The devil's lie in Christian music

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Which is based on what the Lord says in His Word instead of the wisdom of carnally minded religious men who are listening to the devil who is telling them they don't need to pay attention to what God says.



That's where the anabaptists went wrong - they read the writings of false teachers rather than throwing the false teacher's writings out and adhering to God's Word instead.

Anybody who likes to play with false doctrine ends up falling in to false doctrine. Playing with darkness brings forth darkness.

The Holy Spirit never leads people to read after the wisdom of men, but instead leads people in to all God's Word which is Truth as per John 16:13, and John 17:17



You reject God's promises for healing and so for you healing is not something the Lord will ever provide for you

You come way to late to tell me God does not heal today as I've been walking in it for years!

God still heals today, but those that reject His promises of healing don't have to worry about it because God will not be healing them at all.



Unlike some here, Paul knew the scriptures and God has a long track record of providing healing for His people and He changes not.



Yes, Job tells us what broke the hedge of protection that God had placed around him - Job was walking in fear!
(Job said what I feared came upon me, so he admitted to being in fear which is sinful behavior)

Jesus says in the Book of Revelation that fear causes people to go to hell so we know fear is a sin, so Job lit the fuse that caused the hedge of protection to be broken which is why God did not object to the devil beating up on Job, because we reap what we sow God is not mocked.

Hang in there man, maybe someday you'll get delivered from the wisdom of man that you have been indoctrinated with and be able to accept all that the Lord says in His Word.



I follow the Lord Jesus Christ who is NOT bringing suffering on me. Jesus said the devil is the one stealing, killing, and destroying.
John 10:10 - The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

The devil is the one putting sickness and suffering on people.



That all depends on who you are calling "god"



OK, so when your god puts sickness and suffering on you - you never go to the doctor to try to get out of what your god desires for you to suffer right?

If you do go to the doctor to try to get better, than means you are trying to NOT be in the will of your god.



This is the sort of silly conclusion one will come to when one doesn't know God's Word.



The devil is the one claiming God said no.

God saying "no" is not in the text! That's your eisegesis which is personal interpretation of the Bible using your own ideas instead of what God actually said.

Hang in there man, maybe someday you'll get delivered from the wisdom of man that you have been indoctrinated with and be able to accept all that the Lord says in His Word.
Nobody is doing that. Remember the anabaptists only formed as a movement influenced by Luther's translation work.

Knowledge of church history and knowing the leaders isn't following them as though they were the Bible. You learned about George Washington in school but it didn't make you president, and you probably didn't even get you into politics, but you still needed to learn it in order to not be ignorant.
 

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You said "No one suggest otherwise bud. Thanks."

So, don't thank me, thank God friend. He is the one whom helps us in this life.

So what are your thoughts on "The Devils Lie In Christian Music?" Did you relay your thoughts to the original poster?

I don't personally believe that the Devil is even existence and has been done away with today. So I believe that there is just not very much within the genre of Christian music which is sold out for money, just like pastors who sell out the gospel of Christ for money. Those are my main thoughts on it all together, including the Christian music is all secular in nature, but do believe that even the secular music that is out there, can bring back to memories of what the Lord Yeshua had done for us all in giving up his life to save us, and then God raising him up again. Merciful is our Father, Yahavah.
 

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Nobody is doing that.

Well, you said "And as anabaptists, we don't necessarily agree with Luther, for obvious reasons if you know church history, but we still read his writings"

Reading the writings of false teachers is folly that leads to deception. You folks should stop reading Luther's fake gospel

I'm surprised Mr Duck hasn't put a stop to this yet. I thought He was a Word of God guy?

And where in God's Word did the Lord say, "and thou shalt learn and study church history"??? It's chocked full of heresy!

I must have missed those instructions so if you run across where the Lord instructs His people to do this, please share the chaper / verse where this can be found in the New Testament.

You learned about George Washington in school but it didn't make you president, and you probably didn't even get you into politics, but you still needed to learn it in order to not be ignorant.

Yeah, and Georgie was a 33rd degree mason who believed satan was the true creator as the masonic lodge believes

Consequently I don't read anything old George has to say.

