OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[Behold]

This is because God never made any such offer to begin with.

Here are a few.

"The will of God is that all believe in Jesus, whom God Sent"

"All who call on the name of Jesus, shall be SAVED"

"Jesus said, all who BELIEVE in Me.....i give unto you Eternal Life, and you shall never Perish, (go to Hell)".


Now if you "Believe in Jesus" God will give you : "The Gift of Salvation".

The CROSS of CHRIST, where Jesus died for YOUR SIN.... = is God offering YOU........"The Gift of Salvation" @Christian Soldier

 

[Dash RipRock]

OSAS: Saved Once Saved Forever.

Even for those that turned away from the Lord to go back to their sin to live in darkness?

This false doctrine is WHY so many go back to their sin to live in darkness

 

[Taken]

Even for those that turned away from the Lord to go back to their sin to live in darkness?

You seem to not understand what receiving salvation means.

This false doctrine is WHY so many go back to their sin to live in darkness

The Saved Can NOT become “unsaved”.

 

[Dash RipRock]

You seem to not understand what receiving salvation means.

You don't know what it means to be led by the Spirit of Jesus Christ after having been born again.

The Saved Can NOT become “unsaved”.

That's NOT what God's Word teaches.

Of course those that don't accept all the Lord says in His Word wouldn't know

 

[Searcher]

Surely Dash has reached a level of perfection that mere mortals can only hope to attain. Just ask him.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Surely Dash has reached a level of perfection that mere mortals can only hope to attain. Just ask him.

Those being led by the devil to deceive other always attack the ones trying to get people to go back to God's Word.

The confusion you walk in is the fruit of the dark spirit guides you follow.

 

[Taken]

You don't know what it means to be led by the Spirit of Jesus Christ after having been born again.



That's NOT what God's Word teaches.

Of course those that don't accept all the Lord says in His Word wouldn't know

IF you were so inclined to study Gods Offering of Salvation STEP by STEP, per His Word, you should have Discovered:
WHY God offers His Gift of Salvation.
WHO it is Offered to.
WHO receives the Gift.
WHO does Not receive the Gift.
WHEN the gift is received.
WHY the Gift Given Can NOT be revoked.

If you don’t know the facts, a discussion regarding the facts, “should be” as appears, “void to your understanding.”

 

[Searcher]

IF you were so inclined to study Gods Offering of Salvation STEP by STEP, per His Word, you should have Discovered:
WHY God offers His Gift of Salvation.
WHO it is Offered to.
WHO receives the Gift.
WHO does Not receive the Gift.
WHEN the gift is received.
WHY the Gift Given Can NOT be revoked.

If you don’t know the facts, a discussion regarding the facts, “should be” as appears, “void to your understanding.”

He is a troll. Look at his other posts.

 

[Taken]

He is a troll. Look at his other posts.

Likely so. In season, out of season, speak the Lords Truth. Some will pause, consider, benefit, others will not.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Behold]

The confusion you walk in is the fruit of the dark spirit guides you follow.

What is real faith in Christ.?

Its to BELIEVE that "Jesus who saved you, keeps you saved, no matter what".

Its to understand that Eternal Life, given by God to the Believer is not Temporary and its not based on your behavior.

See, if you put conditions on God's Grace, as...>>"well, what about how you behave".. then you are trying to keep yourself saved by behavior, instead of Trusting in Christ to keep you saved.

A.) You are "FALLEN from GRACE"... and 'in the Flesh"... =Carnally minded.

Salvation 101.. is..... there is nothing you can do to save. yourself, and there is nothing you can do to keep yourself saved.

Reader... "JESUS" is God's Love and "nothing can separate us from God's love" once we are "In Christ", .. born again as.. "one with God".

 

[GracePeace]

Guys, please try to stay on topic, which is the idea that the early Church recognized OSAS as a heresy, and fought to debunk OSAS as a regular part of their fighting against the Gnostic heresy, because OSAS was only believed on by Gnostics.

