unless you've had your head in the sand, you'll notice your group and leaders have been in the news a lot lately and none of it is good. So before you start pointing fingers at others, take a good look and your own brethren.
I very happy where I am, if I wasn't I'd be somewhere else.
No, you choose to be offended, and take it as a confrontation. Why is it you can attack others here for what they believe, but when one challenges you, you get offended and cry "persecution"? If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it. Perhaps you don't see how you come across to others, with your pompous attitude of "I have the Truth and you dont."
Whether you choose to dialog with me or not is your choice. If you don't want to see my post then block me, simple as that.
So are you anointed? Because this applies to the elect.
That will occur AFTER the Kingdom Reign, when Satan is let loose.
Lord Bless!
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Triumph1300
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For the time being, but then he's thrown into the abyss during the millennial reign and let loose for a little while afterwards.
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Aunty Jane
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News? You mean MSM…? LOL, You really think the media is interested in the truth?
If Jesus and his apostles had had today’s media to contend with, do you think that their news media would have had anything good to say about them? Trial by media is justice to you?
Were the apostles perfect men with no flaws in their character? They were just ordinary men…..sinful like everyone else….no credentials, but educated by the greatest teacher who ever lived. You are so willing to believe what you want to believe that the truth is sacrificed and unsubstantiated stories are presented as facts…..
That says a lot about your own motives in posting this thread.
Admit it…you thought it was a “gotcha” moment, but you ended up with no evidence that was even true.
That is all I need to know. It isn’t about where we are now…it‘s about where we end up.
Jesus will tell us whether we have done “the will of the Father”…..or made excuses not to.
We can let him be the judge, can’t we? His judgment is the only one that matters.
Great advice.
Sister-n-Christ
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This could be enlightening. It's a JW source article.
When Doctors Seek to Force Blood Transfusions
wikipedia.org
A JW member can be shunned if they accept a blood transfusion.
When Doctors Seek to Force Blood Transfusions
Jehovah's Witnesses - Wikipedia
A JW member can be shunned if they accept a blood transfusion.
Triumph1300
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"Shunning" happens in Protestant Churches as well.
Not for a blood transfusion, but for other issues...
Nothing new.
I don't think it's right, but hey....lots of things are not right...
It's not just a JW thing.
Quote: "In a religious context, shunning is a formal practice where a church or denomination cuts off interaction with an individual or group, often following a decision to excommunicate them. This social rejection involves members deliberately avoiding all contact, aiming to bring the shunned individual back into fellowship through rituals that emphasize their sin. The practice, while rooted in biblical teachings, can vary significantly among different religious groups."
A JW can be excommunicated and shunned for any infraction, whether doctrinal or organizational.
Triumph1300
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That might be true.
And I am not a supporter of the JW organization.
But I point out that these same things happen in Protestant Churches.
Don't throw stones when these things happen in your own household.
Aunty Jane
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Its not true, but the words “can be“ are inferred to mean “will be”.
Someone has to violate a biblical law or a clear Bible principle and be unrepentant about it…that is what results in expulsion. And yes, we‘re not the only ones who do this as a means to stop “the leaven fermenting the whole lump”. We are told to remove unrepentant wrongdoers. (1 Cor 5:9-13)
Accusations are good enough for many who like to throw stones from their own glass houses.
If there is clear proof of wrongdoing in our congregations, it is aired and discussed…..privately with the elders, who offer counsel and assistance to those who are accused of wrongdoing……both sides are heard before any action is taken. Many steps are taken before any expulsion takes place.
But if someone wants to sin deliberately, or to vent their differences and cause dissension or contention in the congregation, they will be shown the door.…as this is something that God hates.
”There are six things which the Lord hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil, A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers.” (Prov 6:16-19 NASB)
Those intent on spreading gossip need to read the Scripture above….a “false witness” is an abomination to God.
Thank you for supporting balance in these things…..
I realize that, but I don't believe that it is as prevalent as it is within the JW organization. Where you can lose everything for just disagreeing with them.
Aunty Jane
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This is nothing more than a JW witch hunt….nothing said by the slanderers on this thread is true.
People will believe whatever is in their hearts to believe….haters love slander. The story is all from one source…..a FaceBook post. Seriously….These people are not poor and yet happy to deliver their other children in a rather “primitive” clinic? Did you notice the car….the clothes….and the hairstyles?
