The Doctrines of Grace

[Behold]

And yet, NONE of you has been able to provide a refutation for the Biblical I provided evidence FOR it.

Here is the issue.

The Cult of Mary, creates theology, that becomes what Catholics are taught to believe....next.

Their Pope just legalized Gay Priests....and soon enough a lot of Catholics will lock step and agree.

The problem here is one core issue, and that is........so much of Mary Cult Theology , is not found in any bible.

Take......>"the ascension of Mary". or "" RELICS"...... but for now we'll just land on Mary flying to heaven in her dead body....Reader.

Not one bible on God's green globe has a sentence in it that even suggests that Mary ascended to Heaven as a dead body after she DIED , as this Cult teaches......, NOR> is there any apostle who knew about it, according to ALL BIBLES.

Yet, the CCult, teaches this FANTASY..... as if its on every page of a NT, when its NOWHERE in any BIBLE.

And the cult of Mary members, are taught to believe "..'well, the bible is not really finished, its just the basic theology, and the CCult, and our Church Fathers are always in the process of adding to it, for 1600 yrs.... as they decide to do, and we are taught to BELIEVE IT"..

So, a Catholic says......>"well of course"..........and that is the problem, and they are brain washed, and cult fed, to only be able to see it in that closed minded lights off, cult mentality.

Thats a fact that will never change.

 

[GodsGrace]

WOW - where to begin??

First of all – you only respond to things that are about you and NOT about Scripture and doctrine. Maybe it’s because you can’t offer Biblically-sound rebuttals . . .

What do I know about scripture Bread?
Nothing.

Secondly – if your students fear Purgatory more than Hell – it sounds like they’re getting some pretty BAD catechesis. And for a priest who doesn’t care about who is teaching the children in his parish- it speaks VOLUMES about his theological laziness and apathy.

They're NOT STUDENTS Bread....no PhD after my name.
You just are not good at listening. Or maybe you listen but you can't HEAR.

I wouldn't talk about priests I don't know.
You think you know everything and are sitting in the seat of Moses.
But you're not Bread.
You're one big nobody for the Catholic Church...
Know why?
BECAUSE YOU DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY.

And there you go again with your “brick-and-mortar” lies. Not ONCE have I said anything that even remotely resembles that abomination.
Do you feel nothing when you violated God’s Commandment against bearing FALSE witness (Exod. 20:16)??

Huh?
Yes. This is why I don't take you seriously and do not like posting to you in a serious manner.

And, even though I give you statistical evidence that the Catholic Churh isn’t “dwindling” – you persist in your lie that is IS. Is there ever a situation where you actually tell the truth?:

Oh. This is just too much.
Make a trip to Europe Bread.
CHRISTIANITY in general is DWINDLING in WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

Maybe you haven't noticed?

A Biblical warning for people who love lies and dishonesty:
Rev. 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters AND ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Personally, I like
James 3:1 and I live by it.
1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.

You sure do bring out the worst in people.
Not a very Christianly thing to do.

 

[GodsGrace]

Here is the issue.

The Cult of Mary, creates theology, that becomes what Catholics are taught to believe....next.

Their Pope just legalized Gay Priests....and soon enough a lot of Catholics will lock step and agree.

There have always been gay priests.
Our local bishop has stated that WE HAVE ENOUGH now.
If you get my drift....

The problem here is one core issue, and that is........so much of Mary Cult Theology , is not found in any bible.

They don't stress Mary all that much anymore.
Ditto for saints.
BUT...it's TOO LATE.

Take......>"the ascension of Mary". or "" RELICS"...... but for now we'll just land on Mary flying to heaven in her dead body....Reader.

Not one bible on God's green globe has a sentence in it that even suggests that Mary ascended to Heaven as a dead body after she DIED , as this Cult teaches......, NOR> is there any apostle who knew about it, according to ALL BIBLES.

The ECFs also did not speak of this.
They did speak of Mary's purity in living her life.

