St John of the Cross

[MostlyConfused]

How odd of you, I did not lie, it was bad research, besides "Jesus" and "Christ" not checking for the word "Saviour", used only 7 times BTW, nevertheless my apologies.

The book is a dangerous teaching, opening yourself to all kind of mystic thoughts, feelings and experiences that easily can be deceptive. How do you know what your mind is telling you, is it God, your own, the devil? We are told to capture every thought to obey Christ [2Cor 10:5], so who is speaking? Can the devil break in into your thoughts? Sure he can : And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. [1Chr 21:1] Issue, David's pride. With devastating consequences.

I prefer sane and clear Scripture.

On the subject here is a story that happened to me a couple of years ago. It was my birthday and I was making coffee in the kitchen when suddenly out of the blue a loud thought came to me -- this is your last birthday -- Ouch.. I was flabbergasted. To be clear I never had such an experience before. Where did this loud thought come from, one of these random thoughts everybody has, was in the Lord who was speaking (with Scriptural reference to King Hizkia and Peter), I did not know. At the time I ruled out the devil.

I decided to take it seriously, the experience was unique although I certainly did not rule out a random thought of own brain that took me by surprise. And so (how do you say that correctly) I prepared myself to meet my Maker any day. I did not told my wife or anyone, she would ask me 10 times a day how I feel, that would be cruel. I had to deal with this alone. Days past, weeks past, months past, all the way to 2 hours till my next birthday, still alive. And so I wrote an email to my wife (she slept already) telling her the whole story, just in case. I went to bed about 2 AM expecting maybe to die in my sleep before 7:30 AM, the time of my birth.

I woke up and thus the loud thought was a LIE, not of God.

Later I learned about David's experience, provoked by the devil, which became an eye opener, the devil the liar, the father of lies [John 8:44], he told me the lie.

Be careful out there, trust the Scriptures, not teachings of men, that book is full of it, tempting Christians with a need (or shall I say) vulnerable for mysticism.

Almost the entire book, Dark Night, deals with not paying attention to, or desiring to have, things like your experience, going into great detail about all the ways you can be deceived, whether through visions, locutions, dreams, feelings, etc.
Its literally what the book is about. Literally.
He had seen many people deceived by them and explains, even to the point of overkill, how not to be deceived.

 

[ProDeo]

I don’t know if you are intentionally lying, my guess is no,

I will answer you below question in your second post, but first things first. You called me a liar. I am a Christian and don't lie. Next you wondered (actually accused) me of lying intentionally. That's impossible for any born again.

What is it with you holiness people (@Hepzibah excluded), from your so called higher walk you look down on those you have branded as walking in a so called lower walk, both are not in Scripture. To use a metaphor, you people behave like Nietzsche's Übermensch, exalted yourself, feeling superior, teaching things as truth which are not always truth.

Okay, call it bad or manipulative research that you repeated, that’s perfectly fine.
So what is the acceptable amount of times to say His name, whether Savior, Christ, or the Beloved? Would it be okay if he said it 8 times? 10 times? Where’s the cutoff that you find acceptable?