All the accusations are alleged but not proven. It will be very interesting to see if the truth ever comes out….
The clinic was closed on account of the “alleged” reports. Unbridled gossip gets the haters all stirred up, so government officials have to be seen to do the right thing.
So many things about this story do not add up. But how many are willing to believe what these haters have to say about us?
I have been a JW by choice for over 50 years and I have not encountered any sinister activities that did not have fake news at their base.….from trouble makers with nothing better to do with their time….MSM loves a juicy story, but it doesn’t really matter if it’s true or not.
More people die after a blood transfusion than who die for refusing one….that is a statistical fact, as the video I presented here shows very clearly. They are the cause of more deaths and complications following surgery than any other medical procedure. If you knew that going in, would you accept one, especially if safer alternatives were available. We favor the safer alternatives. Others are free to choose their own treatments….and doctors. My daughter’s surgeon was not a JW, but happy to operate without blood because she knows they are not safe.
God knows the truth, but it seems that no one else does….or cares….as long as they can take their cheap shots.……so, I’ll wait and see….
People will believe whatever is in their hearts to believe….haters love slander. The story is all from one source…..a FaceBook post. Seriously….These people are not poor and yet happy to deliver their other children in a rather “primitive” clinic? Did you notice the car….the clothes….and the hairstyles?
All the accusations are alleged but not proven. It will be very interesting to see if the truth ever comes out….
The clinic was closed on account of the “alleged” reports. Unbridled gossip gets the haters all stirred up, so government officials have to be seen to do the right thing.
So many things about this story do not add up. But how many are willing to believe what these haters have to say about us?
I have been a JW by choice for over 50 years and I have not encountered any sinister activities that did not have fake news at their base.….from trouble makers with nothing better to do with their time….MSM loves a juicy story, but it doesn’t really matter if it’s true or not.
More people die after a blood transfusion than who die for refusing one….that is a statistical fact, as the video I presented here shows very clearly. They are the cause of more deaths and complications following surgery than any other medical procedure. If you knew that going in, would you accept one, especially if safer alternatives were available. We favor the safer alternatives. Others are free to choose their own treatments….and doctors. My daughter’s surgeon was not a JW, but happy to operate without blood because she knows they are not safe.
God knows the truth, but it seems that no one else does….or cares….as long as they can take their cheap shots.……so, I’ll wait and see….
Sister-n-Christ
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Agreed.
It's called, Disfellowshipping. I checked.
JW.Org
How to Treat a Disfellowshipped Person
Few things can hurt us more deeply than the pain we suffer when a relative or a close friend is expelled from the congregation for unrepentant sin. How we respond to the Bible’s direction on this matter can reveal the depth of our love for God and of our loyalty to his arrangement. a Consider some questions that arise on this subject.
How should we treat a disfellowshipped person? The Bible says: “Stop keeping company with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man.” (1 Corinthians 5:11) Regarding everyone who “does not remain in the teaching of the Christ,” we read: “Do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.” (2 John 9-11) We do not have spiritual or social fellowship with disfellowshipped ones. The Watchtower of September 15, 1981, page 25, stated: “A simple ‘Hello’ to someone can be the first step that develops into a conversation and maybe even a friendship. Would we want to take that first step with a disfellowshiped person?”
Is strict avoidance really necessary? Yes, for several reasons. First, it is a matter of loyalty to God and his Word. We obey Jehovah not only when it is convenient but also when doing so presents real challenges. Love for God moves us to obey all his commandments, recognizing that he is just and loving and that his laws promote the greatest good. (Isaiah 48:17; 1 John 5:3) Second, withdrawing from an unrepentant wrongdoer protects us and the rest of the congregation from spiritual and moral contamination and upholds the congregation’s good name. (1 Corinthians 5:6, 7) Third, our firm stand for Bible principles may even benefit the disfellowshipped one. By supporting the decision of the judicial committee, we may touch the heart of a wrongdoer who thus far has failed to respond to the efforts of the elders to assist him. Losing precious fellowship with loved ones may help him to come “to his senses,” see the seriousness of his wrong, and take steps to return to Jehovah.—Luke 15:17.
What if a relative is disfellowshipped? In such a case, the close bond between family members can pose a real test of loyalty. How should we treat a disfellowshipped relative? We cannot here cover every situation that may arise, but let us focus on two basic ones.