Nope, I found a better deal! Jesus Who is God's Word which is the only source of Truth!

So what are your thoughts on "The Devils Lie In Christian Music?" Did you relay your thoughts to the original poster?

I don't personally believe that the Devil is even existence and has been done away with today. So I believe that there is just not very much within the genre of Christian music which is sold out for money, just like pastors who sell out the gospel of Christ for money. Those are my main thoughts on it all together, including the Christian music is all secular in nature, but do believe that even the secular music that is out there, can bring back to memories of what the Lord Yeshua had done for us all in giving up his life to save us, and then God raising him up again. Merciful is our Father, Yahavah.

"Christian" music today is no different than "Christian" ministry today

The vast majority of "Christian" music and ministry today is false doctrine and not of the Lord.

We are living in the falling away the Lord told us about in His Word where many are following doctrines of demons disguised and being of the Lord and most have no idea they are following the devil.
 
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Well, you said "And as anabaptists, we don't necessarily agree with Luther, for obvious reasons if you know church history, but we still read his writings"

Reading the writings of false teachers is folly that leads to deception. You folks should stop reading Luther's fake gospel



Yeah, and Georgie was a 33rd degree mason who believed satan was the true creator as the masonic lodge believes

Consequently I don't read anything old George has to say.

Nope, I found a better deal! Jesus Who is God's Word which is the only source of Truth!



"Christian" music today is no different than "Christian" ministry today

The vast majority of "Christian" music and ministry today is false doctrine and not of the Lord.

We are living in the falling away the Lord told us about in His Word where many are following doctrines of demons disguised and being of the Lord and most have no idea they are following the devil.

Is this anti-Christ?
So negative about Christianity!
 

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Is this anti-Christ?
So negative about Christianity!

I'm simply going by the warnings the Lord gave us in His Word concerning the end times.

And when someone teaches something they claim is of God, I take what they say and go compare it to what God says in His Word.

Most preachers / ministries today are teaching things God does not teach in His Word.

As it turns out, the warnings the Lord gave us in His Word concerning the end times are true!
 

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Well, you said "And as anabaptists, we don't necessarily agree with Luther, for obvious reasons if you know church history, but we still read his writings"

Reading the writings of false teachers is folly that leads to deception. You folks should stop reading Luther's fake gospel

I'm surprised Mr Duck hasn't put a stop to this yet. I thought He was a Word of God guy?

And where in God's Word did the Lord say, "and thou shalt learn and study church history"??? It's chocked full of heresy!

I must have missed those instructions so if you run across where the Lord instructs His people to do this, please share the chaper / verse where this can be found in the New Testament.



Yeah, and Georgie was a 33rd degree mason who believed satan was the true creator as the masonic lodge believes

Consequently I don't read anything old George has to say.

Nope, I found a better deal! Jesus Who is God's Word which is the only source of Truth!



"Christian" music today is no different than "Christian" ministry today

The vast majority of "Christian" music and ministry today is false doctrine and not of the Lord.

We are living in the falling away the Lord told us about in His Word where many are following doctrines of demons disguised and being of the Lord and most have no idea they are following the devil.
I think your statement in regards to the discussion is kind of ironic considering you're criticizing commentary you've never read and judged a movement falsely that you don't really seem to know much about.

I think you just like to debate.

I also didn't say anything about George Washington's faith, I provided a real world example of how education works, but I get the sense your mind doesn't calculate that way.
 
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I'm simply going by the warnings the Lord gave us in His Word concerning the end times.

And when someone teaches something they claim is of God, I take what they say and go compare it to what God says in His Word.

Most preachers / ministries today are teaching things God does not teach in His Word.

As it turns out, the warnings the Lord gave us in His Word concerning the end times are true!

Again you have given no scripture that talks negative about Christian music.
Totally negative about Christianity.
The title of this thread sums you up….The devils lie in Christian music.
You hate those that worship the Lord.
Hateful, rude, and disguisting.
 

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I think your statement in regards to the discussion is kind of ironic considering you're criticizing commentary you've never read and judged a movement falsely that you don't really seem to know much about.