Yet, the CCult, teaches this FANTASY..... as if its on every page of a NT, when its NOWHERE in any BIBLE.

And the cult of Mary members, are taught to believe "..'well, the bible is not really finished, its just the basic theology, and the CCult, and our Church Fathers are always in the process of adding to it, for 1600 yrs.... as they decide to do, and we are taught to BELIEVE IT"..

B....the ECFs do not ADD to scripture.
They clarify it.
It's an interesting study. I did this about 7 years ago...maybe more.
It was actually very helpful.

So, a Catholic says......>"well of course"..........and that is the problem, and they are brain washed, and cult fed, to only be able to see it in that closed minded lights off, cult mentality.

Thats a fact that will never change.

I agree.
But some do come out of the CC.
Some go in.
Calvinists are like this too.
But some do get to escape and think for themselves.

 

[Ritajanice]

If you believe that we are unregenerate, what is your proof?

Are you a Calvinist then?...I don’t even really know what a Calvinist is?

I’ve only been led by the Spirit on what I post, I’m not saying that everything that I post has come from the Spirit.

How can anyone prove that you are unregenerate?

Regeneration is becoming Born Of The Spirit..where Spirit gives birth to spirit.

You would know in your heart/ spirit if you have been regenerated/ Born Again, because that is where Gods Living testimony/ His Living seed has taken up residence, when he birthed our spirit into his.
The seed of the Living Spirit is what we’re Born Again of, the moment of that Living Spirit birth, our faith starts to grow in Christ....it will grow and mature, but, in order for our faith to grow, we will face many trials and tribulations along the way...remember we walk a very narrow path and can only look to the Spirit to keep us on that path.
The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God...

Of course the “ natural man” wouldn’t have a clue what I am talking about here.

 

[ElectedbyHim]

Are you a Calvinist then?...I don’t even really know what a Calvinist is?

I’ve only been led by the Spirit on what I post, I’m not saying that everything that I post has come from the Spirit.

How can anyone prove that you are unregenerate?

Regeneration is becoming Born Of The Spirit..where Spirit gives birth to spirit.

You would know in your heart/ spirit if you have been regenerated/ Born Again, because that is where Gods Living testimony/ His Living seed has taken up residence, when he birthed our spirit into his.
The seed of the Living Spirit is what we’re Born Again of, the moment of that Living Spirit birth, our faith starts to grow in Christ....it will grow and mature, but, in order for our faith to grow, we will face many trials and tribulations along the way...remember we walk a very narrow path and can only look to the Spirit to keep us on that path.
The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God...

Of course the “ natural man” wouldn’t have a clue what I am talking about here.

The point was that a lot of professed christians claim that the 5 points of Calvinism is heresy, many say that those woho believe the 5 oints are not really saved.

Those that are opposed to the 5 points claim to understand the doctrines, in reality they really are clueless.

This thread shows that they are clueless on the doctrines of grace.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Here is the issue.

The Cult of Mary, creates theology, that becomes what Catholics are taught to believe....next.

Their Pope just legalized Gay Priests....and soon enough a lot of Catholics will lock step and agree.

The problem here is one core issue, and that is........so much of Mary Cult Theology , is not found in any bible.

Take......>"the ascension of Mary". or "" RELICS"...... but for now we'll just land on Mary flying to heaven in her dead body....Reader.

Not one bible on God's green globe has a sentence in it that even suggests that Mary ascended to Heaven as a dead body after she DIED , as this Cult teaches......, NOR> is there any apostle who knew about it, according to ALL BIBLES.

Yet, the CCult, teaches this FANTASY..... as if its on every page of a NT, when its NOWHERE in any BIBLE.

And the cult of Mary members, are taught to believe "..'well, the bible is not really finished, its just the basic theology, and the CCult, and our Church Fathers are always in the process of adding to it, for 1600 yrs.... as they decide to do, and we are taught to BELIEVE IT"..

Every time I read one of your anti-Catholic idiocies – it’s difficult to know just where to begin because I have to wade through all of the lies . . .

