the Catholic Church teaches. . .

[nedsk]

yes,

It means that Catholcis can't understand The NT< and dont study it....... and so, they have their circular reasoning, POV, regarding their Cult's teaching, that they post over and over, on this Forum.

"Rote".

As I suspected

 

[Behold]

No it's not symbolic but you need to deny it

I take Commumion.
Its not Jesus's literal Body..

and @nedsk . the reason you state that it is, is because you are mind owned by a a Cult that taught you to believe what they teach.

 

[nedsk]

I take Commumion.
Its not Jesus's literal Body..

and @nedsk . the reason you state that it is, is because you are mind owned by a a Cult that taught you to believe what they teach.

Again you deny Jesus

 

[Behold]

As I suspected

I suspecte that you'll continue to post your Church's false teaching as "habitual repetition "... = ROTE

See you there @nedsk

 

[Behold]

Again you deny Jesus

I deny your cults teaching.

Expect it to continue...

 

[nedsk]

I deny your cults teaching.

Expect it to continue...

It's not a teaching it's what Jesus said.

 

[Dash RipRock]

But the other poster said no one can take them from the hand of the father.

Yes, no third party can force them out of the Father's hand.

That does not mean a person cannot decide to turn away from the Father

It was the Father that created man in His Own Image which is how / why man has free will meaning man is fully capable of choosing to turn away from the Lord and the Lord cannot / does not FORCE any man to continue in fellowship with Him.

If God could FORCE men into walking with Him, then it would be God's fault that so many are lost and it means God did not actually make man in His Own Image which is where man does not have free will which is the lie the calvinist teach

1 Corinthians 3:15 - If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

That's speaking of one's works, not salvation.

Numerous scriptures in the New Testament prove and warn that man can in fact lose their salvation

I would post them but those indoctrinated by the devil have been taught to not accept all the Lord says in His Word

 

[nedsk]

Yes, no third party can force them out of the Father's hand.

That does not mean a person cannot decide to turn away from the Father

It was the Father that created man in His Own Image which is how / why man has free will meaning man is fully capable of choosing to turn away from the Lord and the Lord cannot / does not FORCE any man to continue in fellowship with Him.

If God could FORCE men into walking with Him, then it would be God's fault that so many are lost and it means God did not actually make man in His Own Image which is where man does not have free will which is the lie the calvinist teach



That's speaking of one's works, not salvation.

Numerous scriptures in the New Testament prove and warn that man can in fact lose their salvation

I would post them but those indoctrinated by the devil have been taught to not accept all the Lord says in His Word

I agree they can walk away.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well, you might not believe me, but I'll tell you. Jesus told me to read His words, yes, those in red. I read the Apostle Paul's epistles too, but Jesus means it, if he tells me to read His words, after all, Jesus is the Word of God. I found many verses I understand now that I didn't. I believe Jesus, so that is Sola Scripturist.

No – to believe in Sola Scriptura means that Scripture is your ONLY Authority - and the Bible itself doesn't teach this.

Jesus told us that His Church is also our Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-1,Jogn 20:21-23).

I know Jesus personally, I wish you did too.

I absolutely do – and shame on you for judging my heart.
Only God knows what is in the heart . . .

 

[Dash RipRock]

I agree they can walk away.

Yep, and the Lord warned His people about this sort of thing in His Word which the eternal security teachers ignore at their own peril

Matthew 24:4,5 - And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My Name, saying, I am anointed; and shall deceive many.

1 Timothy 4:1,2 - Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)

1 Timothy 6:3-5 (see Luke 11:23 and 2 Peter 3:2) - If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness (holiness); (Doctrine of Christ, aka Doctrine of the Apostles)
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof comes envy, strife, railings, evil thoughts… Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

2 Timothy 4:3,4 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

 

[nedsk]

Yep, and the Lord warned His people about this sort of thing in His Word which the eternal security teachers ignore at their own peril

Matthew 24:4,5 - And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My Name, saying, I am anointed; and shall deceive many.

1 Timothy 4:1,2 - Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)

1 Timothy 6:3-5 (see Luke 11:23 and 2 Peter 3:2) - If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness (holiness); (Doctrine of Christ, aka Doctrine of the Apostles)
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof comes envy, strife, railings, evil thoughts… Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

2 Timothy 4:3,4 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

At least we agree then that OSAS is a false teaching.

 

[nedsk]

No – to believe in Sola Scriptura means that Scripture is your ONLY Authority - and the Bible itself doesn't teach this.

Jesus told us that His Church is also our Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-1,Jogn 20:21-23).

I absolutely do – and shame on you for judging my heart.
Only God knows what is in the heart . . .

They adjust the definition as they need. I had a conversation once and the person shifted the definition half way through and denied they changed it. It would be funny if it wasnt so wrong.