Years ago I went thru a long season of studying prevalent false doctrines we see in our day so I'm quite aware of the false doctrines of the reformers and the catholics as well as some of the popular cults that claim to be Christian.

You do error when you assume what people have or have no studied.

You did state that you do not agree with luther, so why continue reading his false teachings?

Again you have given no scripture that talks negative about Christian music.
Totally negative about Christianity.
The title of this thread sums you up….The devils lie in Christian music.
You hate those that worship the Lord.
Hateful, rude, and disguisting.

Believe whatever you want to believe there bud.

It's a fact that God teaches in His Word that in the end times deception will be prevent and deception is in the music of the churches that embrace deception

People who are ignorant of the warnings God gives in His Word are the ones who are hateful, rude, and disguising seeing they walk with the devil and speak in support of his fake gospel that is leading so many to hell.
 

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Years ago I went thru a long season of studying prevalent false doctrines we see in our day so I'm quite aware of the false doctrines of the reformers and the catholics as well as some of the popular cults that claim to be Christian.

You do error when you assume what people have or have no studied.

You did state that you do not agree with luther, so why continue reading his false teachings?



Believe whatever you want to believe there bud.

It's a fact that God teaches in His Word that in the end times deception will be prevent and deception is in the music of the churches that embrace deception

People who are ignorant of the warnings God gives in His Word are the ones who are hateful, rude, and disguising seeing they walk with the devil and speak in support of his fake gospel that is leading so many to hell.

Just negative and hateful......no facts
The warnings you are talking about are about people like you.
 

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Just negative and hateful......no facts
The warnings you are talking about are about people like you.

God's Word is warning about the people and the false doctrine you are apparently defending:

Matthew 24:4,5 - And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My Name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

*Many includes those claiming "I am anointed" that are deceiving many (false teachers)

1 Timothy 4:1,2 - Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)

1 Timothy 6:3-5 (see Luke 11:23 and 2 Peter 3:2) - If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness (holiness); (Doctrine of Christ, aka Doctrine of the Apostles)
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof comes envy, strife, railings, evil thoughts… Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

2 Timothy 4:3,4 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4 - For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)

Jude 1:17-21 - Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit
.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)

Acts 20:27-30 - For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
 

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You have not quoted any scripture about specific songs.

??? Obviously, God's prescriptions concerning worship given in His word are to be applied to worship songs. His prescriptions form a "straight line" of right worship against which we are to compare all other "lines" to see how straight (or not) they are.
 

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God's Word is warning about the people and the false doctrine you are apparently defending:

Matthew 24:4,5 - And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My Name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

*Many includes those claiming "I am anointed" that are deceiving many (false teachers)

1 Timothy 4:1,2 - Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)

1 Timothy 6:3-5 (see Luke 11:23 and 2 Peter 3:2) - If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness (holiness); (Doctrine of Christ, aka Doctrine of the Apostles)
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof comes envy, strife, railings, evil thoughts… Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

2 Timothy 4:3,4 - For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4 - For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)

Jude 1:17-21 - Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit
.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)

Acts 20:27-30 - For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Nothing about singing hymns and christian songs.....point no point
 
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You reject God's promises for healing and so for you healing is not something the Lord will ever provide for you

Well, fortunately, your saying so doesn't make it so. And, for the record, I've never denied that God heals people miraculously, only that such healing is imparted in the Atonement to all born-again believers. As I've shown from Scripture, it isn't.

You come way to late to tell me God does not heal today as I've been walking in it for years!

But I haven't ever said that God doesn't heal today. This is your Strawman version of what I've written.

Unlike some here, Paul knew the scriptures and God has a long track record of providing healing for His people and He changes not.

So, in other words, there is no place in Scripture where Paul states that he "knew how" to receive God's healing. This is just another of your many additions to God's word.

Yes, Job tells us what broke the hedge of protection that God had placed around him - Job was walking in fear!
(Job said what I feared came upon me, so he admitted to being in fear which is sinful behavior)

Read the start of Job if you want to know why God actually allowed Job to suffer at the hands of the devil. It had nothing to do with Job fearing catastrophe. And you'll find nowhere in the book a statement of God echoing what you've asserted here about a "broken hedge of protection" because of Job's fear. This is just more stuff you're pushing into Scripture.