Let’s start with the fact that the “issue” was for YOU to offer a Biblical refutation for Purgatory – and you failed, as usual. Instead – you blather on with the usual ignorant ad hominem.

Spewing mind-numbingly stupid lies like, “Their Pope just legalized Gay Priests” only serves to illustrate your hatred for the truth.

Another is your whopper about the “Ascension” of Mary. – which has NEVER been a teaching of the Catholic Church. Only Jesus ascended.

You whine about not finding things in the Bible – and then, you top it off with the self-refuting and a non-Biblical doctrine of Sola Scriptura. The word, “hypocrite” comes to mind . . .

You know – God kinda frowns on liars (Exod. 20:16). He says that you will have NO part in His Kingdom (Rev. 21:8).
Good luck with that . . .

So, a Catholic says......>"well of course"..........and that is the problem, and they are brain washed, and cult fed, to only be able to see it in that closed minded lights off, cult mentality.

Thats a fact that will never change.

No – the Catholic says. “Yes, Lord – I believe what your sacred Word dictates.”
And HIS sacred Word dictates that His Church is His mouthpiece on earth – with complete Authority.

Matt 16:16-19, Matt. 18:15-18,
I will give YOU the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

John 16:12-15
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

And that is a fact that will never change . . .


PS - Let me know when you're prepared to offer a Biblical refutation of Purgatory.
I suggest ou do soe homework . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

What do I know about scripture Bread?
Nothing.

They're NOT STUDENTS Bread....no PhD after my name.
You just are not good at listening. Or maybe you listen but you can't HEAR.

Sooooo – your Catechism students AREN’T students??

I wouldn't talk about priests I don't know.
You think you know everything and are sitting in the seat of Moses.
But you're not Bread.
You're one big nobody for the Catholic Church...
Know why?
BECAUSE YOU DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY.

Those who are driven away by the truth need to examines themselves to figure out why . . .

Huh?
Yes. This is why I don't take you seriously and do not like posting to you in a serious manner.

Ummmm, it was YOU who approached me to begin with – not the other way around.

And it’s YOU who keeps pushing the “brick-and-mortar” nonsense. Hypocrisy is not a good look for you .

Oh. This is just too much.
Make a trip to Europe Bread.
CHRISTIANITY in general is DWINDLING in WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

Maybe you haven't noticed?

I didn’t give you a European statistic – it was a worldwide statistic.

Unfortunately – YOU believe the word begins and ends with Europe. It doesn’t.

Personally, I like
James 3:1 and I live by it.
1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.

You sure do bring out the worst in people.
Not a very Christianly thing to do.

If I bring out the worst in you - it's because you’re no different than anybody else who hates being exposed.

And it’s great that you like James3:1 – but you’re supposed to live by ALL of God’s Word – not just the verses you cherry-pick.
I fear the following passage pertains to you:

2 Tim. 4:3-4
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths

 

[Ritajanice]

The point was that a lot of professed christians claim that the 5 points of Calvinism is heresy, many say that those woho believe the 5 oints are not really saved.

Those that are opposed to the 5 points claim to understand the doctrines, in reality they really are clueless.

This thread shows that they are clueless on the doctrines of grace.

Ah right, ok @ElectedbyHim ..

 

[GodsGrace]

Sooooo – your Catechism students AREN’T students??

I NEVER would call my kids STUDENTS.

You just don't read right.

Those who are driven away by the truth need to examines themselves to figure out why . . .

Ummmm, it was YOU who approached me to begin with – not the other way around.

And it’s YOU who keeps pushing the “brick-and-mortar” nonsense. Hypocrisy is not a good look for you .

I didn’t give you a European statistic – it was a worldwide statistic.

Unfortunately – YOU believe the word begins and ends with Europe. It doesn’t.

If I bring out the worst in you - it's because you’re no different than anybody else who hates being exposed.