 

[Dash RipRock]

At least we agree then that OSAS is a false teaching.

That's something the Lord continually leads me to expose as being false doctrine.

It's one of satan's most devious and effective deceptions because on the surface it sounds good.

But it's actually tickling the ears of the gullible who are taught to willingly be ignorant of all the Lord teaches in His Word.

 

[BreadOfLife]

oh, lets, see. Do you believe Jesus when He says it? John 10:28-29 - And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

Do YOU believe what Jesus said that only those who ENDURE TO THE END (Matt. 24:13) will be saved??

How about when Paul says it (Heb. 10:36)??

 

[Mink57]

Put on your Lawyer Cap and investigate how the "Cult of Mary" will end if Mary was taken out of the Catholic Church/

Investigate the "sayings of Mary" that i posted that are Taught as if it can be proved that said any of this...

But one thing tho.......you have to be honest when you do the research, vs, trying to be the defense .

One thing a lawyer does is to research ALL sides of an argument. Looking into the Bible...like a lawyer... is like looking into the Constitution of the US...

While the Constitution is the HIGHEST law, it's not the ONLY law. And there's recognition that the USC doesn't address ALL aspects of LIFE. If it did, why would we be here arguing about what one passage or another means?

From the Constitution came other laws. And yes...SOME of those laws aren't "Constitutional". But the Constitution wasn't meant to address ALL aspects of life. Some legal issues don't rise to a Constitutional level.

I see the Bible the same way. The Bible is my "Constitution". Some other documents are out there. Some support the Constitution. Some don't. Traffic violations? Yeah...not in the Constitution.

We're all here trying to make heads or tails out of a book that was put together umpteen years ago. Do you believe in Jesus? Do you believe in God?

If the answer is 'yes' then what's the debate about? I'm paraphrasing, but doesn't the bible...AND the Constitution tell us to AT LEAST love our neighbor?

Sorry, but it seems like too many of us are PREACHING the Bible without actually PRACTICING it....

Which is pretty evident on these forums.

I may be Catholic, but frankly, I don't give two hoots about OSAS...or how *We* might interpret the Eucharist...or whether Mary is somehow "demonic".

All I care about is that we LOVE God, and LOVE our neighbor. That means YOU Behold...and ndesk....and Rockerduck....etc.

Seriously, if you guys think somehow that because I'm Catholic that I wouldn't pull you out of a fire...or grab your hand to pull you out of the rubble from earthquake...


Then what in the world are we fighting about?

 

[Dash RipRock]

Then what in the world are we fighting about?

The disagreement is over the false doctrine taught by the catholics who add things to God's Word that the Lord does not teach and the reformers did the same thing.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You led your family into ta demonic cult.......so, that makes you a deceived fool, and permanent tool regarding a Satnanic Religion @BreadOfLife

My family is part of the Body of Christ.

Your seething anger on the other hand illustrates a demonic possession . . .

The "cult of mary" was not ceated by any of the Apostles... so, there is your realikty check., and so, its best to repent of your lying, asap. @BreadOfLife , and im sure that will take you a while.

I agree.

However – the Catholic Church was created by Jesus Christ – and built by His Apostles . . .

 

[Mink57]

The disagreement is over the false doctrine taught by the catholics who add things to God's Word that the Lord does not teach and the reformers did the same thing.

Oh geez....take what you need and leave the rest!!

Serioiusly...how in the WORLD do YOU know that Catholics are "adding" to God's Word? Protestants REMOVED books from the Bible.
REMEMBER???

 

[Dash RipRock]

the Catholic Church was created by Jesus Christ – and built by His Apostles . . .

And as soon as the Apostle Paul left grievous wolves entered in to the church and these grievous wolves are the people that have been leading the catholics ever since.

Acts 20:27-30 - For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

2 Peter 2:1-3 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

And do keep in mind this all happened way before luther's break from the catholics who was also a false teacher.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well, what you posted is not actuallly True, regarding the "cult of Mary".. as the Cult of Mary, teaches that the bible is a work in progress, and that their Church Fathers, and any currrent Pope's, teachings are a sort of "completing the bible".

So, that's a problem., as its a cult setting itself as the Authority above the Word of God.

WRONG.
Time for a History Lesson, son . . .

The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified – ALL 73 (not 66) Books.
- 11 years after that, it was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo (393).
- 4 years later, at the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.
- 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.
- 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

So, not only is your idiotic claim that the Church DIDNT’T declare the Canon – your moronic statement that we believe the Bible to be a “work in progress” is equally bankrupt. Far from a "work in progress" - the Church CLOSED the Canon, as I have amply demonstrated.

Making nutty claims and vomiting out lies is precisely the reason that nobody takes you seriously . . .