In some instances, the disfellowshipped family member may still be living in the same home as part of the immediate household. Since his being disfellowshipped does not sever the family ties, normal day-to-day family activities and dealings may continue. Yet, by his course, the individual has chosen to break the spiritual bond between him and his believing family. So loyal family members can no longer have spiritual fellowship with him. For example, if the disfellowshipped one is present, he would not participate when the family gets together for family worship. However, if the disfellowshipped one is a minor child, the parents are still responsible to instruct and discipline him. Hence, loving parents may arrange to conduct a Bible study with the child. b—Proverbs 6:20-22; 29:17.
In other cases, the disfellowshipped relative may be living outside the immediate family circle and home. Although there might be a need for limited contact on some rare occasion to care for a necessary family matter, any such contact should be kept to a minimum. Loyal Christian family members do not look for excuses to have dealings with a disfellowshipped relative not living at home. Rather, loyalty to Jehovah and his organization moves them to uphold the Scriptural arrangement of disfellowshipping. Their loyal course has the best interests of the wrongdoer at heart and may help him to benefit from the discipline received. c—Hebrews 12:11.
a Bible principles on this subject apply equally to those who disassociate themselves from the congregation.
b For more information about disfellowshipped minor children living in the home, see The Watchtower of October 1, 2001, pages 16-17, and November 15, 1988, page 20.
c For more information about how to treat disfellowshipped relatives, see the Scriptural counsel discussed in The Watchtower of April 15, 1988, pages 26-31, and September 15, 1981, pages 26-31.
Aunty Jane
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And we should all read the scriptures that are contained in that article, so that it is clear that following the Bible’s directive ensured that the “leaven does not ferment the whole lump”.
As was mentioned, some Protestant churches do this too….so it is not something done by JW’s exclusively.…it is entirely biblical but not something many of the denominations would want to carry out since it might mean people leaving the church and then who would pay the pastor’s salary? Monetary concerns can make some people want to water down the word of God.
JW’s do not have paid clergy…..all are volunteers. Jesus said…”you received free, give free”. Where did that go when clergy charge money for their services?
As was mentioned, some Protestant churches do this too….so it is not something done by JW’s exclusively.…it is entirely biblical but not something many of the denominations would want to carry out since it might mean people leaving the church and then who would pay the pastor’s salary? Monetary concerns can make some people want to water down the word of God.
JW’s do not have paid clergy…..all are volunteers. Jesus said…”you received free, give free”. Where did that go when clergy charge money for their services?
Triumph1300
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Benny Hinn charges admission fees to attend "healing services".
$100.00 p.p.
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If it is true then the patient should have been referred to another doctor. This is in Nigeria though and you certainly don't take every bit of news out of Nigeria as fact, I have never even heard of the name of that media outlet before.
However we should also be very careful here as there is a fine line, no doctor should be forced to do something that goes against their conscience, but if she was in danger of losing her life something should have been done by someone else.
Aunty Jane
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I rest my case your honor…..So many of the mega churches do as well…it’s a money making racket. Unless funds go to people in need or to disaster relief, it is not meant to enrich the pastor, so that he can have his own private jet and a luxury mansion.
Aunty Jane
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In Western medicine that would never happen. Doctors know that malpractice could cost them their license, so another doctor would have been called if there was a problem like that here in the West. But for every patient there is a judgment call on what treatment is considered best practice….so it is up to the doctor.
The religion of the doctor should never be a determining factor in the treatment given or declined…. It’s the patient’s decision. But in emergency situations decisions must be made quickly. As I said, death in childbirth in Nigeria is very common taking up 2 out of the 5 most common causes of death in that country.
Too much of that story doesn’t add up…and people are trusting FaceBook to tell the truth…when it’s the home of Nigerian scammers.
Still though we must be careful, as I am sure you are aware your state government in NSW passed some legislation allowing nurses and midwives to give abortion medication.
The massive problem is in the original form of the legislation, these healthcare workers were going to be forced to take part in abortions even if it went against their conscience, thankfully that requirement was dropped.
Now I know we are talking about blood transfusions here, however this is an example of how far requiring doctors to do something that goes against their conscience can go. In this situation with the JW, is the patient should have been referred to someone else immediately as it's a matter of life and death.
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