And it’s great that you like James3:1 – but you’re supposed to live by ALL of God’s Word – not just the verses you cherry-pick.
I fear the following passage pertains to you:

2 Tim. 4:3-4
For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths

You don't care that the churches in EUROPE are EMPTY??
I thought the job of the church was to save souls !!

 

[BreadOfLife]

I NEVER would call my kids STUDENTS.

You just don't read right.

And I would never call students, “my kids”.
They'’re not YOUR kids – they’re someone else’s . . .

YOU stated that you taught Catechism for 7 years, “off and on”. You also said that “they fear purgatory more than hell”.
Since YOU reject the idea of Purgatory, I can deduce that you’re NOT talking about your own children.

You don't care that the churches in EUROPE are EMPTY??
I thought the job of the church was to save souls !!

I never said that I didn’t care.
I said that the European Church doesn’t represent the worldwide Church.

Why is it that you can never post without at least 1 lie?

Rev. 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

 

[GodsGrace]

And I would never call students, “my kids”.
They'’re not YOUR kids – they’re someone else’s . . .

They're my kids because I teach them about God and our faith.
I do my best to make them learn to love Jesus and to live for Him.
They're my kids because they hug me and listen to me and learn something
very important.

If YOU taught 15 to 20 kids every year your love for Jesus...
you'd feel like you have something in common with them too...
you'd consider them "your kids".

YOU stated that you taught Catechism for 7 years, “off and on”. You also said that “they fear purgatory more than hell”.
Since YOU reject the idea of Purgatory, I can deduce that you’re NOT talking about your own children.

My own children don't believe in purgatory because it's not found in the bible.

I never said that I didn’t care.
I said that the European Church doesn’t represent the worldwide Church.

Why is it that you can never post without at least 1 lie?

I just love to lie!!!

Rev. 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Thanks Bread.
As usual...you're such a loving Christian....
oops, I mean Catholic.

 

[BreadOfLife]

They're my kids because I teach them about God and our faith.
I do my best to make them learn to love Jesus and to live for Him.
They're my kids because they hug me and listen to me and learn something
very important.

No – they are someone else’s kids.
If you are a catechist – then you are their Teacher – not their parent.

If YOU taught 15 to 20 kids every year your love for Jesus...
you'd feel like you have something in common with them too...
you'd consider them "your kids".

No - I’d be their teacher. I taught about 25 kids for several years.
I was their teacher – and they were my students. I wasn’t their father.

Unfortunately - YOU think of "teacher" as a dirty word. If you actually studied your Bible, you would know that teachers are very important in the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:27-31). And the punishments will be very harsh for those who teach falsehoods and lead people astray (Is. 9:16, Matt.18:6, James 3:1, 2 Pet. 2:1),

My own children don't believe in purgatory because it's not found in the bible.

I showed several times that the Bible DOES teach a Final Purification
YOU have failed repeatedly to offer a Biblical refutation . . .

I just love to lie!!!

I know – and that’s unfortunate . . .

Thanks Bread.
As usual...you're such a loving Christian....
oops, I mean Catholic.

Ahhh, yes - the old "Catholic OR Christian" blunder.
That’s about as illogical as saying, ”spaghetti OR pasta” . . .

Not only are Catholic Christians – we were the first Christians . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

No – they are someone else’s kids.
If you are a catechist – then you are their Teacher – not their parent.

No - I’d be their teacher. I taught about 25 kids for several years.
I was their teacher – and they were my students. I wasn’t their father.

Unfortunately - YOU think of "teacher" as a dirty word. If you actually studied your Bible, you would know that teachers are very important in the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:27-31). And the punishments will be very harsh for those who teach falsehoods and lead people astray (Is. 9:16, Matt.18:6, James 3:1, 2 Pet. 2:1),

I showed several times that the Bible DOES teach a Final Purification
YOU have failed repeatedly to offer a Biblical refutation . . .

I know – and that’s unfortunate . . .

Ahhh, yes - the old "Catholic OR Christian" blunder.
That’s about as illogical as saying, ”You'OR pasta” . . .

Not only are Catholic Christians – we were the first Christians . . .

