THE GOSPELS ARE NOT NEW TESTAMENT

[Doug]

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are not new testament gospels.

Hebrews 9:17 clearly states that the new testament did not take effect until the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. A testament is not in force while the testator is alive.

Jesus, in all the gospels, was alive during his earthly ministry. In all these gospels, it is still old testament. Jesus is still upholding the law. Jesus was not crucified, dead, buried, and risen, until the end of these gospels (Matthew 5:17 Matthew 19:17).

In the gospels, Jesus is ministering to Israel. Jesus, and the twelve Apostles, are preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. The gospel of the kingdom is that, the prophetic, Davidic, kingdom on earth, promised to Israel, was at hand (Matthew 4:23 Matthew 8:11 Luke 1:32).

In the gospels, Jesus would shed his blood to establish the new testament with Israel: therefore, it could be said, that the gospels are transitional, in that, Jesus brings in the change from old testament, to new.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are not new testament gospels.

Hebrews 9:17 clearly states that the new testament did not take effect until the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. A testament is not in force while the testator is alive.

Jesus, in all the gospels, was alive during his earthly ministry. In all these gospels, it is still old testament. Jesus is still upholding the law. Jesus was not crucified, dead, buried, and risen, until the end of these gospels (Matthew 5:17 Matthew 19:17).

In the gospels, Jesus is ministering to Israel. Jesus, and the twelve Apostles, are preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. The gospel of the kingdom is that, the prophetic, Davidic, kingdom on earth, promised to Israel, was at hand (Matthew 4:23 Matthew 8:11 Luke 1:32).

In the gospels, Jesus would shed his blood to establish the new testament with Israel: therefore, it could be said, that the gospels are transitional, in that, Jesus brings in the change from old testament, to new.

You’re twisting Hebrews 9 to say something it absolutely does not say.
Yes — a testament is ratified by death.
But that doesn’t mean everything Jesus said before the Cross is Old Covenant theology, or that the Gospels are somehow irrelevant to the Church.

That’s not exegesis — that’s theological butchery and Scofield-level blasphemy.

You’re trying to sever Christ from His own words, divide His body into timelines, and pretend the red letters were just warm-up doctrine “for the Jews only.”

False.

The New Covenant didn’t begin at the end of the Gospels —
It began with Christ Himself, who is the covenant.

Let’s be clear:
Jesus didn’t come to reinforce the Old Covenant —
He came to fulfill it, dismantle it, and establish a New and better covenant in His blood — and He was already preaching that reality before the Cross.

“The Law and the Prophets were until John; since that time the Kingdom of God is preached…” — Luke 16:16
“This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.” — Luke 22:20
“A new commandment I give you…” — John 13:34

If Jesus' words aren’t “New Testament,” then what are they — prequel content?

This is where Scofieldism shows its true face:
It tries to limit the words of Jesus to a “Jewish dispensation”, claiming that the real gospel came later through Paul. But Jesus Himself said:

“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.” — Matthew 24:35

The dangerous implications of what you're teaching:

You imply that the Sermon on the Mount doesn’t apply to Christians.

You suggest that Jesus’ teachings on humility, forgiveness, the Spirit, and the Kingdom were just for Jews.
You disconnect Jesus from His own Body — the Church — as if He was preaching one gospel, and Paul came later with a better version.

This is NOT New Testament theology.
It's Scofield's dispensational fantasy — and heresy of the tallest order.

And Jesus already warned about this very thing:

“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.” — John 10:27
He didn’t say “follow Scofield’s charts.”

The truth is simple:

The Gospels are fully part of the New Testament canon.
Jesus preached the Kingdom, the cross, and the new covenant before He died.
The Cross didn’t begin a new message — it fulfilled everything He had already been saying.

The New Covenant didn’t start after Jesus.
It was in Him, through Him, and because of Him — from the very start.

“The Word became flesh… full of grace and truth.”
That’s not Old Covenant — that’s the Gospel of Christ.

 

[LoveYeshua]

You’re twisting Hebrews 9 to say something it absolutely does not say.
Yes — a testament is ratified by death.
But that doesn’t mean everything Jesus said before the Cross is Old Covenant theology, or that the Gospels are somehow irrelevant to the Church.

That’s not exegesis — that’s theological butchery and Scofield-level blasphemy.

You’re trying to sever Christ from His own words, divide His body into timelines, and pretend the red letters were just warm-up doctrine “for the Jews only.”

False.

The New Covenant didn’t begin at the end of the Gospels —
It began with Christ Himself, who is the covenant.