Jesus says in the Book of Revelation that fear causes people to go to hell so we know fear is a sin, so Job lit the fuse that caused the hedge of protection to be broken which is why God did not object to the devil beating up on Job, because we reap what we sow God is not mocked.

But this isn't what we actually read in the Book of Job was the reason God allowed the devil to afflict Job.

Job 1:1
1 There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil.

Job 1:6-12
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
7 The LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Then Satan answered the LORD and said, "From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it."
8 The LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil."
9 Then Satan answered the LORD, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
10 "Have You not made a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.
11 "But put forth Your hand now and touch all that he has; he will surely curse You to Your face."
12 Then the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power, only do not put forth your hand on him." So Satan departed from the presence of the LORD.



Hang in there man, maybe someday you'll get delivered from the wisdom of man that you have been indoctrinated with and be able to accept all that the Lord says in His Word.

I suppose taking this patronizing attitude with those who expose your error blunts the sting of being exposed, but it doesn't hide the fact that you've badly handled God's word.

I follow the Lord Jesus Christ who is NOT bringing suffering on me. Jesus said the devil is the one stealing, killing, and destroying.
John 10:10 - The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

The devil is the one putting sickness and suffering on people.

Just asserting this doesn't make it so. I've given you much from Scripture that directly and plainly refutes what you've asserted here. Ignore it if you want; even contort it as you've done; but the words of Scripture and their clear meaning remain what they are.

That all depends on who you are calling "god"

See? What you did with what I actually wrote here is what you've been doing with God's word, too. I never wrote "god" - small g - but God.


God sometimes afflicts His children physically, all physical affliction is, therefore, God's doing.

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OK, so when your god puts sickness and suffering on you - you never go to the doctor to try to get out of what your god desires for you to suffer right?

If you do go to the doctor to try to get better, than means you are trying to NOT be in the will of your god.


Again, you misrepresented what I wrote (as you do with God's word), leaving out the immediate context of what you quoted above from my post. Here it is in full:

"It doesn't follow that, because God sometimes afflicts His children physically, all physical affliction is, therefore, God's doing. Many times, Christians suffer at their own hands, doing stupid, dangerous, sinful things that cause them (sometimes permanent) harm. At other times, living in an imperfect world means Christians suffer because of the stupidity, carelessness and/or wickedness of others. God is not directly responsible in either of these cases for the afflictions that come upon His children."

Your question above is nonsensical in light of what I wrote, ignoring, as it does, the statement to which you're replying almost completely. And so, I've just repeated my statement. Actually read it as its given, without your contorting redactions, and you'll see your question above is nonsensical, too.

This is the sort of silly conclusion one will come to when one doesn't know God's Word.

Pot calling the kettle black here...

The devil is the one claiming God said no.

God saying "no" is not in the text! That's your eisegesis which is personal interpretation of the Bible using your own ideas instead of what God actually said.

??? It is the obvious conclusion drawn from the three requests Paul said he made to God, all of which were met with continued affliction and the statement from God that in Paul's affliction he would encounter God's strengthening grace. There is no eisegesis here, only extracting from the text what is plainly in it.

By the way, "eisegesis" is reading (forcing) into a text what one wants to make it say. It is the opposite of exegesis, which I've done all along in this thread. As you've made false statements about various verses/passages I've just presented them as they actually are, pointing out where you add, twist or shade what they say. From my point of view, then, the one exposed as doing eisegesis is you, unfortunately.


Hang in there man, maybe someday you'll get delivered from the wisdom of man that you have been indoctrinated with and be able to accept all that the Lord says in His Word.

Ah, the comfort of condescension, eh? Do you really feel better? Your posts certainly don't look any better...
 
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I thought you were looking for scripture about specific songs?

If it's baloney you are seeking, check out the Book of Speculations!
I thought you were looking for scripture about specific songs?

If it's baloney you are seeking, check out the Book of Speculations!
You really have not nor can you produce anything negative from the Bible about singing praises to the Lord but I can produce great things from the scriptures about singing praises to the Lord...

Over a hundred scriptures about singing praises to the Lord.