You're turning tangentials into the main topic.
Please don't do that; please stay on topic.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Guys, please try to stay on topic, which is the idea that the early Church recognized OSAS as a heresy, and fought to debunk OSAS as a regular part of their fighting against the Gnostic heresy, because OSAS was only believed on by Gnostics.

Looks like all the local gnostics showed up in your thread!

What'd you think was gonna happen?

 

[Behold]

... in their refutations of the Gnostics, they would mention how these Gnostics believed that you could never fall away from the faith..."

What you can "never fall away from" is being Born again, as this is an eternal spiritual birth, that is defined as becomeing a "new Creation" in Christ".
So, this can't end, because it was not caused by the believer......it was "created", by God, as the "Son-Daughter" of God.
Its an eternal spiritual birth, to become "ONE with GOD".. "In Christ".

Its always a sad thing to find that someone who states they are a "christian"... does not understand that if you can't save yourself, then you can't cause Salavtion to be lost.

Salvation is All of God Through Christ and the only part a SINNER has in it, it to receive it.
And once its received as "the Gift of Salvation">.. then '"God who began salvaiton in the born again, is Himself faithful to complete it"......
Not the person who has received Salvation.

Paul teaches that you can "fall from Grace", and that is to believe that you are responsible for your Salvation, as if you began it and are responsible to complete it.
So, Paul teaches that his is a loss of faith in Christ, that has been replaced by Self Righteousness.

 

[GracePeace]

What you can "never fall away from" is being Born again, as this is an eternal spiritual birth, that is defined as becomeing a "new Creation" in Christ".
So, this can't end, because it was not caused by the believer......it was "created", by God, as the "Son-Daughter" of God.
Its an eternal spiritual birth, to become "ONE with GOD".. "In Christ".

Its always a sad thing to find that someone who states they are a "christian"... does not understand that if you can't save yourself, then you can't cause Salavtion to be lost.

Salvation is All of God Through Christ and the only part a SINNER has in it, it to receive it.
And once its received as "the Gift of Salvation">.. then '"God who began salvaiton in the born again, is Himself faithful to complete it"......
Not the person who has received Salvation.

Paul teaches that you can "fall from Grace", and that is to believe that you are responsible for your Salvation, as if you began it and are responsible to complete it.
So, Paul teaches that his is a loss of faith in Christ, that has been replaced by Self Righteousness.

So, do you at all contest the claim that, early on, OSAS was a teaching recognized as having been unique to the Gnostics, but was foreign to the Church, which fought Gnostics and their OSAS?

 

[Behold]

So, do you at all contest the claim that, early on, OSAS was a teaching recognized as having been unique to the Gnostics, but was foreign to the Church, which fought Gnostics and their OSAS?

Actually JUDE "fought" religious people who told Paul that he was "preaching license to sin"... so, in Paul's day, it was called "sin so that Grace will come".
Its been updated, as a phase in the last 50 yrs.

JUDE teaches that religious legalists.........(people who are trying to go to heaven by works) or (believers who dont trust in Christ to keep them saved), created this concept that is now known as "OSAS".

See, when you believe you can lose your salvation, its because the person does not trust in Christ alone, to keep them saved.

So, in that case, what are they trusting to get them to heaven, if they dont BELIEVE that once you are saved, Christ always keeps you saved?

So, this person, is trying to keep themselves saved, and so, they will reject any teaching that trusts in Jesus The Christ Alone who keeps you eternally saved.

So, the OSAS, is what JUDE stated, are these people who are trying to save themselves, or keep themselves saved... who dont want any True Gospel that has JESUS keeping them saved, so they say that if you have real trust in Christ to keep you saved, you are teaching that Jesus is the Savior, who keeps you saved and they reject that as OSAS.
They redefined "Jesus is eternal Savior" as "OSAS"... or "license to sin".

 

[GracePeace]

Actually JUDE "fought" religious people who told Paul that he was "preaching license to sin"... so, in Paul's day, it was called "sin so that Grace will come".
Its been updated, as a phase in the last 50 yrs.