You're too much Bread.
Good night.

 

[KUWN]

Ever wonder why God condemned mankind in Adam?

Note this in Rom 11.32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Many self-professed Christians say that the Reformed/Calvinist teachings are heretical.

They are as they do not accept all the Lord says in His Word and they engage in eisegesis by inserting their own thoughts and definitions to make God's Word appear to say things the Lord does not actually say in His Word.

I have yet to se a solid argument against any of the points of TULIP.

Here ya go:

Refuting The False TULIP Doctrine

It is impossible to be consistent when one holds doctrinal error. A long time ago men started believing that the human soul was corrupt at birth. As a result of this false belief, these men had to develop a whole system of theology in order to attempt to be consistent. In order to make this system of beliefs easier to remember, they called it “TULIP”. Each letter of this word stands for one of their doctrines. It would be beneficial for us to know of these doctrines because they are highly prominent in the religious world around us. The following are the basic teachings of “TULIP”:

Total Hereditary Depravity

“T” stands for Total Hereditary Depravity. This is the core belief of the TULIP doctrine. As a result of this belief all of the other doctrines are created. Put simply, this is the belief that the human soul is born corrupt. As soon as a baby is born, according to this doctrine, it is in sin and in need of a redeemer. In an attempt to support this doctrine they go to Psalm 51:5 and Psalm 58:3 among others. However, notice that in Psalm 51:5, David is not saying that he was born a sinner but rather that he was born into a sinful world. What if the verse read this way, “Behold I was shaped in a potato patch and in a field of spuds did my mother conceive me?” Would this mean that David was born a potato? No, it simply means that he was born in the presence of potatoes. Also, notice that in Psalm 58:3 it says that one goes astray from the mother’s womb. One is not born astray but has to go astray. That verse proves that we are born sinless not sinful!

There are many arguments that show positively that the human soul is not sinful at birth but only when it commits sin. First of all, notice that God gives man his soul (Ecclesiastes 12:7; Zechariah 12:1). Can or would God give a man an evil soul? This would contradict James 1:17 which says that every good and perfect gift comes from God. God does not bring forth evil (Matthew 7:18). Furthermore, why would Jesus have said that the one had to become like a little child to enter into the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18:1-3). Was he saying that one has to become sinful and depraved in order to go to heaven? Of course not!

Unconditional Election

As a result of the belief that man is born in a sinful state, another false teaching called Unconditional Election arose. This is our “U” in the TULIP doctrine. They believe that since man is born in such a sinful state, there is nothing that an individual can do in order to be saved. They say that salvation is solely the work of God, not man. After all, we are saved by grace and not works (Romans 3:24). Furthermore, they say that God chooses those who will be saved and those who will be lost.

To answer this doctrine, we have to remember that God’s Word is never going to contradict itself. Having said that; there are to many places that show that man must play a part in his salvation. Peter preached on Pentecost that those present must “save themselves” (Acts 2:40). Further, the Lord said that only those who “do” the will of the Father will see the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 7:21). The Bible teaches that we are going to be judged by our “works” on the last day (2 Corinthians 5:10; John 12:48; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14). If this Unconditional Election were true, there would not need to be a judgment, for God has already decided. Finally, this doctrine makes God unjust because he would be condemning some having never given them a chance to serve him, even if they desired to do so.

Limited Atonement

Unconditional Election eventually led to the doctrine of Limited Atonement. This is our “L” in the TULIP doctrine. This is simply the belief that Christ only died for those select few whom God had chosen. Thus the atonement for sins given by his death was “limited”. This doctrine is easily proven false. First, the Bible says that Christ died for the ungodly (Romans 5:6). Limited Atonement says that He only died for the godly. John 3:16 tells us that God so loved the “world”. God did not only love a select few but all men (1 Timothy 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9).