Let’s be clear:
Jesus didn’t come to reinforce the Old Covenant —
He came to fulfill it, dismantle it, and establish a New and better covenant in His blood — and He was already preaching that reality before the Cross.

“The Law and the Prophets were until John; since that time the Kingdom of God is preached…” — Luke 16:16
“This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.” — Luke 22:20
“A new commandment I give you…” — John 13:34

If Jesus' words aren’t “New Testament,” then what are they — prequel content?

This is where Scofieldism shows its true face:
It tries to limit the words of Jesus to a “Jewish dispensation”, claiming that the real gospel came later through Paul. But Jesus Himself said:

“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.” — Matthew 24:35

The dangerous implications of what you're teaching:

You imply that the Sermon on the Mount doesn’t apply to Christians.

You suggest that Jesus’ teachings on humility, forgiveness, the Spirit, and the Kingdom were just for Jews.
You disconnect Jesus from His own Body — the Church — as if He was preaching one gospel, and Paul came later with a better version.

This is NOT New Testament theology.
It's Scofield's dispensational fantasy — and heresy of the tallest order.

And Jesus already warned about this very thing:

“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.” — John 10:27
He didn’t say “follow Scofield’s charts.”

The truth is simple:

The Gospels are fully part of the New Testament canon.
Jesus preached the Kingdom, the cross, and the new covenant before He died.
The Cross didn’t begin a new message — it fulfilled everything He had already been saying.

The New Covenant didn’t start after Jesus.
It was in Him, through Him, and because of Him — from the very start.

“The Word became flesh… full of grace and truth.”
That’s not Old Covenant — that’s the Gospel of Christ.

I have warned Doug too about his false theories but he is still at it, If only he would listen.

@Doug
DOug be careful about these post of yours where you say a lot of false things. GOD will not view this as favorable. What jesus was teaching is for all who believe in Him and do HIs will, the proof as explained is in some verses where Jesus sends his disciples to all the world to teach all he did and was teaching all of it to everyone Not just Israel.

Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

these are the words of Jesus who is One with GOD, when will you start to listen to him?

 

[Doug]

You’re twisting Hebrews 9 to say something it absolutely does not say.
Yes — a testament is ratified by death.
But that doesn’t mean everything Jesus said before the Cross is Old Covenant theology, or that the Gospels are somehow irrelevant to the Church.

[Heb 9:17 KJV] 17 For a testament [is] of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

[Mat 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

He was preaching old testament in the verse above

 

[shepherdsword]

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are not new testament gospels.

Hebrews 9:17 clearly states that the new testament did not take effect until the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. A testament is not in force while the testator is alive.

Jesus, in all the gospels, was alive during his earthly ministry. In all these gospels, it is still old testament. Jesus is still upholding the law. Jesus was not crucified, dead, buried, and risen, until the end of these gospels (Matthew 5:17 Matthew 19:17).

In the gospels, Jesus is ministering to Israel. Jesus, and the twelve Apostles, are preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. The gospel of the kingdom is that, the prophetic, Davidic, kingdom on earth, promised to Israel, was at hand (Matthew 4:23 Matthew 8:11 Luke 1:32).

In the gospels, Jesus would shed his blood to establish the new testament with Israel: therefore, it could be said, that the gospels are transitional, in that, Jesus brings in the change from old testament, to new.

You missed this:
Mt 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I have warned Doug too about his false theories but he is still at it, If only he would listen.

@Doug
DOug be careful about these post of yours where you say a lot of false things. GOD will not view this as favorable. What jesus was teaching is for all who believe in Him and do HIs will, the proof as explained is in some verses where Jesus sends his disciples to all the world to teach all he did and was teaching all of it to everyone Not just Israel.

Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

these are the words of Jesus who is One with GOD, when will you start to listen to him?

The Scofield Dispensationalists are so misled & brainwashed, that they can’t even see the forest for the trees.

They’re out here speaking complete horse apples 24/7 — as if they’ve got some divine decoder ring from 1909 that overrides the red letters of Jesus Christ Himself.

If the Bible were the Star Wars franchise, they’d tell you:

"No, no — you’re interpreting it all wrong!

Yoda was the real villain — totally manipulative.

The Emperor? Misunderstood hero. Trying to bring peace and order to the galaxy — you know, like any good Sith does.

Luke and Leia? Guilty of rebellion and lawlessness for not submitting to Palpatine’s righteous rule.

The Ewoks? Yeah, they’re 7-foot-tall carnivorous warriors — much taller than Vader. Chewbacca actually looks up to them, calls them “sir.”