JUDE teaches that religious legalists.........(people who are trying to go to heaven by works) or (believers who dont trust in Christ to keep them saved), created this concept that is now known as "OSAS".

See, when you believe you can lose your salvation, its because the person does not trust in Christ alone, to keep them saved.

So, in that case, what are they trusting to get them to heaven, if they dont BELIEVE that once you are saved, Christ always keeps you saved?

So, this person, is trying to keep themselves saved, and so, they will reject any teaching that trusts in Jesus The Christ Alone who keeps you eternally saved.

So, the OSAS, is what JUDE stated, are these people who are trying to save themselves, or keep themselves saved... who dont want any True Gospel that has JESUS keeping them saved, so they say that if you have real trust in Christ to keep you saved, you are teaching that Jesus is the Savior, who keeps you saved and they reject that as OSAS.
They redefined "Jesus is eternal Savior" as "OSAS"... or "license to sin".

Have you availed yourself of the presentation, which expounds upon the topic of the discussion? If so, which of its historical claims (eg, OSAS is Gnosticism) do you contend--and on what basis?

Again, this is a discussion about HISTORY, so you don't need to go into your views on how the Bible is to be interpreted.

 

[Rockerduck]

Have you availed yourself of the presentation, which expounds upon the topic of the discussion? If so, which of its historical claims (eg, OSAS is Gnosticism) do you contend--and on what basis?

Again, this is a discussion about HISTORY, so you don't need to go into your views on how the Bible is to be interpreted.

Scripture please. Instead of just saying it.

 

[Behold]

Have you availed yourself of the presentation, which expounds upon the topic of the discussion? If so, which of its historical claims (eg, OSAS is Gnosticism) do you contend--and on what basis?

Again, this is a discussion about HISTORY, so you don't need to go into your views on how the Bible is to be interpreted.

Why are you attempting to suggest as truth, that the person in your Video has to be correct, because you believe them?

So, your video, is a person's "take", and another has theirs......in the next Video.

What i told you came from JUDE, regarding where this "license to sin" concept originated.
HE was there, and wrote about in in the NT.
So, the NT is where you find the answer.........as JUDE teaches about this very situation, that was happening.
I just told you what Jude Teaches.
These hyper religious self righteous people branded Paul as teaching license to sin.
And they do it to anyone today, who understand's The Cross of Christ and teaches, the "Blood atonement" correctly.

Here is the nutshell.

These people who teach against eternal security , attempt to subvert the correct understanding of God's Grace, into "licentiousness".......they redefine God's Grace as license to sin, JUDE teaches.

 

[GracePeace]

Scripture please. Instead of just saying it.

It's a discussion on the history of the Church; the history is shared in the video presentation shared in the OP.

 

[GracePeace]

Why are you attempting to suggest as truth, that the person in your Video has to be correct, because you believe them?

So, your video, is a person's "take", and another has theirs......in the next Video.

What i told you came from JUDE, regarding where this "license to sin" concept originated.
HE was there, and wrote about in in the NT.
So, the NT is where you find the answer.........as JUDE teaches about this very situation, that was happening.
I just told you what Jude Teaches.
These hyper religious self righteous people branded Paul as teaching license to sin.
And they do it to anyone today, who understand's The Cross of Christ and teaches, the "Blood atonement" correctly.

Here is the nutshell.

These people who teach against eternal security , attempt to subvert the correct understanding of God's Grace, into "licentiousness".......they redefine God's Grace as license to sin, JUDE teaches.

You present ZERO refutation to the claims about church history made in the video--if you wanted to disagree with the historical claims, you would have to present historical counterevidence.

However, surprise of all surprises, you have nothing at all of substance to say on the topic--per your usual approach, which I always have to take you to task over (which you never care about or self-correct), so as to help foster discussion, but, rather, you continue in your irrelevant off-topic deviations.