Irresistible Grace

“I” stands for the next doctrine to spring up called Irresistible Grace. This is the belief that the elect (those chosen by God) are going to be saved whether they desire to be or not. This would mean that a man could hate God; even worship Satan, and still be allowed to enter into heaven. Joshua told us that we have the ability to choose whom we will serve (Joshua 24:15). Peter told those on Pentecost to save themselves (Acts 2:40).

Perseverance Of The Saints

Finally, we come to the “P” which is Perseverance of the Saints. We often hear this doctrine called, “Once saved, always saved”. The Scriptures teach that man has the ability to choose whom he will serve and that his eternal soul will be judged on that choice. No one who believes in “Once saved, always saved” would deny that Paul was one of the “elect”. Yet when we read 1 Corinthians 9:27 we find that he constantly “worked” to stay in that saved condition. We can also look to Simon the Sorcerer (Acts 8) as one who was saved and then lost. Judas was another. He was given the ability to do miracles like the rest of the disciples (Matthew 10:1). No one can deny that he was saved. Yet we know that he fell away. It will be our actions that will be judged on the judgment day hence, we decide whether we will go to heaven or hell by those actions (2 Corinthians 5:10).

Calvinism Refuted

Brethren, as believers in God’s inspired Word (2 Timothy 3:16), we need to consistently “refute” the false teaching of “TULIP” (Ephesians 4:14; Colossians 2:4,8; Hebrews 13:9; 1 John 4:1; 2 John 1:9-10).

 

[Scott Downey]

Ever wonder why God condemned mankind in Adam?

Note this in Rom 11.32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

The main point is that God must be the one to begin the relationship, not man.
A man cannot come to God unless God shows to that man His mercy.
Not that God shows mercy to all, just that to all peoples, God may decide to show His mercy individually and save some of them.

Romans 9
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

The people God saves are the people God showed mercy to, which is why they believed in Christ.
As it says from the same lump, tells us nothing about us was special, just that God loved us first, and not loved the others.

1 John 4:19
We love Him because He first loved us.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,

If God had not first loved us, we would not have loved Him.

 

[Scott Downey]

2 Thessalonians 2:16
Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace,

1 John 4:10
In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Malachi 1:2
1 The [a]burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.

2 “I have loved you,” says the Lord.
“Yet you say, ‘In what way have You loved us?’
Was not Esau Jacob’s brother?”
Says the Lord.
“Yet Jacob I have loved;
3 But Esau I have hated,
And laid waste his mountains and his heritage
For the jackals of the wilderness.”

Romans 8:37
Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.

Ephesians 2:4
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The main point is that God must be the one to begin the relationship, not man.
A man cannot come to God unless God shows to that man His mercy.
Not that God shows mercy to all, just that to all peoples, God may decide to show His mercy individually and save some of them.

Romans 9
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

The people God saves are the people God showed mercy to, which is why they believed in Christ.
As it says from the same lump, tells us nothing about us was special, just that God loved us first, and not loved the others.

1 John 4:19
We love Him because He first loved us.

Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,

If God had not first loved us, we would not have loved Him.

see. but this is missing it also

God shows mercy to all.. Its jut that all will not accept it..

He showed mercy to Israel when he came. even prayed for them, and cried for them./ But they were not willing

 

[KUWN]

The main point is that God must be the one to begin the relationship, not man.
A man cannot come to God unless God shows to that man His mercy.
Not that God shows mercy to all, just that to all peoples, God may decide to show His mercy individually and save some of them.

I am about as far away for the Reformed view that one can go. Please remember, God created all of us to seek him. This is part of his grace and mercy.

 

[Scott Downey]

I am about as far away for the Reformed view that one can go. Please remember, God created all of us to seek him. This is part of his grace and mercy.

I don't have a problem with people seeking God, thing is scripture says no one seeks for God, they all have turned away and become unprofitable.
Because of that, God seeks the lost sheep which He foreknows as His people and then they find God who did not seek or ask for Him.
They are the ones that get saved.

Romans 10:20
But Isaiah is very bold and says: “I was found by those who did not seek Me; I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”

That is the reality of the way things are.
Reformed thinking has a good grip on these things