Jabba the Hutt? A ripped personal trainer & philanthropist with a 6-pack and a heart of gold. Runs an orphanage and a soup kitchen for wayward droids.

Boba Fett? Social worker. Licensed therapist. Helps people work through their abandonment issues.

The Death Star? A misunderstood space hospital that just had one bad PR day at Alderaan."

That’s what Scofieldism sounds like when you strip away the faux scholarship.

It’s not just wrong — it’s a weaponized distortion designed not to clarify Scripture, but to obfuscate it, to disconnect Jesus from the Gospel, and to brainwash generations of believers into thinking Paul and Jesus were preaching different religions.

This isn’t a harmless interpretive disagreement.
It’s spiritual psy-ops in chart form.

They twist Scripture so hard, it turns into a funhouse mirror:

Jesus’ own words? “Not for you.”
The Sermon on the Mount? “Just for Jews.”
The Great Commission? “Transitional phase.”
The Kingdom of God? “Not yet.”
The Church? “An accident, a parenthesis.”

But here’s the truth:
Jesus is the covenant.
His words weren’t prequel content — they were the main plotline.
He didn’t come to start something new after the Cross —
He was fulfilling it before the Cross.

“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.” — Matthew 24:35
“Teaching them to observe all things I have commanded you…” — Matthew 28:20
“The Kingdom of God is preached.” — Luke 16:16

No Scofield chart is going to erase that.
Dispensationalism isn’t deep theology.

It’s a comic book.

And unfortunately, a whole lot of modern evangelicals are still reading it like it’s canon.

 

[Doug]

You missed this:
Mt 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

I am not sure why you say I missed this

 

[shepherdsword]

I am not sure why you say I missed this

The gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are not new testament gospels.

You said in the OP that the gospels were not "New Testament" and that Jesus' teachings were under the law. Matt 28:19-20 shows that He wanted all of His teachings adhered to and that they were commands that were part of the new covenant.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

[Heb 9:17 KJV] 17 For a testament [is] of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

[Mat 19:17 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

He was preaching old testament in the verse above

You're misusing Hebrews 9:17 to push a dangerous false dichotomy — as if everything Jesus said before the Cross belongs to a “different gospel” than what the Church should follow.

Yes, a testament is ratified by death — and Jesus' death sealed the New Covenant in His blood — but He wasn’t preaching against that covenant before the Cross. He was the covenant. He wasn’t waiting to become the Gospel. He was the Gospel the entire time.

Let’s break your example down:
Matthew 19:17 — “If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.”

This is a brilliant setup by Christ — not a prescription for salvation through the Law.

Jesus isn’t affirming the Law as the final path to salvation. He’s exposing the young man’s flawed self-righteousness. The man walks away sorrowful, and Jesus follows with this dagger:

“With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

That’s not Law. That’s grace. That’s the Gospel.

Jesus is using the Law lawfully — to convict, not to save. Paul does the exact same thing:

“By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified… for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” — Romans 3:20

So no — Jesus was not preaching “Old Testament salvation.”
He was exposing the impossibility of earning righteousness and preparing hearts for the Cross.

Just as He said:
“The Law and the Prophets were until John: since that time the Kingdom of God is preached.” — Luke 16:16
“This is My blood of the New Covenant, which is poured out for many.” — Matthew 26:28

Your logic leads directly to the heresy that Jesus’ words don’t apply to Christians — which is exactly what the blasphemous system of Scofieldism teaches: that Christ's teachings were only for Jews, and that the “real gospel” didn’t arrive until Paul.

But Scripture says otherwise — plainly, repeatedly, and without ambiguity:
“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you…” — Matthew 28:20
“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.” — John 10:27
“He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” — John 12:48
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.” — John 14:15
“Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I say?” — Luke 6:46

And for anyone still trying to pit Paul against Jesus:
“There is neither Jew nor Greek… for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” — Galatians 3:28
“If ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
“Christ hath broken down the middle wall of partition… making both [Jew and Gentile] one new man.” — Ephesians 2:14–15
“There is one body, and one Spirit… one Lord, one faith, one baptism.” — Ephesians 4:4–5

Peter affirms the same truth:
“God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth Him and worketh righteousness is accepted with Him.” — Acts 10:34–35

“There is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” — Acts 4:12

Jesus preached one Gospel — to the Jew first, and then to the Gentile.
Paul preached the same Gospel — centered in Christ alone.

“For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” — 1 Corinthians 3:11
“Though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel… let him be accursed.” — Galatians 1:8

So no — Jesus wasn’t giving a “Jewish-only preview.”

He was declaring the Kingdom, fulfilling the Law, and ushering in the New Covenant before the Cross, then confirming it through His blood.

To reject the words of Christ because they came “before His death” is not just error —
it is spiritual rebellion and Scofield’s most damnable lie.

And here’s where it all collapses in on itself:
Dispensationalists and Zionist-influenced evangelicals teach that the entire New Testament applies to everyone except unbelieving Jews.

Let that sink in.

They say that unbelieving Jews — those who reject Jesus, mock the Gospel, and cling to the Law — still get a covenantal pass…
Meanwhile, the Church — the very Body of Christ — is on a “separate plan.”

Their message sounds like this:
“You Christians better be ready to disappear at any moment…
Because Jesus isn’t coming for you —
He’s coming back to finish dealing with us —
the people who don’t even believe in Him.”

It’s madness.

The New Testament couldn’t be more clear:
Both Jews and Gentiles who reject Christ are lost.

“He that believeth not is condemned already…” — John 3:18
“No man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.” — John 14:6
“There is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” — Acts 4:12
“If ye believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins.” — John 8:24
“Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.” — 1 John 2:22

But Zionist theology flips it all on its head:
“Jesus isn’t talking to the Church.
The red letters were for Jews…
But not for us today — because we don’t believe in Him anyway.
Oh, and most of us aren’t even from Abraham — we’re from Khazaria and Eastern Europe…
But shut up, you anti-Semite!
We’re still the chosen ones.
You Gentile Christians? You’re just a parenthesis. Jesus is coming back for us — the people who rejected Him.”

That’s theological gaslighting on an apocalyptic level.

Here’s the truth:
“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29

If you are in Christ — you are Israel.
If you reject Christ — you are cut off from the covenant.

There is no salvation plan outside of Jesus —
not for Gentiles, not for Jews. Period.

Modern Zionism teaches another gospel.
And Paul already told us what to do with that:

“Let him be accursed.” — Galatians 1:8

 

[LoveYeshua]

yes Doug Jesus sent the 11 disciples to teach all he did and said to ALL THE WORLD, means jews and gentiles alike, the same is repeated by peter in acts where he said he was chosen by God to teach to the gentiles, Pater being one pf the 1q disciples sent to the gentiles to spread Jesus gospel of repentance and the Kingdom of heaven, they were teaching all Jesus did and said, all he commanded.

 

[Doug]

You said in the OP that the gospels were not "New Testament" and that Jesus' teachings were under the law. Matt 28:19-20 shows that He wanted all of His teachings adhered to and that they were commands that were part of the new covenant.

What are some of his commands that are new testament

 

[Doug]

Let’s break your example down:
Matthew 19:17 — “If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.”

[Mat 8:4 KJV] 4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
[Mar 1:44 KJV] 44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
[Luk 24:44 KJV] 44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

Jesus was upholding the law

[Gal 4:4 KJV] 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

 

[Doug]

Jesus isn’t affirming the Law as the final path to salvation. He’s exposing the young man’s flawed self-righteousness. The man walks away sorrowful, and Jesus follows with this dagger:

It may be to enter into life is about entering the new Jerusalem........................[Rev 22:14 KJV] 14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[Doug]

that the “real gospel” didn’t arrive until Paul.

The gospel of the kingdom was the real gospel but its not ours in this dispensation

 

[Doug]

“There is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” — Acts 4:12

Jesus and the twelve preached faith in the name of Jesus for eternal life (John 20:31) they had to believe he is Christ the Son of God........we also preach the cross

 

[shepherdsword]

What are some of his commands that are new testament

For starters....read Matt 5-7

 

[LoveYeshua]

The gospel of the kingdom was the real gospel but its not ours in this dispensation

Doug, How could the Kingdom of Heaven not be part of what you call "this dispensation", it is the ultimate Goal of every Christian, it is Why Christ died on the cross of his own free will so we can have access to the Kingdom, This heavenly Kingdom he preached! Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, paid the price for us all he invites us to be part of this Kingdom, we should do all we can to be there and have eternal life!

When Jesus touches your heart you will know! but first you must get closer to him and enter his rest, trust in him believe in him and obey his commands.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Jesus and the twelve preached faith in the name of Jesus for eternal life (John 20:31) they had to believe he is Christ the Son of God........we also preach the cross

who is we?

 

[Doug]

For starters....read Matt 5-7

I did a Bible search for commanded and found no new testament commands and you are unable or unwilling to show me what verses you think are new testament commands

 

[Doug]

Doug, How could the Kingdom of Heaven not be part of what you call "this dispensation"

The kingdom of heaven is the earthly prophetic kingdom offered to Israel